Yeah, I was trying to find the right player but I'd either have someone like Rooney who was a bit better or someone like Milner who was a bit worse. I guess my point was that he will be remembered less outside of his league/country than he will within them.
How will Antoine Griezmann be remembered?
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Yeah, I was trying to find the right player but I'd either have someone like Rooney who was a bit better or someone like Milner who was a bit worse. I guess my point was that he will be remembered less outside of his league/country than he will within them.
You can be one of the best teams without winning much, Netherlands in the 70s are an example. And when you are in a league against the likes of peak Barcelona and Real Madrid, your chances for silverware are limited but it doesn't mean that you aren't one of the best team. Atletico have mainly been the third, fourth best team in the world in the last 10 years with Bayern and Juventus as their main competition.
Top goal scorer in a World Cup winning team. MOTM in a World Cup final. Top scorer in a Euro, scoring twice as many goals as any other player.
He was the third best player at some point as well. I think people are overly harsh here, he was a great player at Atletico, one of the best 10 in the world for years. Central for France as well for 2 major tournaments.
This is how I have felt about him at different stages of his career
- Promising young player at Sociedad who United should sign
- Fantastic young player initially at Atletico who I wondered why United didn't sign
- Player with decent stats at Atletico who never really looks outstanding but nonetheless always has a penalty to score
- Player with extremely annoying hairstyles and celebrations
- Player with cringeworthy video of deciding to stay at Atletico
- Even more cringeworthy news of signing for Barca a year later
- Part of a great French team where again he doesn't look outstanding despite decent stats in major competitions
- Predictably not doing well for Barca as he never really did it for me in an eye test
- And finally, player who's best position isn't very clear
I don't think people outside UK/Europe actually realize how big of a global star Rooney was in his heyday. As an Indian, I can tell you the level of popularity he had here, and in South East Asia is unlike anything Griezmann could ever hope to have. I remember arguing here with someone a couple of years back, who was saying Zlatan and Pogba were/are more popular than Rooney worldwide. Not a chance!!
Rooney was comfortably in the tier of Ronaldinho and Kaka when it comes to global popularity at his peak, which is only bettered by the popularity of the truly transcendental stars like Ronaldo, Messi, Beckham, Brazilian Ronaldo and so.
He will be quickly forgotten but should be proud of his career. Superb CV.
Dynamic and versatile forward with good stats.
Dynamic and versatile forward with good stats.
I started hating him when he started doing this stupid celebration.
As a great player of his era who made the wrong move.
He's a bit like James Rodriguez.
I'm sure he'll have a few documentaries on hbo
He’d be a very edgy pick for a RedCafe “draft” (speaking of which, I’ve not seen one for a while).
Those are some great players you mentioned there. Antoine Griezmann has played the central part in taking teams to the CL final, EC final and WC victory. I think none of those four reached that level.
I think this thread is marred by a greater interest in celebrity issues (how is he known, is he likeable, will he be remembered, can we call him One Of The Greats etc), rather than footballing issues.
Footballing wise, he is one of quite a few splendid players who has struggled to play to his potential at Barca around Messi (not blaming Messi for that btw), and that team is reserved for players who fit in well with Messi.
one thing I’ll give the celeb hunters: He’s anot a player who’ll be able to look like a good player when is actually not functioning well in his teams, like Neymar or Zlatan might.
The thing with Griezmann is that he has never produced any outstanding moment to be forever associated with.
In France we will remember his huge contribution to the national team. But even during the 2018 WC all I remember from him are penalty kicks and a soft goal the Uruguyan keeper let in.
Yet I know he was the heart-beat of the attack linking the middlefield with Mbappe and Giroud.
It's a shame his attacking talent was kind of stiffled by Atletico and he so far he has played second fiddle to Messi at Barcelona.
In France we will remember his huge contribution to the national team. But even during the 2018 WC all I remember from him are penalty kicks and a soft goal the Uruguyan keeper let in.
Yet I know he was the heart-beat of the attack linking the middlefield with Mbappe and Giroud.
It's a shame his attacking talent was kind of stiffled by Atletico and he so far he has played second fiddle to Messi at Barcelona.
On his day he can quality but he should have never been in the conversations he’s been in. One of the more overrated players of the last decade for me.
I'll remember him as a very, very good player, who was world class during his time at Atletico, but not a generational talent.
Moving to Barcelona was the worst decision of his career. Just imagine if he moved to Juve / Bayern / England and continued shining there.
Moving to Barcelona was the worst decision of his career. Just imagine if he moved to Juve / Bayern / England and continued shining there.
I can understand the cringe and the reason why people didn't like him for this, but in truth, when he was this happy and jovial, is when he was at his best. Now he is all serious and stuff at Barca, and its stripped the life out of him, granted its much more than a celebration, but you can see that he is so unhappy with how things have turn out for him.
For not doing enough to help France win the Euro 2016 final when I backed the double of France win/Griezmann top scorer
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For not scoring enough goals in the 2018 World Cup when I backed the double of France win/Griezmann top scorer
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For not scoring enough goals in the 2018 World Cup when I backed the double of France win/Griezmann top scorer
Getting paid massive amounts for being a square peg in a round hole thus far.
His ridiculous ‘decision’ thing that he did.
In general being a massive cringe monster.
His ridiculous ‘decision’ thing that he did.
In general being a massive cringe monster.
Great player who could have gotten more exposure if he was playing for a tier 1 team in his prime. Insufferable twat off the field.
This reminds me of that line from The Sandlot kids, “Heroes get remembered but Legends never die”. Griezman is neither and I honestly have a hard time remembering he exists now. So in 10 years I’m not holding out much hope.
That time he blacked up. Prat.
No, he will be viewed as a total liability who never won the Champions League or the Ballon d'Or in these drafts
In the modern era, only Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are regularly picked.
Even players like Thierry Henry and Xavi are not so popular.
I barely remember him now, never mind in 20 years time.
Such a headline, I thought he had died..
Why should the opinion of an idiotic casual fan matter?
His decline is startling in my view, similar to Sanchez for us - AG is paid more as far as i'm aware too, if so, i'd say Barca have had a worse deal than ourselves with Alexis...
We are talking about how people will remember a player. And people include all sorts, "casual idiotic fans" as well as hardcore hipster fans.
1. Telephone celebration (? whatever that is).
2. Money-grubbing failure.
That's it.
2. Money-grubbing failure.
That's it.
Yeap.
He is easily forgettable.
He will be remembered for being that annoying fool that did stupid Fortnite dances when celebrating and got carried away with all that La Decision shit.
Not at all bitter he chose to stay with Atletico when they had the transfer ban, not at all.
Not at all bitter he chose to stay with Atletico when they had the transfer ban, not at all.
I disagree,he was a fine player and still talked about.
This.
I used to regard him highly, then he did that documentary nonsense and either started believing his own hype or his ego went to his head.
Now you’d be forgiven for completely forgetting he existed if you were putting together a best 11 from current players.
Wasted potential, self-centred prat who should've joined us after the infamous 6/10 interview.
What are you disagreeing with? They are all fine players that are still talked about, my point is that Griezmann will be in that category of players that we only talk about when we make an effort and even then they aren't the first names.
The United mega transfer kiss of death and this time we didn’t even have to sign him to see his form nosedive! We absolutely dodged a bullet and hopefully we’ve finally learned that we should avoid signing these supposedly peak players. According to reports he’s on 800k a week at Barcelona. That’s Sanchez x 2 and even if he was to ever hit top form again which he won’t those figures are absolutely terrible.
He sort of has. Thoughts and prayers.
Exactly. He won’t.
He'll be remembered as a son, a brother, a father and a friend.
Rest in peace
Rest in peace
Made a massive mistake not joining us.