How to get rid of Glazers? (Serious discussion).

Rood said:
Bit silly how one throw away comment in the heat of the moment gets repeated years and years later

SAF did what he thought was best for the club, the reality is that he couldn't have stopped the Glazers buying the club
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The comment was taken out of the context too.

And the truth is SAF enjoyed working for the Glazers. He felt he was underpaid and undervalued by the previous ownership, the Glazers rewarded him and allowed the gaffer and Gill to run the club with not much interference. He's never going to speak out about them.
 
I still think the club will be sold. I just don't see how the Glazers could continue even with outside investment. I'm just hoping it's all over with by the end of the season.
 
Moiraine said:
I think fans can do everything and carry real voice, if used properly.
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I wished this was true but just can’t see it. United is the Glazer private company, they are the owners. If tens of thousands of fans staged a sit in at Old Trafford then the government would send in the police and arrest everyone. Fans have no actual power at the club, they are simply consumers.

The best people can hope for is United supporters in Britain pushing forward policy that forces fan ownership over the club by the state. But even that is extremely unlikely for all sorts of reasons.

It’s a pretty depressing situation but the reality is
protests and not buying the latest shirt is meaningless.

Waynne said:
Wrong.
If people stopped buying merch and season tickets, it hurts the Glazers and sends a strong message.
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Consumer activism doesn’t work with a global brand like United.
 
Sweet Square said:
I wished this was true but just can’t see it. United is the Glazer private company, they are the owners. If tens of thousands of fans staged a sit in at Old Trafford then the government would send in the police and arrest everyone. Fans have no actual power at the club, they are simply consumers.

The best people can hope for is United supporters in Britain pushing forward policy that forces fan ownership over the club by the state. But even that is extremely unlikely for all sorts of reasons.

It’s a pretty depressing situation but the reality is
protests and not buying the latest shirt is meaningless.


Consumer activism doesn’t work with a global brand like United.
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I do kind of agree with this. I would maintain that a huge campaign to boycott Season Tickets is the best method of legal protest. It would put huge pressure on the Glazers.

However, for me, the big issue is that the alternatives to the Glazers aren't particularly great. Its hard to get people in a kind of militant protest mindset when the other option is either Qatar or Jim Ratcliffe.
 
Just show them a match at Etihad and tell them it is our home game and deal will be done in lightning speed
 
Within the law it's very difficult. That's how it's been and, at best, they'll get the megastore shut 15 minutes early on a matchday. It doesn't really make any difference

Glazers will only listen if it makes a serious difference to their pocket

Otherwise it's getting thousands upon thousands out to Florida to protest on their doorsteps. Anyone funding that?
 
Never going to happen when we have a significant chunk of the fan base who prefer the Glazers staying to one of the few realistic options that would rid us of them.
 
Waynne said:
Wrong.
If people stopped buying merch and season tickets, it hurts the Glazers and sends a strong message.Unforunately not everyone is on the same wavelength regarding these leeches. Some want to burn them at the stake while others really don't care and just want to support the team regardless if it was run by Adolf Hitler.


Unforunately this.
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Yep, sadly it's true. Same reason we've still got the tories.
 
Sweet Square said:
I wished this was true but just can’t see it. United is the Glazer private company, they are the owners. If tens of thousands of fans staged a sit in at Old Trafford then the government would send in the police and arrest everyone. Fans have no actual power at the club, they are simply consumers.

The best people can hope for is United supporters in Britain pushing forward policy that forces fan ownership over the club by the state. But even that is extremely unlikely for all sorts of reasons.

It’s a pretty depressing situation but the reality is
protests and not buying the latest shirt is meaningless.


Consumer activism doesn’t work with a global brand like United.
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If all uk based fans boycotted the club whilst they are there that would make a huge difference, I don't know why the fans can't show some self discipline for just 1 season for long term gain
 
We need to get ugly. Banners of ‘Glazers Out’ is pretty tame. Get a banner of a Glazers head on a stake, or burn a Glazer effigy. We need to scare the feck out of them. Get quite sick to be honest.
 
Cloud7 said:
Never going to happen when we have a significant chunk of the fan base who prefer the Glazers staying to one of the few realistic options that would rid us of them.
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I don't think that many (if any) fans want them to stay.

As I said on another post, the issue is that the alternatives are all far from perfect and that's a problem when trying to convince people to get involved in a more militant style of protest.

We also have a lack of decent leader amongst the support. Going back over the years, we've had people like JP O'Neil and others like Andy Walsh/Adam Brown/Ian Stirling who were all willing to take ownership of this protest movement. I don't see anyone like that anymore. That 1958 lot are a bit meh.

Even then, fans have proven time and time again that they are only willing to go so far. Red Issue and IMUSA (I think) tried to call for a boycott of a meaningless end of season match against West Brom in 2005 and hardly anyone bothered. So much so that they had to completely call the plans off and all that happened was a protest outside.
 
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It's very simple.

Anyone with the required financial muscle to help the Glazers maintain control will have a London office.

Carlyle Group have a London office and there should be huge protests organised outside their office and anyone else's office who is considering helping the Glazers.

But I think the battle to wrestle control away from the Glazers ended a long time ago, the fan base doesn't have the will to fight anymore.
 
MancunianAngels said:
I don't think that many (if any) fans want them to stay.

As I said on another post, the issue is that the alternatives are all far from perfect and that's a problem when trying to convince people to get involved in a more militant style of protest.

We also have a lack of decent leader amongst the support. Going back over the years, we've had people like JP O'Neil and others like Andy Walsh/Adam Brown/Ian Stirling who were all willing to take ownership of this protest movement. I don't see anyone like that anymore. That 1958 lot are a bit meh.

Even then, fans have proven time and time again that they are only willing to go so far. Red Issue and IMUSA (I think) tried to call for a boycott of a meaningless end of season match against West Brom in 2005 and hardly anyone bothered. So much so that they had to completely call the plans off and all that happened was a protest outside.
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This I agree with. The two main candidates, being JR and Qatar, both have their own potential flaws, however in my opinion both of them are by far better options than the Glazers, regardless of those flaws. However I saw more than a few players in the takeover thread implying they would prefer the Glazers staying to Qatar, which if you extrapolate that to the larger fan base probably represents a chunk of people. As long as their remain people that think the Glazers staying isn’t the worst possible option then nothing will really go anywhere.
 
Get multiple games postponed like Liverpool so we are forced to play our games behind closed doors.

It's the only somewhat realistic thing that would affect the club enough to be a problem
 
laughtersassassin said:
Get multiple games postponed like Liverpool so we are forced to play our games behind closed doors.

It's the only somewhat realistic thing that would affect the club enough to be a problem
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It’s need to happen over consecutive games but the problem is after the abandoned game the club will increase security and police presence at the ground making it impossible to repeat.

It really needs something like what JustStopOil are doing when it comes to causing disruption to the point where the FA are forced to step in and make the team play behind closed doors, the financial hit will be close to Covid times.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Get multiple games postponed like Liverpool so we are forced to play our games behind closed doors.

It's the only somewhat realistic thing that would affect the club enough to be a problem
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Easier said than done. Who's willing to get themselves arrested? Who's willing to get a banning order? That's what you're asking people to do when you say "get multiple games postponed".

As I've said earlier up, the support lacks a leader to try and organise anything that will have an impact.
 
Might be ridiculous, but the thought of protesting at the US ambassady has crossed my mind.

It would get a lot of attention in the US and definitely embarrass the Glazers. Perhaps…
 
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MancunianAngels said:
Easier said than done. Who's willing to get themselves arrested? Who's willing to get a banning order? That's what you're asking people to do when you say "get multiple games postponed".

As I've said earlier up, the support lacks a leader to try and organise anything that will have an impact.
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Hence why I said it's the only somewhat realistic thing.

Could also do things that disrupt matches.

Like throw a thousand tennis balls on the pitch all at once etc etc
 
A few general thoughts:

1. Everyone are vulnerable to protests, in particular the Glazers. The problem is that mostly protests at and around OT haven’t impacted them.

2. Any kind of concerted protest from a vast MUFC fan base could have a major impact — if it targets something that can be impacted.

3. Protests does not have to be direct. It is — much — better to make an indirect protest that only partly regards the subject you protest against but that is impactful. Like if China has an issue with Sweden, they attack H&M and Ericsson, not the King or country per se. Your friends problems become your problem. Etc.

The Glazers are seen as leeches in the UK but they are pretty anonymous in the USA. I Googled “Glazers” for news the last 24h a lot during the early period of the sale process and they are fairly active, pop up at fundraisers and they do a lot of small time business.

I think that they would be very concerned if their reputation in the US/Florida even remotely was as tarnished as it is in the UK. If Utd fans created a big problem for someone in the US — it becomes a big problem for the Glazers. But to make an impact — it must be well organized.

4. I wouldn’t say disrupting games are useless — but I think hitting the Glazers on their home field is the way to go.
 
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Being realistic there's nothing we can actually do. Unless the whole fan base turns their back against the club meaning seriously damaging the commercial side of the club to smoke them out which is not realistic. They're parasites they dont care about the club, the history, weather if they're liked or not its cold business for them.

The way to get rid of them is praying someone buys the club, its the only way.
 
Donate a few billion quid to MUST, or ensure home games are regularly called off. Other than that? Not much
 
Messier1994 said:
A few general thoughts:

1. Everyone are vulnerable to protests, in particular the Glazers. The problem is that mostly protests at and around OT haven’t impacted them.

2. Any kind of concerted protest from a vast MUFC fan base could have a major impact — if it targets something that can be impacted.

3. Protests does not have to be direct. It is — much — better to make an indirect protest that only partly regards the subject you protest against but that is impactful. Like if China has an issue with Sweden, they attack H&M and Ericsson, not the King or country per se. Your friends problems become your problem. Etc.

The Glazers are seen as leeches in the UK but they are pretty anonymous in the USA. I Googled “Glazers” for news the last 24h a lot during the early period of the sale process and they are fairly active, pop up at fundraisers and they do a lot of small time business.

I think that they would be very concerned if their reputation in the US/Florida even remotely was as tarnished as it is in the UK. If Utd fans created a big problem for someone in the US — it becomes a big problem for the Glazers. But to make an impact — it must be well organized.

4. I wouldn’t say disrupting games are useless — but I think hitting the Glazers on their home field is the way to go.
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Do we actually know what specific businesses the Glazers own, asides from their sports clubs?

Or are they pretty much solely in the sports industry now?
 
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