Couldn't agree more.
How should the breakaway clubs be dealt with now?
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Playing in the EL after qualifying for the CL doesn't really help perceptions
. Anyone calling United a EL club though is surely on the wind up.I genuinely can't remember if we ever went past the CL group stage other than with Jose.
City and Spurs should be docked points. The rest i'm not fussed about.
I'm sure you remember Evra sticking one in the top bin versus Bayern.
We've featured in 2 quarter finals and a round of 16 since SAF left.
That is a good 8-9 years back, I think us being an EL team is not that far off the mark. It is embarrassing as well considering the great players we have had post LVG.
Well it is far off the mark because we've featured in 3 of the last 4 Champions Leagues and are about to make it 4 from 5.
So yeah, it's fecking miles off the mark. Unless of course you're an elite snob who thinks the league stages don't count, which is surely an attitude everyone here is fighting against after recent days?
So you don't remember Our Infamous exit at Hands of Sevilla and Mourinho's heritage Rant or famous smash and Grab against Psg these are our most recent exploits prior to this season.
He's decided to forget all that so that he can consider us a EL team despite us being in the last 3 of 4 CL, and soon 4 of 5.
Because... well, United fans and self-loathing.
I remember the PSG one, I genuinely don't remember the Sevilla campaign, did we play anyone good.
There you go getting snobby about Champions League worthy sides and placements again.
The fecks that turned a blind eye to the human suffering, posted below will decide the fate of the 'shameful 6'?. Hypocrites the lot of them and criminals to boot.
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Hey, but Neymar and Mbappe in the same side
And let's not forget, air conditioned stadia
Well one thing I have realised in past few days is some of the United Fans are Self loathing masochist with generous amount self righteousness thrown in for good measure, just look at all the seething rage and faux indignation about ESL debacle and coming up with absolute Bonker suggestions for Punishments where it's clear that despite what many deem to be reprehensible the Actions of these Club weren't in violation of any regulations.
Not anyone good particularly but remember it due to Mourinho's Heritage talk after we were dumped out
Oh yeah, I've heard many a United fan on here want to show how righteous he/she is by demanding a massive ban, or points deduction, or relegation. Bizarre bunch of fans we have.
Stranger still when absolutely no-one has profited from anything here, not financially and not on the pitch. In those situations, it is possible to actually sanction the people involved rather than the entire entity, that's what happens elsewhere in society, but the self loathers, some wanted United to have to start again from the bottom of the pile, a la Rangers
Are you even a UTD fan?
this
we even had the chance of eliminating Bayern under Moyes.
Yes, not a big chance but it felt like it when Evra scored that goal.
I find this argument clubs should be punished but not the players and the fans really strange. Throughout the history of football clubs and fans have been punished for the actions of owners and others. For example the fans and players were punished for profligate owners at Bury - the fans didn't bankrupt the club the owners did. Recently the FA threw a club out of the FA Vase, even thought the local FA admitted it was their fault that admin hadn't been done right, not the clubs - but the club (and players and fans) were punished. It's standard practice across football and has been for many, many years. Whether it's right or not is another issue, but it is the standard way football operates. I think we need to be careful we don't come across as demanding special treatment here.
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For intention of breakaway from existing football structure, which is essentially a breakaway from jurisdiction under rule of FIFA/UEFA/FA, hence complete destroy of existing structure of football competition, and devaluing the history and prestige of European football, against spirit of fair play with closed system, with only possible entry by invitation only, which is driven by money under their total manipulation, and adversely affects the economy and survival of hundreds of other smaller clubs.
The impact/damage from their actions to the football world could be far worse than any possible “illegal” thing they could have done.
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Guardian saying UEFA are considering imposing sanctions. If we get thrown out of the CL next season, what happens if Liverpool or Chelsea don’t make it? So they don’t get punished at all. I know some have suggested “next time they qualify they get banned” has that ever been a punishment before?
The difference here has been explained many many times, it is that clubs or companies are normally punished as an entity due to the entire entity profiting from whatever rules they broke (a la Juventus), or a CEO cheating the stock market and driving up stocks for the company.
An entire company isn’t punished for insider trading for example, just the individual.
First of all apparently a court has already said that no rule has been broken here and second of all which is most important, no club or team profited on or off the pitch.
I can bet you that won't happen. You only have to look at what UEFA said yesterday to know that.
I'm sure the majority of posters on here at the moment are thick given they can't see the difference.
I think it’s indicative of society these days.
just jumping on everything to criticise it, abs always looking at the worst case scenario - and often wanting it! The caf is notorious for it. Just look at the abuse our players get. Some people just hate everything.
Didn't United miss out on Europe entirely in year 2 (14/15)? Finishing in 7th place under Moyes the season before
Oh yeah, so in fact, even less of a EL team then.
2 EL seasons and soon 6 CL seasons.
I think dropping down to EL still has to count for something, so 2 (4) EL seasons
Why does it have to count for something?
Are you not a Champions League team if you’re in the Champions League?
Have United not been in three of the last four Champions Leagues?
Are you more of a Champions League team then if you finish bottom of your group every year?
Most likely they will be thrown out of EL, which is kinda uneven penalty. You can't put a contingency like that (next time they qualify), it will be thrown out of UEFA competitions not CL/EL per say.
It's not that important, I just thought it doesn't sound right to say 2 EL seasons, when United's had 4 seasons where they played in it.
If you look at the other way round, since Fergie left, United have been in the knockout stages of the EL 4 times, and 3 times in the knockout stages of the CL.
What's your point here?
Look at it whatever way you like, United have been in 5 CLs (soon 6) since Fergie left and soon will have been in 4 of the last 5.
Ergo, CL team. Unless of course you're another elite snob who thinks the CL groups don't count?
If United had finished bottom of the CL group every year it'd be 2 appearance in the EL and soon 6 in the CL. Would that suddenly make us "more of a CL team"?
Only twice have we "qualified for the EL" and therefore were a EL team.
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Hand over this seasons CL to PSG....
Agree with you on most part, everybody overreacts from time to time and we do make snap judgements due to emotions as well but after things calm down we should be able to act rationally and see things for what they are not allowing our biases and prejudices to colour our judgements.
No doubt what our Club tried to pull off was reprehensible but it wasn't in violations of any current regulations of Either PL or UEFA as far as what I have understood from information available publically on this Subject.
Just because some of the posters here have descended into frenzy and are demanding punishments just on moral grounds doesn't mean it's the way forward .
By all means punish these Clubs if they have breached some existing laws which I don't think they have but don't do it arbitrarily and excessively just because public sentiment demands so.
I never made that point to begin with, are you confusing me with someone else?
And yeah that is definitely a weird aspect of dropping down from the CL. I was simply pointing out that it's not entirely arbitrary to say that United have more prominently featured in the latter stages of the Europa League, even if they've had more CL seasons. I wasn't making an observation on whether or not that makes United a CL team.
Of course group stages count, but knockout stages are more memorable I suppose.
agree.
furthermore, clubs should be entitled to look at alternative options. They got it wrong, Emery man and his dog know that. But we are still in the position where the biggest clubs are essential for the lifeblood of the game, at least on the short/ med term.
This should open up a dialogue so that we can male this right, improve the CL etc - otherwise we will have something similar in the near future.
big punishments being handed out will do no one any good - and as you say, are we going to make up infractions to that we can punish clubs because they didn’t do what we wanted them to do?
How about a 1-2 year transfer ban for the clubs involved?
It would save money for the 12 and would make the CL and the 3 National Leagues more competitive.
It would save money for the 12 and would make the CL and the 3 National Leagues more competitive.