How many times will we need to get thrashed to realise Eriksen is not a CM?

:wenger: Even if it was defensively lacking, Kroos and Modric are two of the top 5 central midfielders of the past 20 years when it comes to ball retention. Our midfield lacks defensive and they treat the ball like a hot potato. It’s a double down.
:wenger: I don't see Eriksen and Casemiro treating the ball like a hot potato. The team needs time to gel.
 
By far Eriksen’s worst game for us and VDB is fecking awful as always, if ever there was a game that made Fernandes look great without him on the pitch then this is definitely it.
 
If it finishes that way I still won’t agree with your point, more that vdb shouldn’t be playing, Fred or McTominay should in a game like this and Lindelof is making Watkins look world class

In the position Eriksen is in and Eriksen ahead of them (while Bruno's absence).
 
By far Eriksen’s worst game for us and VDB is fecking awful as always, if ever there was a game that made Fernandes look great without him on the pitch then this is definitely it.

Brentford? City?
 
He looks gassed. Tends to happen when you overplay players or not tend to their recovery requirements.
 
In the position Eriksen is in and Eriksen ahead of them (while Bruno's absence).
In a 3. The mistake here was not keeping Eriksen where he’s been playing well but not having the energy of Fred to compensate for Bruno’s energy
 
I've been banging on about this for weeks now. He's a snail and he's weak too. We can cover for him sometimes because Bruno has the intensity of two players but today we had the false footballer playing instead of Bruno and we got overrun in midfield.
 
Not his fault that Martinez is slow as a wet week v Bailey.
That was on Lindelof storming out of position and not dealing with it. Had an acre of space to run into after Victor decided to let Watkins pull away. Should’ve just fouled him. Could’ve took away their momentum which just didn’t let off. Fact is we we’re just not at the races and the lack of rotation and having a useless attack costs us.
 
He's fine, just a bad game but the quality is still there. The game needed McT or Fred
 
Need a ball carrier, De Jong, Bellingham, even Tielemans on a free.
 
He was shite earlier in the season too. See Brentford when he was fresh
But if you're being objective, you can't just strike off all the games he was praised for in the exact same position when he was fresh.

I made numerous posts about his tank in his performance thread. It was entirely predictable that what was happening would lead to a serious drop off.

Once flagged, everything will drop a level or two.
 
In the position Eriksen is in and Eriksen ahead of them (while Bruno's absence).
It shouldn't be a direct replacement. Change to a 433 with Casemiro anchoring and both Fred and Eriksen having the freedom to float forward while also dropping back. It should suit the three of them (and the team as a whole) far more than trying to shoe-horn any of our midfield options into 4231 when Bruno isn't available.
 
It shouldn't be a direct replacement. Change to a 433 with Casemiro anchoring and both Fred and Eriksen having the freedom to float forward while also dropping back. It should suit the three of them (and the team as a whole) far more than trying to shoe-horn any of our midfield options into 4231 when Bruno isn't available.

ETH for whatever does not want to play the 4-3-3. He's avoided like the plague
 
ETH for whatever does not want to play the 4-3-3. He's avoided like the plague
Bruno doesn't really suit any other formation, so it's somewhat understandable that we focus on 4231 almost all of the time. However it's on ETH if he doesn't recognise that, when Bruno isn't playing, the rest of our midfielders fit better into a 433. It's not like it's a huge change that requires massive tactical adjustment between games.
 
He was shite earlier in the season too. See Brentford when he was fresh
He was playing as a holding midfielder against Brentford. Should we ignore all his brilliant performances in central midfield against the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc?
 
He was playing as a holding midfielder against Brentford. Should we ignore all his brilliant performances in central midfield against the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc?

He was good against Chelsea while playing against RLC and Jorginho. The minute Kovacic came on, he disappeared and they were walking through the midfield.

In almost every game with him in midfield, we have periods where we lose complete control of midfield because he doesn't offer anything off the ball.
 
I like Eriksen, but I always thought he'd be a valuable squad member rather than a nailed-on starter. We still need strengthening in the midfield, particularly as DVB looks nowhere near up to it.
 
I like Eriksen, but I always thought he'd be a valuable squad member rather than a nailed-on starter. We still need strengthening in the midfield, particularly as DVB looks nowhere near up to it.

Yeah, ideally, we'd have De Jong or an alternative similar-ish player in there with Eriksen filling in either there or at #10 as needed. Eriksen and Casemiro have been massive for us, and huge upgrades on what we had, but the midfield is still definitely not the finished article.
 
He was good against Chelsea while playing against RLC and Jorginho. The minute Kovacic came on, he disappeared and they were walking through the midfield.

In almost every game with him in midfield, we have periods where we lose complete control of midfield because he doesn't offer anything off the ball.

This. And the games against Arsenal and Liverpool, we were dominated in midfield by them. We were playing like minnows at home.
 
His purple patch lasted shorter than Matic's when he first arrived to us. He's a great dead ball specialist and a player for a slow paced league but hardly anything special and worth starting regularly for a top club like ours. Should have played instead of VDB as a "no10" and with Fred next to him, would have been a different game though.
 
It shouldn't be a direct replacement. Change to a 433 with Casemiro anchoring and both Fred and Eriksen having the freedom to float forward while also dropping back. It should suit the three of them (and the team as a whole) far more than trying to shoe-horn any of our midfield options into 4231 when Bruno isn't available.
Bruno doesn't really suit any other formation, so it's somewhat understandable that we focus on 4231 almost all of the time. However it's on ETH if he doesn't recognise that, when Bruno isn't playing, the rest of our midfielders fit better into a 433. It's not like it's a huge change that requires massive tactical adjustment between games.
Exactly this. We can easily field a team in 433 shape, and that's actually what our squad is fit for. Obviously this will be 4231 with Bruno as the most advanced midfielder/attacker, but without him I thought we will just go for the obvious 433 with Casemiro anchoring and Eriksen+1 as #8s. ETH has been pretty stubborn with Casemiro-Eriksen two man midfield.
 
He's not, but it's a balancing act. With him, we have better ball progression from deep. If he's not there, we have very little. If Fred plays well, he can do a good job. His main issue is consistency. I expect ETH to carry on playing him there this season. He will have to be upgraded on at some point.
 
Wondered when questions would be asked about Eriksen.

I remember speaking to a Spurs season ticket holder and he said Eriksen wasn't good enough to play for United, and this was when he was playing there under Poch. Let's just remember he's a good player and offers a lot in certain situations but there's a reason none of the big boys ever came knocking for him at Spurs. Players like Modric for example, get snapped up eventually.
 
This. And the games against Arsenal and Liverpool, we were dominated in midfield by them. We were playing like minnows at home.

At least against Liverpool, we were compact. In the Arsenal game, we had no midfield for 30 minutes till we scored the 2nd goal on the break and Fred came on right after.
 
So he is not a CM when we lose and I would assume that he is a CM when we win?

We lost a game due to mistakes, nothing more and nothing less. There is no grand conclusion to get from it outside of VDB is useless and Lindelof needs to engage his brain more often.
 
The knee jerkiest of all knee jerky threads
 
So he is not a CM when we lose and I would assume that he is a CM when we win?

We lost a game due to mistakes, nothing more and nothing less. There is no grand conclusion to get from it outside of VDB is useless and Lindelof needs to engage his brain more often.
The story of our fans. The truth is, they vastly overrated his start to the season. He was decent, but he wasn't pulling up trees. He was offering what we hoped he would offer in the midfield, despite not having elite energy or defensive nous. Casemiro is a better player than him and my hope was he would rotate with Fred consistently. However, it seems like ETH has lost faith in Fred due to how poor his ball retention has been. Eriksen isn't playing higher up the pitch, because in our current set up, he no longer can. He doesn't have the energy or the sharpness to do that anymore. People don't understand how much Bruno actually does for us in his current role. He moves into channels consistently providing options and looking for space when we have possession, he presses like a mad man to cover for Ronaldo, he has to consistently keep moving to avoid tackles as when he's more central he's playing with his back to goal, whilst also providing crosses, shots and key passes and providing himself as a runner. That's a lot of duties and he manages to do them to a decent degree every single game, hardly getting injured. Not saying his form didn't drop, but once Ronaldo joined our team, he's had to take on far more defensive responsibility than someone in his position should and that is something Eriksen would not be able to do in this game. Ronaldo hasn't been the only issue defensively. Sancho also presents a problem at time, particularly when he plays with Ronaldo. In those games, Bruno has to press for three people, as well as still be the sole folcrum of the attack. I'm not sure Eriksen can do that in 2022, which is no indictment. Scholes wouldn't having been able to do that in 2007 either.
 
So he is not a CM when we lose and I would assume that he is a CM when we win?

We lost a game due to mistakes, nothing more and nothing less. There is no grand conclusion to get from it outside of VDB is useless and Lindelof needs to engage his brain more often.

Correct.

There’s also a conclusion in there somewhere about the empty shell of a footballer that is Cristiano Ronaldo but that one’s so blindingly obvious it doesn’t need to be repeated every week.
 
Eriksen isn't playing higher up the pitch, because in our current set up, he no longer can. He doesn't have the energy or the sharpness to do that anymore.

Except in 2 weeks when he plays that exact position for Denmark in a 3 man midfield with Højbjerg and Delaney behind him…
 
DVB was clearly the weak link today. We needed Fred. We are also running Eriksen in to the ground because we don't have anyone else that can pass well in midfield.
 
Some game he is ok in CM, others against people that can run like today, he is pretty poor
 
Unless we get a DLP Eriksen has to bring the ball from back to front. ETH earlier tried to play him in AM, didn't work.
 
Eriksen isn't the problem. His partners are. Fred should have started with Eriksen.

Could not agree more. He always plays Eriksen cuz he is our only controller/passer in CM. But yeah can't play Ronaldo and VdB ahead of him.
 
Except in 2 weeks when he plays that exact position for Denmark in a 3 man midfield with Højbjerg and Delaney behind him…
When playing for Denmark, he's not playing behind Ronaldo