What was the story with Paul McShane? 36 yet messing about in our U23s team!?
How many players will leave this summer?
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What was the story with Paul McShane? 36 yet messing about in our U23s team!?
Brought in as player coach last summer. I mean, you could easily have found that information using your favourite search engine.
I thought i'd give someone the platform to show their exceptional knowledge. Well done.
I can’t see many players going other than those going for free or on loan
And to add, I think he only played 4 games last season
Potentially you can let atleast 11 players go ( basically a whole team )
henderson
w bissaka bailly Jones b willians
matic pogba mata
lingaard cavani martial
sub pereira..tuanzebe
henderson
w bissaka bailly Jones b willians
matic pogba mata
lingaard cavani martial
sub pereira..tuanzebe
I feel AWB, Baily and Jones are also likely to leave. That‘s 9 senior players already damn. If it happens, this has to be one of our biggest clearouts surely?
Henderson should bring in a decent fee; Bailly a reasonable one. Tuanzebe, Chong, Pereira, Williams should all at least have a value, if not a lot. Maybe £65-70m between them; that’s two thirds of £100m and better than a jab in the eye with a sharp stick.So not the 100m some posters think we'll manage to pull in
Jones we might as well keep; he can keep Varane company in the treatment room. There’s talk of a loan for AWB and I can’t see how we could get a fee for Martial.
It's a shame we still got another 8 players can be sold with out a thought as we cant go anywhere with these lot.
We could get 125M on these players which cab be wisely invested too. If we add Dalot(15)+|Tells(15) means 155M in total
Frenkie will take 21….
Jones has been earmarked to leave for ages. Yet never leaves or sold. Cant see him leaving this summer as well. Nobody seems interested. He will probably leave for free at the end of the contract. Shocking mismanagement.
If he wants to play football, he needs to leave (possibly on reduced wages). I think it comes down to that. There is little chance he is getting game time under ETH, especially if we sign Timber or another defender.
Well we know that 6 are out of contract.
Then there is some not wanted and put up for sale.
Others have asked to go.
Thats a lot in one transfer window.
We need to bring in at least 6 new players and then promote some youngsters to the squad.
Then there is some not wanted and put up for sale.
Others have asked to go.
Thats a lot in one transfer window.
We need to bring in at least 6 new players and then promote some youngsters to the squad.
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I would be stunned if we made 70m in sales this summer.
Nobody is giving us what people seem to think they will for these players. Henderson is the only player we have a hope in fetching any serious (20m+) money for.
Martial, Bailly, Henderson, Wan Bissaka, Teles, Tuanzebe, Jones, and possibly some others will fetch more than 75million.
At least half of those will still be United players next summer
Name them. The only one that may be kept is Teles and if he is then Williams will be sold.
Name the clubs willing to part money for them beyond the one Newcastle link for Hendo
I reckon all will stay except Henderson. There is a reason we can’t shift them. All on stupid inflated contracts they cannot achieve elsewhere, hence they stay. Do you see someone paying Martial £200k a week?
Tuanzebe is rumored to go to Brighton, I can see some teams going for him. Bailly will probably end up in Serie A, and will definitely have his suitors. Henderson will be pushing for a move and plenty of clubs want him I imagine. I think Jones will be pushing too. Martial will be difficult to sell. Telles ís 50/50 IMO.
There is a few clubs interested in Wan Bissaka and Bailly. Henderson is wanted by Newcastle. Tuanzebe is wanted by Brighton. Teles is wanted by Porto. Martial may be hard to get rid of unless he is willing to take a pay cut now that WC is this year and he wants to get into squad.
It's been a positive start to the much needed clearout, but I think we're giving the hierarchy too much credit so far.
Don't forget that we had contracts on the table for both Pogba and Lingard. I'm sure if either player had a change of heart in the last few weeks, we would have signed them to long-term deals. The likes of Cavani, Grant, Mata etc were always leaving at the end of their contracts.
If we move the likes of: Henderson, AWB, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzebe, Pereria, Martial out of the club permanetly, then that would be a real step in the right direction.
Don't forget that we had contracts on the table for both Pogba and Lingard. I'm sure if either player had a change of heart in the last few weeks, we would have signed them to long-term deals. The likes of Cavani, Grant, Mata etc were always leaving at the end of their contracts.
If we move the likes of: Henderson, AWB, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzebe, Pereria, Martial out of the club permanetly, then that would be a real step in the right direction.
If we add Telles, Dalot, Williams to the list means 10 players are surplus on top pf 6 already left, do we really need to shipout these many?
Can we improve any of these and use them instrad of buying new ones
Interest and them actually leaving is two different things. Jones had a loan offer to Bordeaux in January and turned it down because he was happy to sit on the bench taking home his ridiculous wage rather than challenge himself.
The only link I’ve seen for AWB is a loan deal to Palace. The club isn’t going to be happy with that deal. Bailly’s injury record will mean very few clubs will take a chance on him. Martial will only go on loan because of his wages. None of these options brings money into the club for more players.
Jones will fetch nothing. Martial will cost us money to get rid of after his Sevilla debacle.
The best case scenario for Bailly is that we can use him in a player exchange for Pau Torres, otherwise we're looking at 15-20m with his injury record.
Telles and Tuanzebe will go for small money if they go at all.
Wan-Bissaka and Henderson are the best two hopes we have for a decent return and 50m (combined) is the upper limit there really.
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Wouldn’t be surprised if apart for ones who have left due to contracts exporting the only others ones to go will be on loans.
This feels possible unfortunately particularly if most still remain towards the end of the window.
I still reckon it'll end up a pretty big clearout including young fringe players.
Think the majority of Henderson, Wan Bissaka, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzebe, Telles (or Williams), Pereira, Martial and Chong will all move on. Levitt, Bernard, Bishop and Galbraith are probably of the age where they fancy first team football too having gotten a taste last season.
I hope you’re right but knowing us I think you’ll be disappointed.
And Green as keeper sub. Plus a CEO, 2 scouts, 2 coaches, so an entire team, front and back.
My prediction:
Martial - no one is interested in him. We may have to pay off like 15-25m to terminate his contract.
Bailly - we may sell him for 10m hopefully
Henderson - we may sell him for 20-30m hopefully
Wan Bissala - we may sell him for 20-25m hopefully
Telles - we may sell him for 10m hopefully
Jones - He won’t leave as he is still under contract and content to stay on bench forever. At best he would leave for free for another club for 1st team football.
At best we could raise 60-75m and save another 30m in per year wage bill.
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The clear out is good but its significance is probably tad overhyped. Most of these players have been out of the first team for ages so it's more bench refresh than team reboot. More curious about what ETH will do with the deadwood and overhyped talents festering about the starting xi over the next 3 years.
I feel like it’s more important to get some of the expensive deadwood off the wage bill than anything else.
Pogba, Lingard, Matic, Mata and Cavani saves over a million a week on wages. Disgusting but (probably) true.
Not getting to the Champions League apparently also reduces the remaining players’ wages. Hopefully we can get a bit of structure back to the salaries.
Pogba, Lingard, Matic, Mata and Cavani saves over a million a week on wages. Disgusting but (probably) true.
Not getting to the Champions League apparently also reduces the remaining players’ wages. Hopefully we can get a bit of structure back to the salaries.
Fair enough, but some could fetch a little more. Then there is Tuanzebe, Williams, Pellestri, Amad.
Updated 06-06-2022
Confirmed departures
Senior team
Matic (31) - released
Cavani (21) - released
Grant (13) - retired
Pogba (6) - released
Lingard (14) - released
Mata (8) - released
U23
Woolston (?) - retired
McShane (62) - retired
Mellor (?) - released
Svidersky (68) - released
U18
Polakowski (76) - released
In parantheses you have the players shirt number
Confirmed departures
Senior team
Matic (31) - released
Cavani (21) - released
Grant (13) - retired
Pogba (6) - released
Lingard (14) - released
Mata (8) - released
U23
Woolston (?) - retired
McShane (62) - retired
Mellor (?) - released
Svidersky (68) - released
U18
Polakowski (76) - released
In parantheses you have the players shirt number
I don't see Jones leaving anyway. He had years to ask to leave and never did. He had a chance to go to France and prove he's not done yet, which would've increased his chance of getting a good contract at another club, yet refused it to stay home. I feel like he doesn't trust his own body anymore and is waiting to run his contract down so that he can retire after. I'm guessing he probably has a loyalty bonus in his contract as well.
Genuinely can't wait to see the back of some of these players. Not even anything personal for most of them, they're just a symptom of the club's hopelessness at squad building and it creates a bad feeling around the club.
I do think the quality of Pogba and Cavani needs replacing, but hopefully with younger, fitter players that suit the manager. A RB and ideally a bruising DM as well and we wouldn't be in bad shape. Certainly wouldn't sniff at a pacy, composed CB either though.
I do think the quality of Pogba and Cavani needs replacing, but hopefully with younger, fitter players that suit the manager. A RB and ideally a bruising DM as well and we wouldn't be in bad shape. Certainly wouldn't sniff at a pacy, composed CB either though.
Martial, Bailly, Jones will be here next year because no one else will pay their wages.
Wan Bissaka, Teles will be here next year because they can still play a role (and no one else will pay their wages).
You have to factor in the players' wages have been cut by 25% due to no CL football so it's certainly not high enough to deter decent level clubs from buying them.
AC Milan almost signed Bailly in January and were willing to pay his wages but Utd refused to sell. Bailly has also wanted out for close to 2yrs now so he may probably accept a small wage cut simply because he's sick of being at Utd. Nobody will pay Martial's wages for sure hence why a loan deal will happen rather than a permanent like how Chelsea loan out Bakayoko every year. Jones stays I agree but it won't affect our transfer plans.
I do think Telles stays not because he has a role but because so many players(including Williams) are leaving and I don't see him being on that list till next year at least. I also think Alvaro Fernandez will be promoted so we'll have 3 LB options. Wan Bissaka however will leave 100% the moment Ten Hag came here the entire Utd media has reported that he's been told he won't be part of Ten Hag's plans whereas Dalot is. His wages also won't be an issue he was on around 70-80k before the 25% cut so he's probably within the 60k a week range now which is more than affordable to Crystal Palace who are in the market for a young RB and who have paid close to £60m for Benteke and Sakho in the past.
Believe it or not some of our players ARE sellable assets despite what you've been made to believe
The 6 that are definitely leaving will equate to £45m a year in salaries - this is the most significant number when it comes to financing as the players transfer values are written down (depreciated) in each year of their contract while the salaries remain the same.
Therefore from an accounting point of view we no longer value the players asset value but hold the salary costs.
It’s the salary costs that ultimately count towards what our budget will be. Of course, if we can sell someone during their contract then we realise some value in the asset while also reducing the salary costs.
If we sign a player for say £80m then we will probably pay it in instalments over several years - say £30m year 1, £30m year 2 and then the balance in year 3. So from an accounting point of view we are only paying £30m from the off - while we put an £80m asset initially on our books and carry a debt forward to the next year - while then depreciating that asset the next year anyway.
Importantly though - the salary goes straight in from day 1.
If we can shift a couple more players - Henderson being the one who is the most likely/costly then that would have a very beneficial effect on our accounts for player budgeting.
Our biggest elephant in the room though is Martial. He is on £250k a week and I’m sure we would now give him away to get that salary off of our books but looks very unlikely anyone is going to take him.
Salaries are key to how many players we can buy.
Therefore from an accounting point of view we no longer value the players asset value but hold the salary costs.
It’s the salary costs that ultimately count towards what our budget will be. Of course, if we can sell someone during their contract then we realise some value in the asset while also reducing the salary costs.
If we sign a player for say £80m then we will probably pay it in instalments over several years - say £30m year 1, £30m year 2 and then the balance in year 3. So from an accounting point of view we are only paying £30m from the off - while we put an £80m asset initially on our books and carry a debt forward to the next year - while then depreciating that asset the next year anyway.
Importantly though - the salary goes straight in from day 1.
If we can shift a couple more players - Henderson being the one who is the most likely/costly then that would have a very beneficial effect on our accounts for player budgeting.
Our biggest elephant in the room though is Martial. He is on £250k a week and I’m sure we would now give him away to get that salary off of our books but looks very unlikely anyone is going to take him.
Salaries are key to how many players we can buy.