How long will it take for United to reclaim their former glory?

It would take relegation for our global brand to be irrelevant. The big question is do you think that relegation is now within the realms of possibility?
Within the foreseeable future, yes, I agree with you that we will be alright. But if we end up 10th-7th in the league with the odd cup win for the next 15 years, surely our popularity will start declining.

And no, I don’t think that relegation is within the realms of possibility right now.
 
It shows how quickly football can get away from you when you make bad decisions. I reckon we’re another 5 years from being back competing for league titles

Mount, Casemiro, Hojlund, Antony and if we are being honest Martinez . Thats a lot wasted. With all the FFP laws in place now. We can’t buy are way out of trouble. Unless we get a manager who can work miracles or a bunch of youngsters who can step up. We are a mid table / cup team for the next decade. Ten Hag and The Glazers both to blame. More so The Glazers
 
I do not believe the 5-10 years plans. Anytime someone mentions such a plan it means that they are selling snake oil.

If we have the right structure, with our finances, it shouldn’t take longer than 2-3 years to make us competitive. Just check how fast Liverpool became competitive under Klopp, basically in their second full season they reached UCL final. If it isn’t the right structure, it won’t happen in 5, 10 or 20 years cause there will be mistakes which will get accumulated.

So under Glazers basically we wouldn’t ever become competitive. And from what I have seen so far under Ineos, the same stands. So I guess, 3 years after we change owners assuming that the new owners won’t suck. Or Ineos find some sense, which is becoming increasingly hard to believe considering that they have been making stupid mistakes after stupid mistakes to the point that I think we would have been better managed by ChatGPT.
 
Mount, Casemiro, Hojlund, Antony and if we are being honest Martinez . Thats a lot wasted. With all the FFP laws in place now. We can’t buy are way out of trouble. Unless we get a manager who can work miracles or a bunch of youngsters who can step up. We are a mid table / cup team for the next decade. Ten Hag and The Glazers both to blame. More so The Glazers
This is the scary truth. Early post Fergie days, there was always that comfort of throwing money at the problems. That's not the case anymore.
 
Most important to become a stable top-4 team; playing regularly in CL.

How long did it take Aston Villa to build up today's top-4 team? Seems like it can go fast once you hit it right.

United has to play CL in order to attract the best up and coming players - NOT players over the top like example Varane, Casemiro, Eriksen, Cavani, Zlatan.

Realistic goals:
Goal1: two top 4 a row within 2028 (PL)
Goal2: PL or CL trophy within 2030
 
Can't see it with the dithering football structure we have in place atm.
 
Let’s string 3 seasons back-to-back in the top 4 before we talk about former glory.

We made fun of Arsenal under Wenger for years, but now we find ourselves in a similar situation. We want a new stadium, we also want to be financially prudent, and we also want to play CL football consistently, but we keep taking these wild swings at quick fixes to go back to former glory with massive transfers that don’t work out and so much hubris from our management over the years and our fans.

Again, top 4 for 3 years in a row. Let’s establish ourselves as a mainstay among the top teams rather than a mid table club that occasionally is in the top 4, with the occasional domestic cup, which is what I’m worried we’re trending towards.
 
No faith in us actually ever winning the league again to be honest. The financial advantage has been eroded, there's no evidence the new board can make the real big calls, and mainly, I think the Premier league will have ceased to exist.

It'll be some sort of Euro superleague, which luckily we'll still get an invite to even when 7th / 8th becomes the norm rather than the exception.
 
No faith in us actually ever winning the league again to be honest. The financial advantage has been eroded, there's no evidence the new board can make the real big calls, and mainly, I think the Premier league will have ceased to exist.

It'll be some sort of Euro superleague, which luckily we'll still get an invite to even when 7th / 8th becomes the norm rather than the exception.
Same here. I’d genuinely argue that our chances of getting back to the top are completely dead. I genuinely think that the league title that we won when I was 14 11 years ago might be the last of my lifetime. I really hope it’s not, but it looks dangerously possible. I hate it.
 
Fortunes can quickly change in football if you appoint the right Manager at the right time. It's just having the wisdom and luck to get it right.
 
I do not believe the 5-10 years plans. Anytime someone mentions such a plan it means that they are selling snake oil.

If we have the right structure, with our finances, it shouldn’t take longer than 2-3 years to make us competitive. Just check how fast Liverpool became competitive under Klopp, basically in their second full season they reached UCL final. If it isn’t the right structure, it won’t happen in 5, 10 or 20 years cause there will be mistakes which will get accumulated.

So under Glazers basically we wouldn’t ever become competitive. And from what I have seen so far under Ineos, the same stands. So I guess, 3 years after we change owners assuming that the new owners won’t suck. Or Ineos find some sense, which is becoming increasingly hard to believe considering that they have been making stupid mistakes after stupid mistakes to the point that I think we would have been better managed by ChatGPT.
Yes but they also had very poor seasons.
 
I watched Barcelona's last couple of games and it seems they are back on track after their recent struggles. This makes me wonder when United will become a real team again. Its been over a decade since Fergie retired and the club still seems to be searching for its identity. What will it take and how long will it take for United to reclaim their former glory if we ever do?
Well, it took Barcelona 3 months and a transfer budget of 19m to go from shite to great.
So if we get the right manager, I think we also need a few months. Not years of rebuilding bollocks
 
We’ve squandered pretty much any advantage over other competitors looking to step up. At this point our future prospects of winning the league are the same or arguably even worse than Newcastle, Spurs, Villa and the likes. Meaning it could be a very, very long time.

This ridiculous manager and splashing hundreds of millions on shite may be the straw that broke the camel’s back. I doubt many of this team will recover from ETH.
 
Well, it took Barcelona 3 months and a transfer budget of 19m to go from shite to great.
So if we get the right manager, I think we also need a few months. Not years of rebuilding bollocks
But they already had the youngsters coming up. It's total nonsense this took 3 months, it's been years.
 
Anything can happen in football.
The right players at the right time, with a manager who can create a winning team and it’s possible to be successful and win titles.
So you can’t rule Utd out completely.

However, we’ve squandered our strong financial position and global appeal, with what feels like a continuing, downward spiral.
The kudos and appeal we had for attracting top players is almost gone and we no longer have the money available to splash about, like that prize Muppet, Woodward used to brag about.
Over a £billion in dept and wearing a financial straitjacket imposed by both the football rules and our worsening financial results, means it’ll be a long way back, if it ever happens.
Big money sponsors and prospective new supporters will be looking elsewhere.
 
That's me done then. I waited 26 years from 67 to 93 and another 10 since 2013. I'll be pushing up daisies before I see another title.
Were we ever this embarassing and gutless? I mean even liverpool in those 30 years were a force iirc.. i never seen any club free falling like this over a decade without any major changes. I expected Old trafford to go on rioting around 2016.
 
It's hard to say, because it's not a matter of only time it's a matter of work and actions to get us back there. As of today it can be 100 years and it won't change anything as we're more likely to be worse than better each year, we're so poorly run than there's no time frame for us to go back to former glory until we solve it.
 
Lot of gloom here for obvious reasons. I actually think it could happen sooner rather than later, but it depends on a number things, some of which we don't entirely control ourselves.

The chaotic and transitionary nature of last season in particular gave us a shaky start to this one. The whole takeover saga, terrible and reactive transfer business, self-inflicted financial woes and so on have put the club and the new management team in the hole from day one. I think they chose to bet on investing in the squad first and rolling the dice a bit on Ten Hag to save money and buy some time in order to properly implement the structural changes they have identified to bring United into the modern age. Obviously that bet hasn't quite panned out, but I think overall we had a pretty solid window all things considered. The squad was strengthened throughout the whole spine, and personally I believe someone like Zirkzee will turn out to be a solid signing even if he never sets the world on fire (like Olise quite possible could have..... *sigh*). At the same time they got rid of a lot of unwanted players in that one window, which we have really struggled to do in previous years. It's easy to forget that right now, but it was a meaningful sign of things to come.

If they manage to establish a lead the club and our recruitment with a game model, while also turning around our strategic reputation in the industry by sticking to the principles they've set out for themselves, we will start to see a proper realignment of the current discrepancy between our position and the underlying strength in our brand and economics. Yeah, there are some 'if's here, and the challenge both domestically and internationally is substantial, but if we keep caring for and training this horse in the right way we could have a proper thoroughbred in the competition in a few years. Look at the others - Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa in particular. How quickly they managed to climb the ranks once they started doing the right things consistently without panicking because of short term setbacks.

There is the making of a good core in this squad in my opinion with players like Onana, Yoro, Martinez, De Ligt, Mainoo, Højlund, Garnacho and Zirkzee. I still think Rashford could contribute significantly to a top level squad if we played to his strengths again and got a really good man manager in there (though he will properly never start for a title winning side). Sure, those players all have question marks against in them in one way or the other, but for me at least there is enough sparks flying there to believe fire could follow. I won't pretend to know the youth department, but my perception is that we have some real potential there as well with the Fletcher kids, Obi-Martin, Amass and Kone among others.

If we manage to keep building on the summer window and avoiding big injuries, I see some proper potential there for a good manager to work with and potentially construct a Champions League capable side at least within the next few seasons. The challenge will be to keep recruiting players that can improve the squad in spite of the competition we face in the market, and getting a manager who can improve the talent pool by being the centerpiece of a better organisational culture making the team more than the sum of its parts. It's absolutely crucial that the management team can keep the 'Yoro pitch' credible for future targets, and also the infrastructure investments into fitness, medical and analytics will take a bit of time to start paying off, but there is really no reason to think they won't.

They need to get the next manager right and importantly strengthen our midfield with a starter level signing either in January already or in the summer. And of course they can't allow the Ten Hag situation to fester for too long. It's a balancing act right now to keep the scenarios they're operating on alive for both new players and managers, but personally I still have confidence they will get those hires right, when they choose to pull the trigger.

After all, this kind of process worked out for clubs with a much weaker starting position than United. Why wouldn't it work for us? Big injuries, rival investment levels and luck of the draw. We don't control those, and they can throw a spanner in the works. But we have real ambition again with an owner like Ratcliffe, and we aren't being run by a crony clown crew anymore. If we keep doing the right things, I do believe we will start seeing it pay off with better football and results within a season or two.

It's like one of the great voices in football has said himself: 'It's maths, pure maths, and it will happen.'
 
We've a good squad, good youngsters, and a reasonable amount of money. We just need to stop dicking about and sack the coach to show the standards expected. The board have done fairly well in the transfer window but need to earn their pay during the season too. Get a decent interim and try for Ancelotti in the summer or something. Unless we can get Zidane now.
 
I watched Barcelona's last couple of games and it seems they are back on track after their recent struggles. This makes me wonder when United will become a real team again. Its been over a decade since Fergie retired and the club still seems to be searching for its identity. What will it take and how long will it take for United to reclaim their former glory if we ever do?

Until we can appoint the right person to manage/coach the team.
 
Given the competitiveness of the league just now and the strength of City struggle to see United going on a Fergie-style run for titles.

If there's a resurgence anytime soon can see it being closer to Liverpool's - a top team in the mix, winning trophies, but not dominating the league. Or there's the Chelsea path of winning the league one year and then imploding entirely the next. Basically, it's not always a linear path from mediocrity to sustained success.
 
If former glory means legitimately contending for the league and figuring into the end stages of the Champions League every season, then it's going to be a long, long time. Most of our players probably aren't good enough to play for a top 2/3 team. How many of our current players could get into the first eleven of City, Arsenal, or Liverpool?

The goal should be to get back to being a top 4 club and hoping to reach the knockout stage of the Champions League every season; maybe if we string together a couple of great summer windows in a row we can reach that within the next 3-4 years.
 
The Fergie era success (on the whole) didn't magically happen just because Fergie himself was a genius (which he undoubtedly was).

Comparing United to Sunderland or other historically significant (but now irrelevant) clubs is either uninformed or blatantly alarmist/wummish.

United had a huge fan base (across the globe) when Fergie took over from Big Ron (after decades of not winning anything beyond the odd FA Cup). Fergie didn't take over Sunderland (or anything remotely comparable), he took over a football club that was among the best supported in the world - and United (the "brand") expanded from there in the Sky era because of various factors, actual success on the pitch being a very important one (of course).

We have been among the most supported/followed (according to all sorts of measures) football clubs in the world for a long, long time. And we still are - after too many years of crap results post-SAF - so the most extreme form of doom-mongering here is really just silly.
 
I don't think we will. Our former glory was the greatest team in the land, with the best manager and regularly getting the top players. I don't think we'll see this again.

The club is still owned by leeches, other clubs are owned by benefactors who will give them whatever they need to succeed, and City will eventually be ahead of us in every metric because of this. They gain new fans every year they're winning and we lose young prospective fans every year we're a joke.

Eventually, new fans will be the older fans and United will have a much smaller share due to years of being terribly run and embarrassingly poor. That will cement the position of Nation owned clubs as the number one.

That doesn't mean that we can never be successful again, but we'll never be at the very top again in my opinion. We'll always be behind City going forward in terms of being successful and getting the top players etc.
 
Young supporters are naturally attracted to footballing success, glamour and excitement.
Unless a kid is brought up and indoctrinated as a fan, they’ll be drawn to where the lights shine brightest.
Utd are hardly the embodiment of that sort of attraction these days.

We are already on the cusp of a slide in the size of our global support and our ability to continue drawing in big sponsorship deals is already under threat today, by not having a consistent presence challenging in the CL, or even the PL.

Unless this is all turned round on the pitch, in short order, the long term future will see our global standing and support drift further down in the rankings.
15 or 20 years ago, who would have thought a second or third rank club like City, would grow out of nowhere, to be the 6th best supported club in the world and the 2nd richest, by income. They haven’t finished growing yet, either.


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Until we solve the weak mentality issue now embedded in fabric of the club then we aren't going to rise any time quickly. As time goes by the pressure builds on players and managers until it implodes. Now 5 times in 10 years with little sign of improvement. Not sure how it can be turned around.