How do you want our club to go about its transfer business?

How do you want our club to go about its transfer business?

  • Bayern model (Hoover up all reasonably priced national talent)

    Votes: 2 2.1%

  • Barcelona model (Supplement local talant with experience and young international talent)

    Votes: 69 71.1%

  • R. Madrid model (Galacticos)

    Votes: 6 6.2%

  • E)boue

    Votes: 20 20.6%
  • Total voters
    97

afrocentricity

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Here's a question. Bayern model (hoover up all reasonably priced national talent), R. Madrid model (Galacticos) or Barcelona* model (Supplement local talant with experience and young international talent)?

*also our model.

Reading through the 'lost its soul' thread I wanna know if that thread is giving a fair representation of what the fanbase wants.

Mods can maybe make this an anonymous poll? @Damien
 
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We've always adopted the Bayern Model in a way, scooping up the best PL players over the last 10-15 years.
 
I'm fairly happy with how we do things.
 
The original Galacticos model was meant to be high talent purchases to work alongside inexperienced but highly talented local players, wasnt it? (Then it lost its way when Del Bosque was fired and Perez didnt want to pay Makelele or buy a defender that Bosque asked for- iirc).

Anyway, that model in this day and age would be ideal.
 
Sylar said:
The original Galacticos model was meant to be high talent purchases to work alongside inexperienced but highly talented local players, wasnt it? (Then it lost its way when Del Bosque was fired and Perez didnt want to pay Makelele or buy a defender that Bosque asked for- iirc).

Anyway, that model in this day and age would be ideal.
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So Barca method?
 
afrocentricity said:
What's that then? Is kinda still the RM method really...
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To try and get the best domestic players (like we did with Rio, Shaw, Carrick and Rooney etc) and supplement with some marquee signings.

Building the team around local talent, goes without saying, would be ideal. However, that is not quite realistic today.
 
The barca model.

- invest in youth but only let the really promising ones through and train them all to live by the philosophy.

- invest heavily In the right positions every year.
 
Sign top players regardless of price or reputation. Players with the right mentality and are hungry for success. Focus on players 25 and younger.
 
SirAF said:
To try and get the best domestic players (like we did with Rio, Shaw, Carrick and Rooney etc) and supplement with some marquee signings.

Building the team around local talent, goes without saying, would be ideal. However, that is not quite realistic today.
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Well I asked what you would like, not what you think we are being forced into because of.... reasons. So it sounds like you are saying you'd ideally prefer the Bayern method?
 
afrocentricity said:
So Barca method?
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Yep, as it stands now. was just making a point I think that was what Madrid went for, and it did work with the three CLs in 6 years, but they lost their way when they missed out on Vieria and got Owen instead. But yeah, Barcas current system seems ideal and goes back to what we had in the 90;s. Local talent + other best british talent + key signings to supplement that which help the team (rather than signings just for the sake of name signings).

What we did this year is closest to it for a long time imo.
 
afrocentricity said:
Well I asked what you would like, not what you think we are being forced into because of.... reasons. So it sounds like you are saying you'd ideally prefer the Bayern method?
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Yes. Obliterate the domestic competition.
 
At the very least I expect them to check their spelling so that we don't end up signing Thomas Miller for millions of pounds. He is 52 FFS!
 
OK, liking the responses so far. I do think an anonymous poll will be more enlightening though... Go on @Damien ;)
 
Atm, we need established players. But I reckon if we land all our targets we will go back to signing potential and the odd big name. This summer and last are the exception not the rule.
 
It would be great if they made like polls online of which players to buy and how much to pay for them.
 
Ballache said:
Atm, we need established players. But I reckon if we land all our targets we will go back to signing potential and the odd big name. This summer and last are the exception not the rule.
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A few people aren't going to like that, I think so too.
 
The fabled Bayern model of transfers, my favorite football myth.

From our squad right now, we bought Götze, Neuer, Dante, Kimmich, Rode, Ulreich and Kurt from other Bundesliga clubs and bagged Lewandowski on a free. 3 marquee players (2 bought), granted, but apart from that just 3 promising youngsters, a bang average 2nd goalkeeper and old man Dante. Götze also had a release clause, so any club could've snatched him up.
United, from the top of my head, got Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata, Young and of course Rooney from other EPL clubs, minus RvP.

We just managed to get more bang out of our buck when it comes to domestic transfers. I'm also quite happy overall with how we've been doing these past few years.
 
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We can't do the Bayern model as we can't sign the best players from the other CL teams in the PL, whereas Bayern can sign players from any other German club. We have to poach from the teams outside the top 5, occasionally 6th and 7th (Everton and Spurs) but they come with a ridiculous price tag normally.

Barcelona model is obviously the best on paper but it obviously depends on the amount of quality youngsters coming through. Also I believe Barca can take on kids for the academy from all over Spain whereas we are hindered by restrictions regarding kids (the one hour rule I believe? Although I don't know if it is still in place)
 
Bayern's model isn't just about buying promising talent in Germany or signing established Bundesliga players - we do have our acadamy players in Lahm, Alaba, Müller, Badstuber and recently Gaudino and we spend Money on foreigners like Robben, Ribéry, Thiago, etc.
 
I don't want us to buy any British players, ever, as they're all rubbish, as evidenced by the fact that none of the home nations have won anything against anyone since Tiger Woods last wore his red t-shirt. So there.
 
SteveJ said:
I don't want us to buy any British players, ever, as they're all rubbish, as evidenced by the fact that none of the home nations have won anything against anyone since Tiger Woods last wore his red t-shirt. So there.
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Off to the 'lost its soul' thread with ya!
 
Piratesoup said:
The fabled Bayern model of transfers, my favorite football myth.

From our squad right now, we bought Götze, Neuer, Dante, Kimmich, Rode, Ulreich and Kurt from other Bundesliga clubs and bagged Lewandowski on a free. 3 marquee players (2 bought), granted, but apart from that just 3 promising youngsters, a bang average 2nd goalkeeper and old man Dante.
United, from the top of my head, got Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata, Young and of course Rooney from other EPL clubs, minus RvP.

We just managed to get more bang out of our buck when it comes to domestic transfers. I'm also quite happy overall with how we've been doing these past few years.
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Xivon said:
Bayern's model isn't just about buying promising talent in Germany or signing established Bundesliga players - we do have our acadamy players in Lahm, Alaba, Müller, Badstuber and recently Gaudino and we spend Money on foreigners like Robben, Ribéry, Thiago, etc.
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I think what people mean by Bayern model is being the first port of call and destination for all domestic talent. It's always been the case that you can pretty much cherry pick the better players in your league for virtually no money, bar when they want to go to Madrid who are a global version of the same thing (except that they spend ridiculous money, as we would if all domestic talent preferred us first).

I agree your current team is largely the result of bringing through great talents (again, having first dibs on them at youth level) and specific targetting of foreign players (if we ignore Pep's hard on for alll things not German). It isn't much different from Barcelona, except for the unique factor (which can't be replicated) that you seem to get the domestic talents for half what they would cost to any foreign club. It's like other German clubs love bending over and getting shafted by you.
 
I would say Barcelonas model is different to how you describe. Suarez Neymar were big buys. Apparently want Pogba too.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I would say Barcelonas model is different to how you describe. Suarez Neymar were big buys. Apparently want Pogba too.
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Yes but they try to bring through talent from the youth program first and foremost right? Unless somethings changed and I missed it... the other buys are to supplement the team.
 
I want it all. We should be buying marquee names from abroad, snapping up the most promising British talent and trying to bring through youth players.

If I was to liken it to any club it'd be that one, I forget the name, that bought Shaw (promising English talent), Di Maria (marquee name) and is trying to bring through McNair, Blackett, Januzaj and Wilson.

I don't think our approach needs reassessing, it just needs a bit of rebalancing so we're less dependent on the marquee names, but that'll be easier to achieve if and when we're back on top.
 
Option A) Doesn't exist really
Option B) Parachute option that covers all angles
Option C) Circus act
Option E) boue

I predict a landslide, with Eboue putting up a fight.
 
Barcelona have the exact model as Real Madrid these days, them promoting youngsters it's just a myth.

We always followed a model similar to Bayern's, we obviously don't have their monopoly on our league, but generally when top English talent was available we would always be in for them.
 
Globule said:
I want it all. We should be buying marquee names from abroad, snapping up the most promising British talent and trying to bring through youth players.

If I was to liken it to any club it'd be that one, I forget the name, that bought Shaw (promising English talent), Di Maria (marquee name) and is trying to bring through McNair, Blackett, Januzaj and Wilson.

I don't think our approach needs reassessing, it just needs a bit of rebalancing so we're less dependent on the marquee names, but that'll be easier to achieve if and when we're back on top.
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Good luck with that. Our youth players are never going to be world beaters like a Messi/Xavi/Iniesta/Müller/Schweinsteiger... England simply doesn't produce such talent.
 
antohan said:
I think what people mean by Bayern model is being the first port of call and destination for all domestic talent. It's always been the case that you can pretty much cherry pick the better players in your league for virtually no money, bar when they want to go to Madrid who are a global version of the same thing (except that they spend ridiculous money, as we would if all domestic talent preferred us first).

I agree your current team is largely the result of bringing through great talents (again, having first dibs on them at youth level) and specific targetting of foreign players (if we ignore Pep's hard on for alll things not German). It isn't much different from Barcelona, except for the unique factor (which can't be replicated) that you seem to get the domestic talents for half what they would cost to any foreign club. It's like other German clubs love bending over and getting shafted by you.
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That virtually no money is wrong, too - if we really pick a player from another club that is not a bargain because of release clauses or contracts that run out we usually overpay.

Bayern simply does that what every other club in Germany does, too - buying players from other clubs in the league, more often clubs that are below them. And whereas a lot seem to believe we get everybody - we do not - sometimes because the player is scared not to be good enough - sometimes because the club would not sell to us. Götze and Lewy were no usual sales but came with release clauses or on a free.

The same about youth talent... Müller, Lahm, Badstuber, Schweinsteiger - and they are the ones that are most "famous" come out of the region and came to Bayern with 10, 11, 13, 14. Hummels was 5. Sometimes we are lucky to get one of the biggest talents in the U16-category - but others have atleast the same pull for them. We do not have many players in Germany's U-teams...
 
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The same about youth talent... Müller, Lahm, Badstuber, Schweinsteiger - and they are the ones that are most "famous" come out of the region and came to Bayern with 10, 11, 13, 14. Hummels was 5. Sometimes we are lucky to get one of the biggest talents in the U16-category - but others have atleast the same pull for them. We do not have many players in Germany's U-teams...
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Additionally, Alaba came to our youth team from austria. Not our fault nobody else scouted him or lured him away before us. Kroos is the expection here, he's the only one where you could say we "hoovered him up". Our academy and grass roots work has been undervalued a lot in recent years. The poll is therefore bollocks because the so called "Barca Model" is exactly what we've been doing for many years now.

The one thing that helps Bayern is that the big clubs in germany are much wider spread throughout the country, unlike the EPL and it's London clubs that have to fight each other for local talent.
 
No thanks to the Bayern model, the national talent is toilet in this country except for 3 or 4 players
 
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