Yeah ok whatever you like. Not really interested in entering the same Poch vs Ole discussion again. Let me guess your argument will be he didn't win anything before ?
Honestly, we are not that far away...
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Yeah ok whatever you like. Not really interested in entering the same Poch vs Ole discussion again. Let me guess your argument will be he didn't win anything before ?
The rest of the footballing world would disagree with you.
Absurd. 15+ teams in the PL would chop their hands off to get Pochettino as their coach, none other than United would hire Solskjær. Another team tried and failed badly. Ask the fans as well, would for example a Spurs-fan take Solskjær over Pochettino even after sacking the latter? Highly doubt it.
Something like: Sancho £120m, Grealish £60m, Partey £45m, Jimenez £75m.
I think you've over egged it with Jimenez given his age but I'll have the rest of them. That said we don't need a CF imo.
Poch was a promising young coach and may well have a decent future. He had a terrible run at Spurs which should not happen to a top coach, not from the position they were in. He deserves another chance but not here.
A lot of comments discount this, but desire is crucial. Fergie Time worked for us because our players gave whatever they had left in the tank just as the opposition was looking ahead to a Lucazade. That desire, coupled with growing into their primes together, will make for a great squad in a few years.
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I'd say it was our 2nd priority, behind a RW. If Rashford is our main back up striker, then we are losing our only effective LW.
I don't think we need one to be successful next season. If we get Sancho and Grealish I think we'll have enough goals. I'd also keep Pogba though tbh.
Pogba
Bruno
Sancho
Grealish
Martial
Greenwood
Rashford
Plenty of goals.
You state this with such confidence. Yet one is employed and one is unemployed.
Don't play silly.
Nar, be optimistic by all means. I'm not negative about the signings we've made since the Summer, I'm very optimistic about them. I even made the thread "Now that's what I call a January window". If anything, I turn more negative on here in reaction to some of the nutjob mentalist posts claiming "Poch isn't a better manager than Ole" or that "Klopp also struggled at first", I just have to shoot this kind of bollocks down; we can be positive about the future without having to result to down right delusion and lies.
I'm positive that we seem to have an idea on recruitment, and it's finally one that's not manager specific. So whether Ole stays or goes in the Summer, I think we'll keep recruiting well and any change in manager won't lead to a full scale rebuild as it has previously.
But claiming a side that's currently joint 5th (maybe lower with Sheffield United having a game in hand) with just 11 wins in 28 games is "not that far away" is at best wildly optimistic and RAWK-2010-esque, at worst deluded beyond all belief.
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I think you should join a reddit general football forum and post this, see how it goes down.
Please post the link here afterwards and let me grab the popcorn.
The focus needs to be adding goal threat in the summer. Lack of options in attacking areas has held us back all season. We can definitely make finishing top 4 next season a lot easier with the right transfers, a title challenge is too optimistic though.
The problem is there are plenty of other teams who can also say 'we're only 2/3 quality signings away', I don't think we're unique.
The problem is there are plenty of other teams who can also say 'we're only 2/3 quality signings away', I don't think we're unique.
Aye, bang on the money.
We’re potentially 3 good signings away from some sort of a title challenge, there’s nothing RAWK about that. Nobody is saying next year is our year now are they.
I'd be remiss for not quoting this for posterity. My response:
Next....
Yes I know. Loads of people think Poch is the nuts.
It’s a fun image - all these fools chopping off their hands to get Poch. The thing is they spent a few months saying how good Poch was and when it turned out he wasn’t quite so great it’s just too late for them to reconsider their opinion and they simply must chop off their hands.
A strong summer window to address key areas (RW, ST, and CM) and ensuring the right manager is in charge since they will need to get our squad to overachieve in order to compete with Liverpool and City.
For me a summer like this and we can finally start working our way into the discussion of a PL title.
Manager - Poch
Transfers -
Werner
Sancho
Fabian Ruiz
*** Keep Pogba***
For me a summer like this and we can finally start working our way into the discussion of a PL title.
Manager - Poch
Transfers -
Werner
Sancho
Fabian Ruiz
*** Keep Pogba***
And City are closer to 13th than 1st.
One thing we need to sort out ASAP is our dismal home record against City. 1 win in 9 years.
Sorry Colin
Suitably contrite
They dont brag about being closer to it dont they?
Ancelotti said: “United played well. They played good football in my opinion; short passes, dangerous in (the) counter-attack.
“It is a team that has an idea. When a team has an idea, that is the manager’s job. He is doing really well from what I see in the game. The fact we competed with them is good for us.”
Yep. We’re getting there. Amazing what difference it makes when a player plays like he wants to be here. 11x of them + back up and we’ll be alright.
“It is a team that has an idea. When a team has an idea, that is the manager’s job. He is doing really well from what I see in the game. The fact we competed with them is good for us.”
Yep. We’re getting there. Amazing what difference it makes when a player plays like he wants to be here. 11x of them + back up and we’ll be alright.
they probably wouldn’t admit that Fergie was better than Poch, never mind Ole. Poch: the idol of the trendy “know nowt” fan. Reddit: Hardly the standard reference point. Other fans are not renowned for praising anything United related, unless it is related to a defeat or red card.
I'm assuming that's just our league record, right? I can recall two victories post Fergie against them at home anyway. The 4-2 in the league, and a 1-0 in the league cup in José's first season. Still really poor regardless.
Someone made a very good illustration on the league table.
He used excel, one column for every point earnt.
The result is staggering
He used excel, one column for every point earnt.
The result is staggering
So you think this season has negated everything Poch did previously?
Admirable optimism...
....should we though.. isn't it better to be realistic..
....should we though.. isn't it better to be realistic..
That's some logicBecause he can't win against bigger sides.
Win percentage is humiliating for a "Great" coach.
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So yeah, if we're aspiring about winning the title with the assumption we need around 86pts then we're quite far
Good to see that Scouse cult bottom of the upside down league. We're still bottle neck mid so progress is...
Look much worse if I cut the 1-20 pts down bellow
If we sign Grealish, Sancho, and Partey/Ndidi then we can make noise next year. Add a striker and that’s a very good side that should challenge for the title.
I don't think anyone will expect us to win the title next season. But Leicester won the title a season after nearly getting relegated. Was it Mahrez and Kante who made the difference?
Off course. Anything is possible. You can be optimistic. But leicester never claimed that they're not actually that far off "the year before"
What is this and where did Chelsea go?
Opss.. I missed Chelsea on 45 pts.
It's just 1 column for 1 pts. To better illustrate the league table.