Hojlund penalty shout vs Gabriel | Was it a penalty?

Meh. Seen them given. Would have been deserved.

I care more about people in the media wanging on about the Havertz dive suggesting a pen. It’s less than the Hojland one, but in the same ballpark.
 
AR87 said:
That's the only answer he can give that he can give to express displeasure about VAR? He clearly was upset about it and made it a point to discuss it. Just because something else was also discussed doesn't change that.
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It does. Just check any sports news website. If you tell the press that your 70 million player does not even train well, this is obviously a much bigger story than any questionable penalty. Mistakes by referees happen every week, star players not training well do not happen very often.
 
frostbite said:
It does. Just check any sports news website. If you tell the press that your 70 million player does not even train well, this is obviously a much bigger story than any questionable penalty. Mistakes by referees happen every week, star players not training well do not happen very often.
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There was a lot of press given to him complaining about VAR. Not as much, but it was certainly a talking point.
 
AR87 said:
There was a lot of press given to him complaining about VAR. Not as much, but it was certainly a talking point.
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He can be talking about the penalty for 90 minutes with the press, and then just tell them "by the way, one of our players has killed someone". Do you think that anyone in the press will mention the penalty? Of course not! The biggest story always wins. It is elementary. ETH gave them a bigger story so they ignored the penalty. What did he expect?
 
frostbite said:
He can be talking about the penalty for 90 minutes with the press, and then just tell them "by the way, one of our players has killed someone". Do you think that anyone in the press will mention the penalty? Of course not! The biggest story always wins. It is elementary. ETH gave them a bigger story so they ignored the penalty. What did he expect?
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They've talked about the VAR incident. I've read multiple articles about it today. You're acting as if it's not even been mentioned or discussed.
 
Just Hope said:
After rewatching it kinda looks like he taps the ball a bit too far and can't make it so he falls. At the moment it looked like a penalty, so who knows.
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If he has tapped it too far, why does Gabriel then have to intervene? He could just let the ball go to Saliba.

It is bound to look a heavy touch anyway as he had his run impeded. Gabriel was in a tricky situation and he fouled him because that was all he could do to stop him getting into a shooting position.

Like someone else said, if that is Saka or Rice up against Maguire it is a penalty.
 
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LDUred said:
If he has tapped it too far, why does Gabriel then have to intervene?

It looks a heavy touch simply because he has his run impeded. Gabriel was toast and he fouled him because that was all he could do.

Like someone else said, if that is Saka or Rice up against Maguire it is being looked at and given.
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This is a good point. The reputation of the players involved definitely is part of the decision being made. No way Maguire, or even say Lindelof get away with that.
 
In real time I dont think Hoj is impeded strongly enough for a penalty. It absolutely is a clumsy way to challenge though and a bit more strength on the contact and maybe. As I said previously in the thread I felt at the time the ball was running to the other defender, I now think with no contact he makes it there and with some contact its like 50/50 with the other defender but Gabriel doesnt have to make no contact. He just has to not make enough that its a foul. And despite the way he challenges and loses balance I think its just about weak enough that its not a foul.

I do think it was closer than the Arsenal penalty with AWB though and they almost gave that
 
frostbite said:
Did ETH say something like this? "I am not here to talk about players that did not take part in this game, I am here to talk about the game, and the penalty that was not given."
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Ten Hag: “It’s not offside. Wrong angle. Penalty on Hojlund. Foul on Evans.”

"The foul on Hojlund in the penalty area, not even noticed by VAR."

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If that was Casemiro he would have been banned from the UK. Let alone a red card and a penalty.
Best league in the world but with a bunch of bellends as referees. The league should be ashamed of itself.
 
UDontMessWith24 said:
Hoijland makes no contact with Gabriel’s arm until impeding his progress. You’re trolling
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Making contact with his arm wasn't going to be called a foul (which would be difficult if Hojland was in front of him) and his progress is impeded once he is actually grabbed by Gabriel. This isn't really a big deal. It was never going to be called. This back and forth is boring.
 
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MackRobinson said:
Making contact with his arm wasn't going to be called a foul (which would be difficult if Hojland was in front of him) and his progress is impeded once he is actually grabbed by Gabriel. This isn't really a big deal. It was never going to be called. This back and forth is boring.
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You're a moron who ignores posts that clearly refute your moronic argument. It's either that our you're a troll.

Either way the fact you think an arm bar is a legal argument against a penalty being awarded is very stupid and wrong. Hopefully you stop posting moving forward.
 
AR87 said:
You're a moron who ignores posts that clearly refute your moronic argument. It's either that our you're a troll.

Either way the fact you think an arm bar is a legal argument against a penalty being awarded is very stupid and wrong. Hopefully you stop posting moving forward.
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Hopefully, you can mature enough to have disagreements without name-calling. I haven't seen any posts that refute anything I've said. Cheers.
 
Powderfinger said:
It’s probably called a foul elsewhere on the pitch but, rightly or wrongly, that kind of action is never called a penalty, even with the arm hook. This angle also makes it look like Hojlund had a better chance of reaching the ball before White than he really did. It was a very loose touch and so it’s viewed as players jostling for position to get to a ball that nobody has under control. I can’t think of many other situations in which a penalty is called in that kind of circumstance..
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Well it's similar to the situation where the ball has already been played when onana body slammed into another player in the first game and everyone made a huge deal out of it, here it looks like Hojlund would still have the possession of the ball had Gabriel not pushed him aside and then dragged him downwards.
 
AR87 said:
You're an idiot. That's not name-calling that's just what you are.
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It's not that serious and quite odd to be this emotional on a football forum over a non-penalty decision. I hope you are alright and work out whatever is bothering you.

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Doesn’t matter what we think. What frustrates me is that it is not being discussed in the press at all. When we gain an advantage from a controversial decision (even if it’s the right call), all the ABUs rage and cry favouritism and bias but completely different from it’s Liverpool or Arsenal.

Us against the world, I guess but feck them.
 
Dislike a lot about ETH but admire him for not being a moaning twit about the penalty call. What would someone like Klopp do? Perhaps call a separate press meet to cry about it for 60 minutes.
 
Definitely a penalty.

keep hearing contact in the box is usually a penalty apparently there wasn’t enough of that. Press playing this down like everything concerning us I can bet anything this happens soon in our box and they will change their tune
 
We need to get real. It's the last few minutes of the game away to Arsenal, do we really think we're going to get a penalty for that especially when they've already overturned an Arsenal penalty earlier in the half?!

Sick of this whingeing, it's distracting from the team's many, many shortcomings.
 
For me that’s not a penalty and I don’t really want to see this kind of challenges given.
 
AR87 said:
They've talked about the VAR incident. I've read multiple articles about it today. You're acting as if it's not even been mentioned or discussed.
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Heard them briefly touch on it on Talksport. Quickly brushed over saying managers complain about decisions they don’t get and then went on about the Wolves penalty yet again. There is clear media bias when it comes to United VAR decisions.
 
Nicoseth said:
Said it yesterday - not a pen for me. If it had been given against us I'd have been raging. Sort of thing that happens every week in the prem - they're rarely given.
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You’d have to show me some examples because I rarely see this interaction in the box.
 
Oscar Bonavena said:
We need to get real. It's the last few minutes of the game away to Arsenal, do we really think we're going to get a penalty for that especially when they've already overturned an Arsenal penalty earlier in the half?!

Sick of this whingeing, it's distracting from the team's many, many shortcomings.
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So because the team have shortcomings we shouldn't be annoyed when we don't get awarded what looked like penalty
 
I hate all this “shoulda woulda coulda” bullshit we see from other fan bases. We need to get our fecking house in order and win matches uncontested.
 
It's a penalty all day long. Gabriel's intention was to stop the man. If a united player did that you can be sure the home team would get the penalty.
 
Loon said:
I hate all this “shoulda woulda coulda” bullshit we see from other fan bases. We need to get our fecking house in order and win matches uncontested.
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Because the officials don't have any effect on the game?
 
Gabriel seems to have a knack for holding and fouling a player but going down in a way that makes it look like he was fouled
 
Loon said:
When it becomes the default position for not winning a game by being better, it’s shit.
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Is it anyone's default position though?
You can play as well as you like, but that doesn't mean you're going to win the game if the officials make mistakes. That's just the reality of the situation.
 
sebsheep said:
Is it anyone's default position though?
You can play as well as you like, but that doesn't mean you're going to win the game if the officials make mistakes. That's just the reality of the situation.
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Of course you can win the game if an official makes a mistake. We’ve done it before.

The decision in the thread title is debatable, weak at best, but if United had played better they’d have no need to question it or have Ten Hag making a fool of himself questioning the Garnacho offside either.
 
Why even have VAR if they are not going to use it properly? The best league my ass!
 
Loon said:
Of course you can win the game if an official makes a mistake. We’ve done it before.

The decision in the thread title is debatable, weak at best, but if United had played better they’d have no need to question it or have Ten Hag making a fool of himself questioning the Garnacho offside either.
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Just because we've done it before doesn't mean it will always happen. Even if it did, why should it be made a harder task by bad officiating?

It's weak in your opinion, I'd say it's a pretty strong shout for a penalty, the defender is just illegally stopping Hojlund.
People should also be questioning bad decisions even if it doesn't really change the outcome of the game, that's a good way to promote improvement.
 
Kush said:


So surprised there isn't a dedicated thread on this. On broadcast, there wasn't even a replay, nevermind a VAR check. Having a decision go our way on opening weekend resulted in an inquest with multiple apologies. Why are the media and oppo fans completely silent on this? Looks like a penalty to me.
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Apparently rugby-tackling players is fine.
 
sebsheep said:
Just because we've done it before doesn't mean it will always happen. Even if it did, why should it be made a harder task by bad officiating?

It's weak in your opinion, I'd say it's a pretty strong shout for a penalty, the defender is just illegally stopping Hojlund.
People should also be questioning bad decisions even if it doesn't really change the outcome of the game, that's a good way to promote improvement.
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There’s debate on here, that’s for sure, and you could be right that it was a foul. I would much rather we were debating this from a winning position rather than the old “we wuz robbed” one.
 
Ultimately, who thinks that the likes of Dermot Gallagher would bring out the argument, 'Maguire's been too strong there, he's simply outmuscled Saka who's lost control of the ball.' It would be, 'Maguire's been caught napping and basically cleaned out Saka, denying the Arsenal man a clear shot on goal. I have no idea what Anthony Taylor was thinking, and have to assume he was unsighted, but that is a penalty.' Players, pundits, and refs alike all use their prejudices to make these contentious decisions seem black and white.

I do agree that it's not as clear cut a penalty as we'd like it to be, but the ABU brigade would be all over this if it were a role reversal. They would be seething with frustration that United had, 'got away with another one'.

At the end of the day it's a very strong shout for a penalty but no-one was interested in it (not even Sky, who didn't show a replay).

It just feels like we were not supposed to get anything out of that game.
 
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