The overall point of this thread, which is questioning the overarching lack of strategy and the club recklessly oscillating from one style of play to another, has nothing to do with patience or support in the manager.Yeah it is starting to look like a mistake to trust that our fanbase has any patience at all.
I hope Amorim manages to ignore it. He's getting hammered by the press, but I'd imagine it's the lack of support from the usual suspects among the fans which will really make it tough for him.
The overall point of this thread, which is questioning the overarching lack of strategy and the club recklessly oscillating from one style of play to another, has nothing to do with patience or support in the manager.
Go on with your holier-than-thou cliches though...
The reality is we don’t because there’s no way in the world Ineos, Berrada and Wilcox decided on our “footballing identity” and “the United way” was a back 3, a defensive midfielder and two 10’s and we’re playing the system we are because Berrada was completely set on Amorim and Amorim in his own words will never play a different way.We have a structure in place now and a blueprint by INEOS Wilcox and Berrada.
This is the painful period so we just have to embrace it, better than another 10 years of crap.
Disagree with this sentiment that we need super specialized “Amorim players” and they will all be deadwood if he’s sacked. Dorgu, Quenda, Heaven, Chido, Kone, Ugarte, and even rumored targets like Gyokeres/Cunha/etc are all very versatile in the type of systems they can play. Ugarte is probably the most specialized of anyone and even he can also be a standard double pivot shin kicker if needed.Knowing how broke we are, it was a terrible call to go for a dogmatic manager with an exotic style mid season.
It won't work without heavy investment, and even then it might likely fail and leave us with a new badge of deadwood. Our footballing structure doesn't deserve the name
Why do people keep talking about Quenda as if he's already signed?Disagree with this sentiment that we need super specialized “Amorim players” and they will all be deadwood if he’s sacked. Dorgu, Quenda, Heaven, Chido, Kone, Ugarte, and even rumored targets like Gyokeres/Cunha/etc are all very versatile in the type of systems they can play. Ugarte is probably the most specialized of anyone and even he can also be a standard double pivot shin kicker if needed.
Yeah it's an interesting idea. Hire someone as similar as possible to the previous failureWhy do we always hire managers that are so different from one another?
I swear every manager post Fergie was the complete opposite from the previous one in terms of playing style.
Moyes > Van gaal > Mourinho > Ole > ETH > Amorim
Why do we do that to ourselves? Each one came with new principles and new players required. And you just know it that the next manager will be playing a different system and we'll end up trying to accommodate all the WBs and 10s we've signed to fit the current system.
I feel like each time we go all in, in the hope that this is the one. But that's no way to run a club in the modern era.
Rant over.
It also goes against the fans. We watch this team play for fun, I think. Different reasons for supporting the club, but when it comes to match day, that's entertainment -- except it isn't when you can say, hey, it doesn't matter if you lose the remaining 14 matches in the league, it's a write-off anyway. Fans don't want to see the team get humiliated. And the logic is we are allowing the humiliation now so that next year we will win games. Well, we can win games now if we set up differently with these same fecking players.Knowing how broke we are, it was a terrible call to go for a dogmatic manager with an exotic style mid season.
It won't work without heavy investment, and even then it might likely fail and leave us with a new badge of deadwood. Our footballing structure doesn't deserve the name
Just an assumption and reading the tea leaves, but no he hasn’t actually signed of course.Why do people keep talking about Quenda as if he's already signed?
I know there's a lot of talk about a summer move for him, but I'd have thought that put him in the other group (in the above post) along with other 'rumoured summer targets'?
Have I missed an announcement that it's all signed and sealed, or does he still just remain a transfer target?
We have not had ownership direction until know. We have not had ABY medium term planning. That is why our recruitment from manager to players has not been coherent as a strategy. We have repeatedly changed footballing direction every 2.5 years since SAF retired. Resulting in simply having another go after another around the round about. Hopefully this set of football controllers have learnt the lesson. United should not change its football style nor formation for the next decade even if and Amorim doesn't last "the whole 9 yards".Why do we always hire managers that are so different from one another?
I swear every manager post Fergie was the complete opposite from the previous one in terms of playing style.
Moyes > Van gaal > Mourinho > Ole > ETH > Amorim
Why do we do that to ourselves? Each one came with new principles and new players required. And you just know it that the next manager will be playing a different system and we'll end up trying to accommodate all the WBs and 10s we've signed to fit the current system.
I feel like each time we go all in, in the hope that this is the one. But that's no way to run a club in the modern era.
Rant over.
Currently, the concept is closer to 3, though, but if you play Dalot, Malacia, Mazraoui moulds there, it's 5. Amad would've been closer to a 3-atb system, but I hope he gets more creative responsibilities if/as he keeps improving. But that's harder to pull off - especially if the "WCB" positions can't really cover the fullback area. Shaw (if he really exists) could do it, Maz could do it, Licha could do it after some getting used to (again). But De Ligt and Maguire really need some type of fullback mould in wingback in case they're not "CCB" ~ me thinks ~ And then hopefully a high stamina winger mould WB does the trick, but someone like Amad (or Bernardo/Grealish a few years ago at City)? So if Maz can't play RCB I don't think we can play Amad over someone more RWB rather than RMF. Detailed difference, but big enough to leave less room for creative players in specific positions. Just as it's easier to have Bruno in CM if your CBs (and SMFs/WBs?) Can do more of a job defensively.Let’s be clear… we’re currently playing 5 at the back.
Yeah it is starting to look like a mistake to trust that our fanbase has any patience at all.
I hope Amorim manages to ignore it. He's getting hammered by the press, but I'd imagine it's the lack of support from the usual suspects among the fans which will really make it tough for him.
Ten Hag's name was sung even during his last match in charge. This fanbase is surprisingly patient. What they don't accept is bullshit excuses. We are currently in the "waiting to be impreshed" phase.Honestly man, we've supported every manager post fergie. You can accuse this fanbase of anything, but a lack of patience can't be one of them.
