1) Eminem
2) Kanye West
3) Timbaland
4) Outcast
5) Lupe Fiasco
2) Kanye West
3) Timbaland
4) Outcast
5) Lupe Fiasco
Hip-Hop/Rap Poll - Vote For Your Favourites
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Ecantona..... when did you start listening to Hip Hop, 1994?
2Pac is a rap legend that was built up because of the media storm connected with East and West Coast. 2Pac as an actual rapper isn't even rated in the top 20 of all time, let alone a top 5, in terms of ability. All of the below SHIT on 2Pac, Easy E, and most of the list that has been provided so far.
Ghostface Killah
Blackstarr
Eric B & Rakim
KRS-One
Pete Rock
LL Cool J (Pre-90's)
Common
Talib Kweli
Jay-Z
A Tribe Called Quest
Mobb Deep
Outkast (Stankonia and before)
J-Live
The Gift of Gab (or Blackaliscious)
Big Daddy Kane
De La Soul
Guru
The Roots
Kanye (College Dropout)
Wu-Tang
Q-Tip
Redman
2Pac is a rap legend that was built up because of the media storm connected with East and West Coast. 2Pac as an actual rapper isn't even rated in the top 20 of all time, let alone a top 5, in terms of ability. All of the below SHIT on 2Pac, Easy E, and most of the list that has been provided so far.
Ghostface Killah
Blackstarr
Eric B & Rakim
KRS-One
Pete Rock
LL Cool J (Pre-90's)
Common
Talib Kweli
Jay-Z
A Tribe Called Quest
Mobb Deep
Outkast (Stankonia and before)
J-Live
The Gift of Gab (or Blackaliscious)
Big Daddy Kane
De La Soul
Guru
The Roots
Kanye (College Dropout)
Wu-Tang
Q-Tip
Redman
Got to agree with you on Tupac, I think he's shite
He is.... Anyone who listens to hip hop other than watching MTV Base would fecking know this.
All you Tupac bashers can feck off,the emotion he portrayed in his lyrics were second to none. He was a poet, a man not held down by the world around him,he was who he was.Yes his messages were contradictary at times but thats what connected him to the ordinary joe who listen to his raps
1. 2pac
2. Jay-Z
3. Run DMC
4. Public Enemy
5. N.W.A
2. Jay-Z
3. Run DMC
4. Public Enemy
5. N.W.A
this has to be the dumbest posts I've read on this forum. Either that or you're clearly on windup. Proceed with your idiotic ramblings.Well said, lem8sh. Also, great pick with your Big L. Next thing you know, people will say Big L was shit too
Gone down the pan
sure has. I wouldn't have replied but I had to cause some of the stuff being said by hoof in this thread is truly spastic.
Boring! As if we hadn't heard enough about Dre, cars (namely "six-fo's"), guns and hoes. Name dropping does not constitute a good rapper!
Well, but still thousand times better than to count 50 Cent to that list, really.
I rate The Game, but he would also never make it into the thop 25 or sth.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=6mTPPDzeE2Y
Wicked remix
Wicked remix
Let's cut the myth with Tupac, here. Ecantona, you're response is bullshit and you know I'm right. Pac is garbage lyrically. He may have passion and emotion in what he's saying, but how his flow is atrocious, his wordplay, use of metaphors. Poet? Not even close..... He's a decent storyteller who had bags of charisma, that's all.
These three things made him what he was...
(1)His beef with everyone and getting into trouble
(2)Him joining Death Row & piggyback riding off of Dr.Dre & Snoop's fame at the time
(3)His death put him into public eye and escalating his fame.
All this made people forget about him having average rhyming skills but great presence in his flow which I don't feel but others do.
Be honest, Pac was average. His legend is only perpetuated by his death. A modern day black James Dean if you will. His fame through his death made people look into his music. Media, media, media, hype, hype, hype......but let's forget about the fact that he's average at best, being lauded as one of the Greatest, whilst actual GENIUS' go ignored.
These three things made him what he was...
(1)His beef with everyone and getting into trouble
(2)Him joining Death Row & piggyback riding off of Dr.Dre & Snoop's fame at the time
(3)His death put him into public eye and escalating his fame.
All this made people forget about him having average rhyming skills but great presence in his flow which I don't feel but others do.
Be honest, Pac was average. His legend is only perpetuated by his death. A modern day black James Dean if you will. His fame through his death made people look into his music. Media, media, media, hype, hype, hype......but let's forget about the fact that he's average at best, being lauded as one of the Greatest, whilst actual GENIUS' go ignored.
You're a fan and yet you haven't given me any kind of response. Why is he classic? Why is he one of the best? A top 5? Tell me...... You're a fan, you should be able to ration a response....
Better yet, give me a few lyrics off the top of your head to back up the claim.
Pac wasn't even the best of his period, let ALONE of all time.
how old are you and name your top 5? I'm not going to partake in any discussion with you until you do these. You're clearly on wind-up and are talking out of your ass, you're not gonna bait me with your clear bullshit.
nah I know where you're coming from, but I just think he still has passion in his rhymes whereas the likes of 50 Cent, etc just tail off after a bit of success...
26, and my top five would be incredibly biased based on the fact that my preference in hip hop leans heavily towards soulful and jazzy Hip Hop, and in all likeliness you wouldn't have heard of them, most likely. however, just to play the game, here is my top 5 Emcee's........
5. Andre 3000 (his flow in Outkast's albums up until Stankonia is undeniable)
4. Jay-Z (many classic albums, consistent performer)
3. Nas (Talented, and he wrote Illmatic)
2. KRS-One (Nuff Said)
1. Rakim (As above)
That's a bit unfair. I'm not 50's biggest fan, but he's not exactly tailing off either. He released his album the same time as Kanye did, and Kanye won. If not for Kanye's duel-release, there would have been more emphasis on 50's album this year.
1. 2Pac - Would Hip Hop be mainstream had he and Bigs not died, me thinks not
2. Outkast - Perfect pairing, the pure speed and brilliance of Big Boi combined with the wacky innovation of Andre 3000, (almost broke up before Ms. Jackson because they werent getting enough success, thank F they didnt)
3. Eminem - Love this guy, 2Pac and Biggie brought it to the main stream, but Eminem made it that much bigger by bringing it to white America
4. Snoop Dogg (he was fecking brilliant in the early 90s and still is every now and then) Ironic isn't 1,2, 3, and to the 4 Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr, Dre is at the door
5. Nasir Jones
6. Biggie - as talented as any on here, just didnt get enough out of him sadly
Shout outs too
Dre
Jay-Z
Ice Cube
2. Outkast - Perfect pairing, the pure speed and brilliance of Big Boi combined with the wacky innovation of Andre 3000, (almost broke up before Ms. Jackson because they werent getting enough success, thank F they didnt)
3. Eminem - Love this guy, 2Pac and Biggie brought it to the main stream, but Eminem made it that much bigger by bringing it to white America
4. Snoop Dogg (he was fecking brilliant in the early 90s and still is every now and then) Ironic isn't 1,2, 3, and to the 4 Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr, Dre is at the door
5. Nasir Jones
6. Biggie - as talented as any on here, just didnt get enough out of him sadly
Shout outs too
Dre
Jay-Z
Ice Cube
1. 2pac
2. nas
3. outkast
4. mos def
5. wu tang
2. nas
3. outkast
4. mos def
5. wu tang
Good call on the Wu-Tang, although imo they disappointed in the end, RIP ODB
1. 2Pac - Would Hip Hop be mainstream had he and Bigs not died, me thinks not
Disagree. Hip hop came to the mainstream for many reasons. One of them was because of the death's of Pac and Biggie. Secondly, Rap has decided to become soft and merge with then radio friendly modern r&b to where Emcee's decided it would be better to sing instead of rap, as well as the ever increasing amount of artists that now feel the need to have collaborations with r&b singers on albums.
2. Outkast - Perfect pairing, the pure speed and brilliance of Big Boi combined with the wacky innovation of Andre 3000, (almost broke up before Ms. Jackson because they werent getting enough success, thank F they didnt)
They sold shit loads in the States. It's amazing that people started listening to Outkast at a time when they were making the worst music in their careers. Where were these fans during Southernplayalisticadillacfunkymuzik, ATLiens, Aquemini and Stankonia?
3. Eminem - Love this guy, 2Pac and Biggie brought it to the main stream, but Eminem made it that much bigger by bringing it to white America.
He's undeniably talented but he's overhyped due to the fact that the majority of hip hop buyers are actually white and also because it was a way for white teens to get into hip hop without actually "trying to be black". You try being white and listening to hip hop before Em. You got fecking slated for it!
4. Snoop Dogg (he was fecking brilliant in the early 90s and still is every now and then) Ironic isn't 1,2, 3, and to the 4 Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr, Dre is at the door
No arguments there. Not sure about a top 5, but infleuntial enough to be in the top 10 perhaps.
Disagree. Hip hop came to the mainstream for many reasons. One of them was because of the death's of Pac and Biggie. Secondly, Rap has decided to become soft and merge with then radio friendly modern r&b to where Emcee's decided it would be better to sing instead of rap, as well as the ever increasing amount of artists that now feel the need to have collaborations with r&b singers on albums.
2. Outkast - Perfect pairing, the pure speed and brilliance of Big Boi combined with the wacky innovation of Andre 3000, (almost broke up before Ms. Jackson because they werent getting enough success, thank F they didnt)
They sold shit loads in the States. It's amazing that people started listening to Outkast at a time when they were making the worst music in their careers. Where were these fans during Southernplayalisticadillacfunkymuzik, ATLiens, Aquemini and Stankonia?
3. Eminem - Love this guy, 2Pac and Biggie brought it to the main stream, but Eminem made it that much bigger by bringing it to white America.
He's undeniably talented but he's overhyped due to the fact that the majority of hip hop buyers are actually white and also because it was a way for white teens to get into hip hop without actually "trying to be black". You try being white and listening to hip hop before Em. You got fecking slated for it!
4. Snoop Dogg (he was fecking brilliant in the early 90s and still is every now and then) Ironic isn't 1,2, 3, and to the 4 Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr, Dre is at the door
No arguments there. Not sure about a top 5, but infleuntial enough to be in the top 10 perhaps.
I completely agree about Outkast, they have been off the kilter for the most part lately that said the Love Below/SpeakerBoxx was an incredible album; Don't know many hip hop acts that win album of the year
They are my favorite 5, if it was the best it would be Biggie, Pac, Nas, and Jay Hova (talking about the hip hop era)
True what you say about oukast their earlier stuff should have got more recognition they were on top form back then,still great rappers but more inovative in their musical tastes/direction now.My fav album of theirs will always be atliens got it for a fiver years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z5_ZaEOrCI
umm, I used to like 50 Cent and the whole G-Unit thing, but I just can't stad them now, I honestly think they've tailed off and took success for granted and came out with really weak stuff...Curtis is awful!!
agreed. I also have much respect for The Game.
Hoof the Ball you talk as if rap is all about delivery and lyrics if thats the case, Bacharach is the best ever artist ever, ever, ever right? Using the logic of a retarded spider monkey is never wise, 2Pac was much, much more than a rapper and you say he doesn't make the top 20 lists, I think you'll find MTV and various magazine's often place him as...no.1 These include rapper's who you say are far technically better which may be true - fact is Pac is the highest selling rap artist ever, with much more than fancy wordplay his lyrics do something the ones you mention hardly ever do.
2Pac's lyrics influenced many of the rapper's you talk about, 2Pac's lyrics touch millions of people, you talk about him being hyped through beef, I guess you missed the whole Ether/Got ** self a Gun NaS V Jay-Z beef right? Ability counts for nothing if you're voice is shit, I think you'll find 2Pac had one of the better, more emotional voices of any rapper so maybe he wasn't technically astounding but, 2Pac = Rap and every rapper you mentioned would agree.
2Pac's lyrics influenced many of the rapper's you talk about, 2Pac's lyrics touch millions of people, you talk about him being hyped through beef, I guess you missed the whole Ether/Got ** self a Gun NaS V Jay-Z beef right? Ability counts for nothing if you're voice is shit, I think you'll find 2Pac had one of the better, more emotional voices of any rapper so maybe he wasn't technically astounding but, 2Pac = Rap and every rapper you mentioned would agree.
That's the point! MTV has him on their top 20 lists. That's the kind of regurgitated lists that I don't like. They have no credibility as they only list those hip hop artists that are the most popstar-esque. Zero credibility. What I'm saying about Pac is that the only thing that Pac had going for him as a rapper was that he had an abundance on charisma and he was in the right place at the right time during a phase of media-highlighted coverage of all things east and west coast battle related. Suppose Pac had come around at any other time in Hip Hop. When there was no East and West Coast beef. We wouldn't even be discussing this issue right now.
Who did Pac have a real influence on? I've lived in both America and England and I can tell you that the vast majority of black hip hop fans don't even rate Pac in their top 50. The vast majority of Pac fans were teen, white, surburban kids who clicked onto Pac because of the media frenzy involved after his death. Pac isn't respected and listened to because he's the best. He's listened to because he's accessible to a majority white audience via MTV. If MTV vote him no.1 then they have zero credibility, because that would be disrespecting so many others that were far, far, far better, more consistent, talented, not to mention had better technical assets. LL Cool J (24 years and still going). Do many people know of his work before 1995? Probably not!
You're wrong...
KRS-One was Rap, end of discussion.
Well this is just opinion (like everything) but I mean what fact are you basing this on, did you go around asking black people you're top 50 rappers? I think not, and MTV was just one method I said, the others were rap magazine printed and published by people within the rap world, 2Pac created a media frenzy around himself, and if all these other rappers are so talented but haven't sold 3% as many records as Tupac, they aren't as talented (especially voice wise), and about the 1995 point so what if people aren't familiar with his work before MATW, it's not like every artist creates astounding albums, cos I know for a fact jay-z and NaS have had shit albums, and I like them both. If the East Cost West Coast war didn't happen, 'Pac would still be alive, probably still producing music and acting...and Rap would not have turned into the complete shit it has today...And it wasn't actually MTV's verdict, they asked rapper's who they thought and Tupac came out on top.
EDIT: I've actually realised aswell that point is very anti-white, as if white kids from the burbs aren't allowed to form an opinion on rap, so what if 2Pac's audience was mainly white? Does that mean he was less of a rapper? I mean, you're implying they all jumped on the bandwagon because he died, you're forgetting Until the End of Time was the highest selling hip-hop album of 2001, 5 years after his death, pretty big bandwagon? You should also note AOEM and MATW sold huge amounts, probably more than any rap album of its period and he wasn't dead at that point, so is this due to a lack of talent? I mean you wanna hear clever wordplay and lyrics go listen to Immortal Technique.
Don`t know that much about hip hop but here it goes:
1) Dre
2) Jay - Z
3) Getoboys (only because of "We don`t talk to police", which I like)
4) Rick Ross
5) Kanye West, not even sure if he`s a hippety hopper anymore, still decent music IMO.
1) Dre
2) Jay - Z
3) Getoboys (only because of "We don`t talk to police", which I like)
4) Rick Ross
5) Kanye West, not even sure if he`s a hippety hopper anymore, still decent music IMO.
Not really into rap too much, as shown below, but here...
1.Eminem - he got me into it
2.Dre - Genius both with his songs and his mixing
3.2pac - lyrically great
4.Snoop - He's Snoop
5.NWA - feck the police...
1.Eminem - he got me into it
2.Dre - Genius both with his songs and his mixing
3.2pac - lyrically great
4.Snoop - He's Snoop
5.NWA - feck the police...
Its hard and you will have other ideas but the thread is just asking you what your best 5 rap/hip-hop artists are. This is personal to you in whatever way you wish to judge, there are no select criteria that your choices must have.
I cannot ignore what 2pac has done myself, I like so many of his tracks and for many reasons whether the lyrics the beat or whatever.
I may rate somebody like say Talib Kweli lyrically and because of his style but I can't put him in the top 5 instead of someone like Tupac and Biggy considering what they have done. The same with Dre and his chronic albums and his producing side.
You may not agree with any of my choices or some of the others but I don't watch MTV and read magazines all day long myself, I just go off what I've heard. Personally, I don't like Jay Z anymore and interestingly I think he had turned into that pop stuff myself (e.g.. songs with Beyonce).
I cannot ignore what 2pac has done myself, I like so many of his tracks and for many reasons whether the lyrics the beat or whatever.
I may rate somebody like say Talib Kweli lyrically and because of his style but I can't put him in the top 5 instead of someone like Tupac and Biggy considering what they have done. The same with Dre and his chronic albums and his producing side.
You may not agree with any of my choices or some of the others but I don't watch MTV and read magazines all day long myself, I just go off what I've heard. Personally, I don't like Jay Z anymore and interestingly I think he had turned into that pop stuff myself (e.g.. songs with Beyonce).
2Pac all the time, he was the real deal...
My second choice would be Nate Dogg
My second choice would be Nate Dogg
Is MTV everything you base your opinion on? Whatever they do, do you do the opposite? Where do hip-hip magazines have him ranked feckwit? Where do they have him ranked in terms of the greatest or let me guess hip-hop magazines don’t have any credibility either?
So if we go by what you said, then rakim, nas, krs-one, biggie, Eminem, and LL Cool J are all garbage rappers because they have been fed by MTV also. They are on MTV’s list of greatest MC’s so they are all shit too then.
Are you really this stupid or just playing dumb? The only thing he had was charisma and was there at the right place at the right time?
Have you listened to his albums before he blew up?
Those are lyrically on another level. Tracks such as Panther Power, Let Knowledge Drop, Soulja’s Story, Crooked Ass Nigga, If My Homie Calls, Brenda’s Got A Baby, Rebel Of A Underground, and this is all before his Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z album.
And I’m not even going to get in his tracks from other albums.
A better question would be who he DIDN’T have an influence on?
Where did you live in the states? You’re clearly talking shit. Tupac Amaru Shakur is a god-like figure in Compton and the rest of California. And yes, it may be hard for you to understand but the population of the west coast DOES include black people, white people, Hispanics, and other Latin countries. This may probably come as a shock to you.
Do you even know what it means to be considered a god-like figure? You’re talking fecking shit when you say he isn’t rated in the top-50 by majority of black people. And we’re only talking about the west coast here. In other parts of the states he is loved just as much. Hand on heart, I’ve only met one person who has not rated 2pac as one of the greatest who has appropriately laughed at by the rest of us when I was going to college. In Toronto, which is where I am, (Toronto is considered a mini-NY) he is considered one of the greatest of all-time and as I just said I’ve only met one person who hasn’t rated 2pac as one of the greatest.
Another stupid comment. See above where I replied to your drivel. Why bring up MTV again? Is that the only music channel you watch? Seriously, what is with your constant obsession with MTV? You’ve brought them up like 5 times in your argument (if that’s what you even want to call it). No-one except for you gives two fecks about MTV as far as my concerned. We all have ears and we have all listened to his songs and I assure you liking pac has feckall to do with MTV, you fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
Also, anyone that thinks pac wasn’t consistent or talented is a fecking moron.
At the end of the day, in the future (50 years from now), if hip-hop is still alive then, anyone that wants to listen to the greatest rappers of all-time will listen to the likes of Tupac Amaru Shakur.
2pac is one of the greatest, end of.
Is MTV everything you base your opinion on? Whatever they do, do you do the opposite? Where do hip-hip magazines have him ranked feckwit? Where do they have him ranked in terms of the greatest or let me guess hip-hop magazines don’t have any credibility either?
So if we go by what you said, then rakim, nas, krs-one, biggie, Eminem, and LL Cool J are all garbage rappers because they have been fed by MTV also. They are on MTV’s list of greatest MC’s so they are all shit too then.
Are you really this stupid or just playing dumb? The only thing he had was charisma and was there at the right place at the right time?
Have you listened to his albums before he blew up?
Those are lyrically on another level. Tracks such as Panther Power, Let Knowledge Drop, Soulja’s Story, Crooked Ass Nigga, If My Homie Calls, Brenda’s Got A Baby, Rebel Of A Underground, and this is all before his Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z album.
And I’m not even going to get in his tracks from other albums.
A better question would be who he DIDN’T have an influence on?
Tupac Amaru Shakur is a god-like figure in Compton and the rest of California. And yes, it may be hard for you to understand but the population of the west coast DOES include black people, white people, Hispanics, and other Latin countries. This may probably come as a shock to you.
Do you even know what it means to be considered a god-like figure? You’re talking fecking shit when you say he isn’t rated in the top-50 by majority of black people. And we’re only talking about the west coast here. In other parts of the states he is loved just as much. Hand on heart, I’ve only met one person who has not rated 2pac as one of the greatest who has appropriately laughed at by the rest of us when I was going to college. In Toronto, which is where I am, (Toronto is considered a mini-NY) he is considered one of the greatest of all-time and as I just said I’ve only met one person who hasn’t rated 2pac as one of the greatest.
Why bring up MTV again? Is that the only music channel you watch? Seriously, what is with your constant obsession with MTV? You’ve brought them up like 5 times in your argument (if that’s what you even want to call it). No-one except for you gives two fecks about MTV as far as my concerned. We all have ears and we have all listened to his songs and I assure you liking pac has feckall to do with MTV, you fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
Also, anyone that thinks pac wasn’t consistent or talented is a fecking moron.
At the end of the day, in the future (50 years from now), if hip-hop is still alive then, anyone that wants to listen to the greatest rappers of all-time will listen to the likes of Tupac Amaru Shakur.
2pac is one of the greatest, end of.
A bit harsh, but I agree with you, as far as your arguments are concerned..
Not a massive Rap fan but would be interested to know how the Beastie Boys are regarded by Rap fans.
I was a huge fan of theirs when I was a kid.
I was a huge fan of theirs when I was a kid.
Top 5 is fecking difficult...
Wu-Tang Clan (especially Ghostface and GZA)
Big L
Biggie
Big Pun
Kool G Rap
Honourable mentions to Mobb Deep, Nas, Rakim, OutKast, Gang Starr, Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One, Ice Cube and A Tribe Called Quest.
Wu-Tang Clan (especially Ghostface and GZA)
Big L
Biggie
Big Pun
Kool G Rap
Honourable mentions to Mobb Deep, Nas, Rakim, OutKast, Gang Starr, Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One, Ice Cube and A Tribe Called Quest.