Musk | Fascist

Vivek being sidelined has also not been covered enough in my opinion.

Nope, it hasn't. Yet again Trump clouds the media reporting with his fecking bullshit, much of which is just a spur of the moment thought or some bollocks he's thought sounds good. Meanwhile the truly disgusting and dangerous policies he puts through get lost. Those with serious implications and potentially massively detrimental outcomes for people, the environment, the economy or even world peace all get lost under the mountain of shit or like the reporters who asked him yesterday if the Diet Coke button had been put back in to place in the Oval Office. FFS.

Musk's Nazi salute was also a massive help in burying more important stories. If he actually planned that on purpose to not only enrage people but to steal the headlines for days then he's definitely more dangerous than I already think he is.
 
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Creepy cnut.

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Why is he seemingly on a world tour of spreading racism? “Cancel culture” was better than this full annd open acceptance of rotten values.
 
Why is he seemingly on a world tour of spreading racism? “Cancel culture” was better than this full annd open acceptance of rotten values.

Not sure it’s much more complicated than right wing parties help him and his companies make more money (and therefore gain more power/influence), and right wing people are more likely to be racist/transphobic/etc., and so are easily influenced by focusing on them. Typical populist nonsense.
 
Why is he seemingly on a world tour of spreading racism? “Cancel culture” was better than this full annd open acceptance of rotten values.
Genuinely looks to me like Trump and Musk have a common and determined goal to help further the rise of illiberal democracies, if not downright fascism, in as much of the world as possible during the next four years, and that there is a clear plan on how to go about it. I’m not usually one for fear-mongering but this has me sleepless at night lately.
 
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Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.
 
Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.
Gen X voted the hardest for Trump if I recall correctly.
 
Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.

Haven't looked too closely for a while, but my impressions from polling in the US:
Younger Gen Z are split by gender. Younger millennials/older Gen Z are left-wing. Older millennials/Gen X are quite solidly right. Boomers are of course right, and are Trump's base, but actually less now than in 2016.

Some similarities and differences in Europe. The far-right parties (Le Pen, AfD) do best among the young voters... as do the far-left and sometimes the Greens. I would guess, again, gender and race play a role in which young voter goes to which side. Polls show this sharp youth vote polarisation in many European countries - France, the Nordics, sometimes Germany and Italy.

In France, Le Pen is basically being held back by the retirees, who vote for Macron or the traditional right in massive numbers. They give her and the centre-left a few votes, and nothing for Melenchon. She has a comfortable plurality among people under 50. The far-left has limited appeal among people over 30, but there are enough centrists between 30-60 who accept them as a strategic option to keep her out. It seems like the generation that remembers/was directly told about WW2 has a far-right taboo in France.

In UK, when FPTP forced a far-leftist on the ballot (Corbyn), he got a massive age gradient in both his elections. More than any election before or since, he collapsed among retirees, and cleaned up among under-40s. The age group that cost him the 2017 election was the 40-65 group, where he got some votes, but needed more to overcome the (editorialising :) ) zombies crushing all hope for a future.
 
Would be interesting to see what generation him and the right wing movements garner the most support from, Gen Z are normally seen as progressive, boomers are close enough to fascism of the world war 2 era and were brought up by the survivors of that era. Maybe gen x? I like to think it isn't my gen (millennial) but a lot have been screwed in terms of economics so maybe that pushed them towards it.

Younger voters, between the ages of 18 and 29 years, moved toward Trump by about 13 percentage points compared to 2020.
He also did better among millennial voters, closing in on Harris, who was ahead by only 1 percentage point.
Among 45- to 64-year-olds, Trump picked up a 10 percentage point lead, compared to the 1- and 8 percentage point lead in 2016 and 2020, respectively.
 
So all that was based on data from 2015-19, when I had hope in politics, and used to follow things. Looking at it now:

In an election that had a collapse for Macron's party (yellow), he still was propped up by retirees. But they do seem *much* more comfortable with the far-right now, as well as the broad-tent left coalition.

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And these two lost chances... won't get a chance again.

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And it's worth noting how much the "left-wing youth" story is gone with Starmer replacing Corbyn. This is an opinion poll from last week, that has LAB+LD+GRN+SNP at 50%, and the Tories+Reform at 31% among under-35s. A comparable number in 2017 would have been about 70-30, with Labour alone almost at 60. Reform has a pretty flat age profile, but Tories and Labour still have the old/young skew. Reform and Labour also have big gender skews.
If I had to guess, their base is young men + disaffected socially-conservative Labour and Tory voters of all ages.
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Not posting US exit polls because they suck. I don't know if Gallup or Pew have released their numbers, which are supposed to be good.
 
I only know the people I know. I'm just shy of 61. My friend group are mostly about the same age with the odd person +/- 10 years. Almost exclusively they hate Trump even if 10% of them might vote right wing.
 
Younger voters, between the ages of 18 and 29 years, moved toward Trump by about 13 percentage points compared to 2020.
He also did better among millennial voters, closing in on Harris, who was ahead by only 1 percentage point.
Among 45- to 64-year-olds, Trump picked up a 10 percentage point lead, compared to the 1- and 8 percentage point lead in 2016 and 2020, respectively.
Basically those that are terminally online are more likely to vote him.
 
I only know the people I know. I'm just shy of 61. My friend group are mostly about the same age with the odd person +/- 10 years. Almost exclusively they hate Trump even if 10% of them might vote right wing.
2 party system, some can learn to live with not liking a leader and still vote for the party.
I care not for either of my major political party leaders and the alternative minors are just off the scale lunatics. But I have to vote for one of them.
Let's face it politics is a tad fecked, it's been long time since there's been an honorable person running the show a heck of a lot of Western countries.
 
Isn't that the opposite of what he just said? Younger people were more likely to vote Harris than older people. They moved towards Trump, but so did everyone else.
Bolded the wrong part. Meant to emphasise the 18-29 year olds, were Trump had huge gains.
 
I’m nearly 26 and an anarchist. I’m actually far-left. But unfortunately as a young (ish) man, I’m an anomaly.
What's the point of being an anarchist? We need authority in the form of a government who creates and maintains public services & institutions and provides safety for its citizens and so forth.
 
Genuinely looks to me like Trump and Musk have a common and determined goal to help further the rise of illiberal democracies, if not downright fascism, in as much of the world as possible during the next four years, and that there is a clear plan on how to go about it. I’m not usually one for fear-mongering but this has me sleepless at night lately.

Is exactly that. In Trump's inagurtion, he didn't invite the Spanish PM (socialist in name center at best), nor the right wing opposition (heirs of Franco) but the 4th more voted party in Spain, the fascistic ideologic party.

And they will do that in any single country. The West will be tested and in 4 years the political spectrum might be apocalyptic