Herr Musk | Fascist

Pogue Mahone said:
That’s what I’m talking about. Automation wiped out most of the working class jobs. AI will do the same to the middle/upper class. Be interesting to see if that has more of an impact on the tech bros driving this revolution. Or will even the best educated turkeys still continue to vote for Christmas?
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JPRouve said:
Yeah. It's interesting but also worrisome because if you push enough people into a corner things will go extremely badly. Currently we are drasticaly reducing manpower in services and manufacturing, what is the mass supposed to do in order to make a living if we continue in that direction? And with more time the least people are required to manage automates and computers. Even in the creative world, we now have AI potentially taking over.
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I work in electrical design. Our work load has increased about 10 times since I started in terms of projects while our employee count has reduced. Reason being we are developing in house modelling/calculation tools, buying external tools to automate a lot of the processes. AI cannot fully take over all the work I do however the automation tools have drastically reduced the number of people required. I at one point had to do calculations using standards, research papers; do integration, differentiation, Laplace transforms, etc. Now I just put data in a tool and it gives me the result. It is making my job dumber and me easier to replace. When things go wrong, you still need an experienced person like me to solve the problem but the data entry work itself can be done by even graduates. There are aspects of my job that at present can't be automated but I am sure people are working on standardizing those aspects to an extent that it just becomes a tick box exercise.

In summary, experienced people with the background knowledge should be ok for a little while but less experienced people will suffer. The second well documented problem is outsourcing and that is only getting worse. My team has stopped hiring in UK and is just hiring in India now.
 
TheLiverBird said:
I think there’s a lot of Karens on here

The amount of good Elon has done in the world

Surely he’s aloud to be a Mazi Fascist if he wants? He’s earned it no?

I hope this is a good enough argument
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Throw in a sensitive or something and you’ve nailed it.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
I work in electrical design. Our work load has increased about 10 times since I started in terms of projects while our employee count has reduced. Reason being we are developing in house modelling/calculation tools, buying external tools to automate a lot of the processes. AI cannot fully take over all the work I do however the automation tools have drastically reduced the number of people required. I at one point had to do calculations using standards, research papers; do integration, differentiation, Laplace transforms, etc. Now I just put data in a tool and it gives me the result. It is making my job dumber and me easier to replace, when things go wrong, you still need an experienced person like me to solve the problem but the data entry work itself can be done by even graduates. There are aspects of my job that at present can't be automated but I am sure people are working on standardizing those aspects to an extent that it just becomes a tick box exercise.

In summary, experienced people with the background knowledge should be ok for a little while but less experienced people will suffer. The second well documented problem is outsourcing and that is only getting worse. My team has stopped hiring in UK and is just hiring in India now.
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Yeah, there will always be some positions that require experience and niche expertise but the issue is for the mass. There are some industries that should be fine for a while, services like retirement homes, funeral parlours, electricians or plumbers but even then there isn't enough work if we drastically automate manufacturing, logistics and the millions of shop workers.
 
Smores said:
Oh come on all his behaviour now or prior to the last four years screams troll and grifter it's not some elusive theory. It's also odd to claim them as a defence as if doing those things whilst spouting fascist talking points is a superior position to just being a fascist, it isn't. The grift at this scale is a relatively new phenomen and it's equally as important to understand because we are heading into a corpocracy/plutocracy if we're not already and it'll be easier to turn the masses against that than claims of fascism which they just don't believe or care about.

It's fine we disagree on the importance of character assassination. I think we both agree on the importance of treating people acting like a fascist as a fascist whatever the underlying cause.
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Okay.
 
Being a tad hypocritical as I only deleted my account yesterday but it does feel weird that people are meme-ing him on the platform he owns, generating traffic and money to it. Just feck it off.
 
SilentWitness said:
Being a tad hypocritical as I only deleted my account yesterday but it does feel weird that people are meme-ing him on the platform he owns, generating traffic and money to it. Just feck it off.
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There’s nothing new about that irony. People have been angrily telling the world what a terrible person he is for years, on Twitter. A platform he finds easier to monetise the more often they use it to angrily tell the world what a terrible person he is.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There’s nothing new about that irony. People have been angrily telling the world what a terrible person he is for years, on Twitter. A platform he finds easier to monetise the more often they use it to angrily tell the world what a terrible person he is.
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For sure, just thought it would be the straw that broke the camel's back in that respect.
 
SilentWitness said:
Being a tad hypocritical as I only deleted my account yesterday but it does feel weird that people are meme-ing him on the platform he owns, generating traffic and money to it. Just feck it off.
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I find the liberal gotcha memes in general utterly tedious these days. There’s a certain poster on here who posts them relentlessly along with a green smilie.

90% of them aren’t even funny and they achieve nothing. There’s zero shame on that side and they don’t understand or appreciate irony. “He’s left the Paris Climate Agreement! Ohhh I could use a Thanos template for this one and own the right! 15k retweets on Musks platform? I think we will count that as a win”
 
Pexbo said:
I find the liberal gotcha memes in general utterly tedious these days. There’s a certain poster on here who posts them relentlessly along with a green smilie.

90% of them aren’t even funny and they achieve nothing. There’s zero shame on that side and they don’t understand or appreciate irony. “He’s left the Paris Climate Agreement! Ohhh I could use a Thanos template for this one and own the right! 15k retweets on Musks platform? I think we will count that as a win”
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I’ve been wondering if meme culture in general has had its moment. Everything has its shelf life and it surely won’t be long before creating and sharing memes is the equivalent to all the grannies posting minions on Facebook?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It might be for a few people. It was for you. But I will never not find it utterly bizarre how often his most outspoken critics continue to put money in his pocket. Might as well go all in and buy a fecking Tesla.
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hi again.

In a Fidelity prospectus released last week, the financial giant reports its investment in Musk’s purchase of Twitter in October 2022, worth nearly $20 million at the time, had declined in value to $4.2 million as of the end of August 2024. That was down 24% from the previous month and reflects a value drop of a staggering 79% from the time Musk bought the platform. Extrapolating Fidelity’s loss shows an X valuation of around $9.2 billion currently.

While Musk has added new ways for X to make money, like charging for premium memberships, the company’s primary source of income, advertising revenue, has hit the skids during his tenure as owner.
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Though it will be interesting to see if this advertising slowdown continues while Musk and his ideas become the official state ideology.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’ve been wondering if meme culture in general has had its moment. Everything has its shelf life and it surely won’t be long before creating and sharing memes is the equivalent to all the grannies posting minions on Facebook?
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It's not like some fad though its a new form of expression

your equivalence doesn't fit because facebook has been replaced in the cultural zeitgeist for the younger generation

what will replace memes?
 
berbatrick said:
hi again.



Though it will be interesting to see if this advertising slowdown continues while Musk and his ideas become the official state ideology.
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That doesn't really counter my point. It's no surprise that Musk's toxic presence has put a dent in advertising revenue but his company still needs that revenue to survive. And everyone who uses the site contributes to the metrics used to sell to advertisers.
 
Raulduke said:
Elon Musk agrees with tweet accusing Jewish people of ‘hatred against whites’

Yes let's all give the benefit of the doubt to this guy.
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A lot of those Jewish groups are bastards. When it comes to Gaza or any deviance from the "Israel right to defend itself" they attack in the most disgusting of ways, all protesters. Using injunctions against freedom of speech (literally anti-constitutional in the US and often getting away with it on campuses and so on). The ADL is not the worst of them (good civil rights history). But I do recall them being cnuts.

The thing is that they demonstrate their hatred toward Palestinians, mostly, not white people being that they most white themselves (European-Semitic for the most part).

Also, why do people keep posting tweets or whatever they're called now when there are 400 pages in a thread dedicated to how shit the thing is (which it is) and how shit the owner is (I give him none of my time either way).
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I’ve been wondering if meme culture in general has had its moment. Everything has its shelf life and it surely won’t be long before creating and sharing memes is the equivalent to all the grannies posting minions on Facebook?
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I don’t think so, it’s a form of communication that requires you to understand the meta and the format. The meta is constantly changing and new formats appear so will always be current and old meta and formats become tired.

E.g. taking a sound bite and turning it into a remix track is a seriously tired format, it doesn’t matter what the meta is (super old meta example being “Charlie bit me”).


There’s already zoomer meme formats and meta which go way over my head. Meanwhile I was at my partners parents for Christmas and they had some friends visit someone mentioned an eye test and one of them made a Dominic Cummings “Durham” joke. I was astounded.
 
Tarrou said:
It's not like some fad though its a new form of expression

your equivalence doesn't fit because facebook has been replaced in the cultural zeitgeist for the younger generation

what will replace memes?
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Haven't a clue. Just spit-balling here!

I've a couple of kids in their early teens who have zero interest in creating or sharing the sort of memes we're discussing here. So I'm partly extrapolating from there. It might even be because the still image itself becomes outdated in the post-Tiktok era? When I talk about memes here I'm thinking of the classic <still image + text> format.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That doesn't really counter my point. It's no surprise that Musk's toxic presence has put a dent in advertising revenue but his company still needs that revenue to survive. And everyone who uses the site contributes to the metrics used to sell to advertisers.
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copy-pasting an earlier answer here:

berbatrick said:
The correlation between non-checkie user -> twitter revenue is murky, especially given that they seem to be moving from an ad-based to a subscription-based model (at which point I'm out)
Even if it is a more direct correlation, I think this analogy works:
I don't eat meat because I think the animal ag industry is immoral and harmful to the environment. I buy my food from restaurants and supermarkets that sell meat. So, I'm actively funding their animal-killing agenda (even if the hope is that the cumulative effect of vegetarianism causes them to reduce their meat stock). Unless I start growing my own food, I have to be ok with this much "contamination".
At the same time, I wouldn't go to a meat-focused shop (there's one near my house) even if it does have some things I eat. Same way I wouldn't want to go to Rumble or whatever, which is totally taken for and by them.
I have a few hundred people I follow and a few dozen mutuals and don't have to wander into the blue check wastelands most of the time.
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e - I considered this a thoughtful look at what complicity means, within and outside twitter. As a vegetarian online, there are inevitably debates about it (I used to do a ton here about 10 years ago), which means I've had to think about similar questions a fair bit of my life.
I got a pretty hostile response to this post originally, by one of the people who clashed with you on the Musk gesture. It's disappointing when a sincere post written without hostility, gets no engagement except hostile dismissiveness.

e again - On the other hand, I think there is a very very direct link between my taxes, paid to the US, and genocide. There is not much doubt about complicity, in fact, the amount of death I have caused can probably be quantified. But this also is a type of complicity that the twitter renouncers don't seem to be interested in.
 
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You are making the plattform relevant by being there. Whether you post, view or share. You are it's energy.
 
berbatrick said:
copy-pasting an earlier answer here:
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The supermarket analogy doesn't really work because you'd starve to death if you couldn't buy food where everyone else buys food. To me the baffling bit is what sort of value Twitter can bring to anyone's life that couldn't be sacrificed once it's established that the guy who owns/runs the company is basically a nazi? Even more so now everyone keeps saying what a horrible place it has become to spend time on. What does starving to death look like in this context?
 
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