Not at all considering the talent he has. He should be doing much much better. It's so easy to please some apparently.
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Atrocious performance - hopefully Mourinho left him on not to hurt his confidence. Not only missed 2 good chances but, when the Basel player got the yellow, he was poor in his decision making and happened more than a few times and their best chance came from him for no reason giving the ball straight to a Basel player.
He can be heck of a player for us this season but, can't afford another game like this
He can be heck of a player for us this season but, can't afford another game like this
Yes but he's a no10 in the sense he plays behind the primary striker just as Mikhi does. He'll play a bit higher up than Mikhi / closer to Lukaku but he drops back like a CM when he's not on the ball which is nice to have in a player as top calibre as him.
And I disagree and think you're mistaken. Lukaku is Rooney's replacement, he's a specialist who plays up front and nothing else really. Griezmann like Mikhi plays behind the primary striker so I'd assume he'd be Mikhi's replacement if bought.
I forgive him.
Reminds me of giggs' later years. Loses the ball often because he is always trying to create. Frustrating but then pulls of an amazing through ball or run.
I would bench him for a few games if we could afford it. Good player, but needs to simply do better. Losing the ball at times is fine, but he overdoes it. So much talent but he wastes it at times. I still prefer him to Mata though, but Mkhi can do so much better.
He's had an excellent start to the league season. Racked up 5 assists from 13 key passes (would be better if it wasn't for wasteful finishing) and generally been our most productive player. I'm pleased with that output so far.
He needs to start scoring granted...and he was wasteful at times tonight but everyone has off days. It's still early in the season and he's pushed on from the poor start to his career here.
Could've done something good a few times, but just bundled into defenders instead of doing it.
I do think at times he needs to make the pass. He tries that thing Suarez does where he forces his way past a defender but today it didnt work. And he kept trying it.
I do think hes better through the middle though than out wide.
Dont think he was terrible, but dont think he was good either. Just a mixed bag.
I do think hes better through the middle though than out wide.
Dont think he was terrible, but dont think he was good either. Just a mixed bag.
Statistically, he's been impressive but his presence and actual performances have been consistently average.
Lost count at the amount of times he lost the ball tonight. Agree with others, he's a frustrating player because he can so good and awful at the same time.
Besides his stats, I haven't been too impressed with his overall play.
Besides his stats, I haven't been too impressed with his overall play.
This forum has a real problem with creative players attempting creative things.
Mata / Mkhi and Pogba are forever getting it up the teeth.
The answer isn't always to move the fecking ball quicker.
Apparently you can dribble but that's that. Otherwise you keep it simple so you can pass it quicker to the dribblers.
Mata / Mkhi and Pogba are forever getting it up the teeth.
The answer isn't always to move the fecking ball quicker.
Apparently you can dribble but that's that. Otherwise you keep it simple so you can pass it quicker to the dribblers.
Fair enough but I think it's a harsh assessment of him.
In my view you simply can't be so statistically impressive by putting in average performances. He's on the field to provide for the team and he has been doing that. He always looks for space and demands the ball, is that not presence? He is a creative player....as a consequence he takes more risks in the final third. He should have had another assist at Stoke and he has been responsible for providing more key chances for the team than anyone thus far.
He can do better sure. Tonight it didn't quite come off for him in the key moments but if it had it would have solidified his impressive start to the campaign.
If Fellaini can receive solid praise for his efforts then surely some can be reserved for his guy.
I disagree with this, at least in the sense that attempting creative things is not my complaint with Mkhi; my issue is his poor decision making. I was very frustrated with him tonight; three times he was on the break and had miles of space to play a pass to runners on either side of him, but each time overran it and lost the ball. For a player who's supposed to be intelligent, it was incredibly poor decision making, made all the worse by the fact that he didn't learn from it after the first time. Mata, by contrast, was very good; not everything came off but he tried to make things happen, looking to play passes for runners in behind and constantly finding pockets of space between the lines himself.
I have no problem with players trying creative things and not having them come off; what I do have a problem with is unintelligent play, and worse, not learning from previous mistakes in the game.
LVG will be fuming at his in-game antics.
How many nutmegs did he try tonight? It was reaching comical proportions.
How many nutmegs did he try tonight? It was reaching comical proportions.
Half good half awful. Still waiting for the elite player I hoped we'd get last summer.
fecking infuriating player
Definitely talented.
I'm not frustrated that every through ball or pass doesn't find the man, that's what happens with creative players. Impossible to expect every pass looking to create a chance is going to find target.
But my god get your fooking head up son and stop running in to dead ends. He needs to learn to release the ball. Unless he is in position to make a final pass he always looks to run with it. Running with the ball and beating players is the hardest things to do in the game. Would be so much more effective passing and running off the pass. Would actually give him more chance to provide the killer ball
Doing my head in
Definitely talented.
I'm not frustrated that every through ball or pass doesn't find the man, that's what happens with creative players. Impossible to expect every pass looking to create a chance is going to find target.
But my god get your fooking head up son and stop running in to dead ends. He needs to learn to release the ball. Unless he is in position to make a final pass he always looks to run with it. Running with the ball and beating players is the hardest things to do in the game. Would be so much more effective passing and running off the pass. Would actually give him more chance to provide the killer ball
Doing my head in
I must have seen a different game to the vast majority here because I thought he was decent. At times infuriating, yes, but he was a constant threat throughout. I honestly feel he played better tonight than he did away at Swansea where despite his assists, he was for the most part anonymous.
Feels like more of a luxury than Nani did at times.
Has one position for us. The centre of the 3 in a 4-2-3-1. If we don't play that formation I don't think he should be on the pitch.
Has one position for us. The centre of the 3 in a 4-2-3-1. If we don't play that formation I don't think he should be on the pitch.
DDG
Valencia Bailly Jones Blind
Matic Pogba
Rashford Miki Martial
Lukaku
We have a first 11 that could win the league and go deep into Europe. If we have to make more than two changes to the side we look distinctly average.Valencia Bailly Jones Blind
Matic Pogba
Rashford Miki Martial
Lukaku
More than decent, most of our game runned through him, he just missed important chances.
Average performance. Bad miss with the header, bad miss (very casual) when he hit the post, lost the ball countless times, but he tried hard and put himself in dangerous positions throughout.
He's too in love with his dribbling at times, a couple of times Martial/Blind was completely free on the left, only for Mhki to ignore them and kept on going and lost the ball as a result
You most definitely can in my view. The talent is immense but how he is exploiting it... It's really frustrating.
Quite correct, the way he just runs into 3-4 defenders several times every match is quite frustrating (especially when he often has options to pass). I think he is getting better though.
The art of releasing the ball at the right time is what separates ordinary players from great ones. Mkhi has all the talent but his decision making at times is just wack. I know he loves his nutmegs but he can't try to beat 3 or 4 defenders each game. He has the ability to play delicate accurate passes but he would rather 'messi' his way through a bunch of defenders and score himself.
With Pogba injured, we'll be even more dependent on him for finding the killer pass. He needs to be make better decisions on the ball and I'm sure Jose will drill him about it and get him to pass more.
With Pogba injured, we'll be even more dependent on him for finding the killer pass. He needs to be make better decisions on the ball and I'm sure Jose will drill him about it and get him to pass more.
Why are people still saying he is talented .He should be at the peak of his powers and play consistently over the course of the season . No offense he can't play a full game at a high level through out the 90 minutes.
I believe we will ditch either mkhi or mata (may be even both ) and bring in a winger and Griezman.
I believe we will ditch either mkhi or mata (may be even both ) and bring in a winger and Griezman.
Fair enough, we have differing views there and I do have an understanding of where you stand. I feel that providing the level of service he has already this season, elevates his performances above average. If he was waltzing around without providing chances for his teammates then I would agree, but that isn't the case. He can definitely do better though of course. As you say he has immense talent. Perhaps I'm not as easily frustrated by him.
In his final season at Dortmund he provided 20 assists in all competitions. If he maintains his current output he is on course to achieve this and a return like that cannot possibly result from average performances on the whole.
Good thing he's only being for the few matches he's played in then
Not sure I'd describe him as mediocre but he is, without doubt, the single best example of how stats lie. I don't honestly think he's had even one fully convincing game this season but his assist record is brilliant. As long as he's creating chances, he'll probably get a pass.
His vision is excellent but he is also extremely loose with the ball which Jose hates and he overplayed atleast three times when he could have released Martial on the left wing with space ahead of him.
It's that last, little "twitch" that he lacks. He is in great positions, makes great runs and everything but needs to add more quality
He missed two clear chances to score and also messed up two clear counter attacking opportunities by running like an idiot into the nearest defenders. That is not 'more than decent'.
Thought he was really good first half and absolutely awful second half. Was like two differant players.
He does some great things and then some really strange things. Weird player.
But he's crucial for us in the final 3rd.
But he's crucial for us in the final 3rd.
Covered most distance than any player for ManUtd, second was Matic. Both covered 12Kms and rest all in 10 Kms range.
Do you have a link for this info? I'm just curious about the exact figures.
I thought he had a decent game personally. Lost the ball a few times but looked threatening throughout.
and that's why he'll start every time for Mourinho. He bring in a lot of workrate and quality. 5 assists in 4 matches(should've really been 6 since Rom should've buried that chance in the first attempt) is a testament to his quality.
I think Mourinho's post-match comments were aimed at him mainly, a couple of times he should have played in Martial in the first half and also Lukaku in the second half. He was overdoing it a bit with the nutmegs and trying to go on his own.
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