While I agree that Jose may well have a good reason not to play him, 'getting behind the manager' in a non-critical way has been the problem for the last 5 years, not the solution.
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While I agree that Jose may well have a good reason not to play him, 'getting behind the manager' in a non-critical way has been the problem for the last 5 years, not the solution.
I never said that.
God would have made one of those 37 shots go in yesterday if Mkhi had started.
Now Jose forced Mkhi to train on his own, that will surely get his confidence up. I guess he wants Europe's best CAM last year to become as good as Fellaini, Lingard, Rooney.
All 3 of mkhi's former coaches have praised his training and professionalism, sounds to me like Mou is the problem, not Mkhi. Especially when you take into account both of their history.
All 3 of mkhi's former coaches have praised his training and professionalism, sounds to me like Mou is the problem, not Mkhi. Especially when you take into account both of their history.
And he had very good coaches in Lucescu, Klopp and Tuchel but they all seem to be closer to their players, they seem to be more paternal.
Why is he training in his own? Jose really starting to piss me off now
Now training on his own. Mourinho is such a nice guy isnt he
Sounds like he's being for something we have no idea of.
All you idiots who read a tweet and dont read what was the actual context. Mourinho gave the 18 that was involved in the matchday against burnley a day off.
valencia,Jonesetc were injured. Mkhitarayan came in specially to put in extra effort to work on his game. He wasnt training alone like bastian is. Bunch of idiots talking out of their arse.
valencia,Jonesetc were injured. Mkhitarayan came in specially to put in extra effort to work on his game. He wasnt training alone like bastian is. Bunch of idiots talking out of their arse.
While I've written the bolded part on this thread before, a question on your first paragraph: What's the source that HM is training on his own, and is it certain that he doesn't do extra shifts voluntarily? I remember that at Shaktar, he has been living in a room or apartment on the training facility ground to save time for extra shifts (and his studies).
Sorry but he isn't at all a pretty ruthless finisher, he wasn't even close to that in his last outstanding season at Dortmund.
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Your username is a disgrace. Delete your account.
Has some clown actually created an account based on the last few weeks of this situation? What has this place become?
Again that City game, the one he shouldn't have played, is being used to justify this ridiculous treatment well he wasn't the only one that was terrible in that game but hey let's all defer to the manager because he doesn't have prior history of this, just ask Chelsea how they rue KDP? The first part of of post is rubbish because all we are demanding is that the player be given the same chances that are being afforded to other players within the squad and having seen what LVG did to Herrera do you still prescribe to the notion of 'manager knows best'? Surely its not unreasonable to expect one of the top creators in Germany last season to help out a team boasting 1 goal in the last four league games.
Jesus wept. The KdB analogies are flat out mental. Comparing a relatively unknown youngster trying to break into a team with someone in their late 20s signed for a huge fee.
Mourinho himself spelled out a better analogy the other day. Willian. If you insist on using analogies in a game of individuals then at least use players that are vaguely comparable.
Mourinho himself spelled out a better analogy the other day. Willian. If you insist on using analogies in a game of individuals then at least use players that are vaguely comparable.
At the end o the day Chelsea lost out on a potential world class player who is now doing the business for a direct rival, we will lose out on the player and the fee; so while you are swallowing Mourinho's b.s how similar are HM and Willian's cases? Did Willian spend as much time on the stands as Mkhitaryan has, so far?
Yes. HTH.
The "excuse" of him not being ready for the intensity of a Premier League game with particular reference given to "work off the ball" is fair enough. The similarities to Di Maria and Willian is also fair.
But surely to god at home to Burnley when your trying to break them down, he's a better option off the bench than Memphis or Fellaini??? Surley? Especially with no Martial in the squad.
But surely to god at home to Burnley when your trying to break them down, he's a better option off the bench than Memphis or Fellaini??? Surley? Especially with no Martial in the squad.
He would have been handy to have on the bench, yes.
The real issue here is how has he got himself posting in the main so fast. This new rule about allowing newbie to post in the main is proving to be quite annoying because of incidents like these.
Why is this post being ignored, this should have ended the meltdown but I guess once people are on agendas nothing stops or slow them down.
Yeah they are similar, when he made 42 appearances in his debut season and had played considerably more by the 6th of October when he made his league debut. Willian is an example of a player that was slowly bedded in, Mkhitaryan is the perfect example of a player that hasn't been given a chance and a fair chance is all I am asking that he be given. We have watched LVG do this to Herrera and in the summer half of the Cafe was convinced that he should be a goner but hey look at what a fair chance can do for a player!
Ordinarily I would take his word at face value but here we are losing ground to the leading pack on a weekly basis on account of us barely scoring goals and yet we have this player that we signed, that he said fitted his profile, who is a proven creator and scorer but he can't get in the team ahead of Lingard and Memphis! Why did we need 3 DMs on the bench against fecking Burnely?
We have fallen behind and endured 3 failed seasons because of our managers' inability to make the team play to the sum of it's parts not because this league has great teams, I digress but City beat us and subsequently opened a five point lead on us but they then lost one and drew two yet they are now eight points ahead of us, how are we ever going to catch up if we can't take advantage of their slips?
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Can someone please post the source behind him training alone?
You're all over the place now. Willian was "slowly bedded in" and that's ok but Mkhitaryan (who's missed a handful of games when fit to play) "hasn't been given a chance". Righto.
On the plus side, at least you've moved on from the ludicrous, irrelevant crap about KdB.
You are being deliberately obtuse, Willian's treatment was completely different to the what Mkhitaryan has endured, when Willian made his league debut on 6 October 2013 he had featured in three matches in the League Cup and CL and this is a player who joined in late August. We are almost in November now and Mkhitaryan had a full pre-season with us. I stuck to Willian because he is the case you and Mourinho stated resembled Mkhitaryan's for the purposes of this debate, otherwise imo KDB is a clear feck up by Mourinho which makes me worry that he may do the same here.
Keep in mind that Mhiki was injured for a month, as stated by Mourinho, which slowed his 'process' down which makes it silly to compare dates when comparing the situation to Willian. Both players are being handled very much alike, hopefully that'll keep the drama down in this thread.
No one likes sane talk, cause then there would be nothing to cry about. Just ignore the post.
He posted this on his insta account-
I mean can you lot not panic for one day? He clearly says "better days will come". "all for one and one for all" That is exactly what Jose preaches. Its like he is doing right and people want it to be a clusterfeck. They cannot go without chaos for one day.
Did Wilian have niggling injuries keeping him out for a while like Mkhitaryan did?
The Burnely match was on 28 October and this is a player that joined us in June not on the eve of deadline day so logic dictates that even with the niggling injury Mkhitaryan should have been further advanced in his integration by the time the season started because he had a full pre-season with us.
I don't think thats necessarily the case though, because he was injured early in the season and then injured again shortly after. To me that suggets his progress in adapting to full fitness is hampered (not his fault here obviously). Its almost as though he needs to start again and get to a level that's on par with his teammates who have been in the swing of things for a couple of months now.
I am still not concerned by Mkhitarayan's lack of a full debut just yet, but I admit it's a concern if he is truly training on his own now. It just seems like a step backwards.
He needs to come back in and replace Lingard asap!
Pogba has never looked mentally defeated, I've only ever seen Mkhitaryan look that way at this level before.
That pretty much confirms what i thought. I hadn't seen Jose's comments about mentally weak players but there you go. It was quite visible on the pitch that he wanted no more and had given up. That explains what's been going on.
Really? Because we've gone through three managers and the football is still not great. The common denominator each time being most of the players. It's time they took some of the flack after blaming the manager for the last 3 years. That can't happen this time because Mourinho has proven beyond doubt that he is one of, if not the best.
We've actually started playing some very good football this season and its only a few months in. Obviously results are not great but the football has been significantly better (except for those 2 big away games)
Mkhitaryan will end up being Mourinho's secret weapon once he's up to speed, just you wait and see. 
You don't splurge £30 million on the top midfielder in Germany, give him half a chance in a derby and then ditch him.
People don't seem to give Mourinho the benefit of the doubt and want instant impact, which isn't always possible.
You don't splurge £30 million on the top midfielder in Germany, give him half a chance in a derby and then ditch him.
People don't seem to give Mourinho the benefit of the doubt and want instant impact, which isn't always possible.
explains nothing. we have played easier teams since then so the pressure of playing Man City has passed. everyone claiming to be a psychologist now. So what are we going to let him watch the whole season until he has seen a shrink? Why not be included against minnows like Burnley. It doesnt make sense. And Pogba has looked defeated against Chelsea, especially as he didn't even try to stop Kante which is a sign of defeat/giving up
All true. But the manager chooses the players, trains them, motivates them. If you want to change players, you must also change the manager.
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