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Long time lurker, occasional poster, and considering removing RedCafe from my life because I always leave here feeling dejected after arriving positive, with 99% of what I see being miserable and negative.

Rather than running away, I'd like to ask those of you who are upbeat, optimistic and positive for some support/input, so that those of us who don't just want to complain can curate a better experience, designed to raise our spirits, not dump all over them.

Some questions to inspire your responses
  1. What older problems are now gone, or on the way to resolution?
  2. Why do you feel so good about our club right now?
  3. What are your favourite positive/upbeat threads on RedCafe that we should know about?
  4. Who are your favourite non-unhinged posters making this place great?
  5. Which players/coaches/staff make you smile?
My contribution:

I feel really positive that there are so many things I used to think, which I don't think any more:

- Our whole team being unlikable.
- Not having a clear identity or system.
- Not being able defend anything, from any attack vector
- Having zero midfield.
- Making bizarre transfer and loan decisions.
- Having no plans for our stadium.
- There being no noise in OT, aside from boos.
- Being obsessed with the prehistoric 'Man Utd way'.
- Nobody trying
- Not giving youth a chance.
- Being in significant decline.

I'm actually really happy that the major thing we're complaining about is our attack when I look at that list.

Watching Amad makes me happy. So does Ugarte. Garna is starting to again after a dip.

Despite other challenges and issues around the club, I feel we've started to excavate some of our really rotten foundations. So whilst it's currently a mess, it feels like a mess with a clear purpose, rather than just abject dilapidation.

Roll on 25/26!
 
4 more signings could be transformative (RWB, CM, AM & CF) for the team. Depending on Martinez, maybe add in a LWB option as well (unless that Arsenal kid hits the ground running/Shaw can stay fit). And by transformative, I mean a top 4-6 spot next season (not challenging).

The question I guess is if we have the necessary funds (including outgoings) for 4-5 players.

We seem to be identifying the right players who needs moving on (& hopefully targeting the right profile needed as incomings - Amorim has mentioned pace/physicality a lot, so hopefully it is the case).
 
I like the sentiment and whilst I’m feeling very fed up with the club and current position, I can still see positives!

1. I maintain we’ve got the makings of a brilliant team, or at least spine of the team. Yoro, Kobbie, Amad and Garnacho are all really exciting, and I think Hojlund will join that group in time. It feels as though we’re a top striker off being a good side again.

2. Our recent business feels like the right direction, Heaven, Dorgu and Leon for the summer, are all young lads that should add to the basis of the team for years to come.

3. Hopefully we’ve seen the end of player FC and the inflated packages we’re offering, and no more panic buys. I’m disappointed with how it’s gone with Rashford but for the money he’s earning and his outputs, it’s the right thing to do and Amorim’s unwavering stance on his effort is positive. I really thought we’d bring a striker or attacking player in the Jan window, however I do understand the comments on previous mistakes, Casemiro is the primary example of that.

4. The planned renovation of the stadium and surrounding area is exciting and should put us right up there in terms of facilities.

We can afford to have some optimism for the future but it’s definitely cautious optimism!
 
  1. What older problems are now gone, or on the way to resolution?
Weakling defenders who wouldnt be putting tackles in. - This is almost vanished.
Players not able to control 10 yard passes
Pressing is tonnes better and has great shape
Running back to defend
Players are desperate to be better, bad performances are effecting them and they dont dance around after losses anymore
No more drama around player manager dynamics, we know whos in charge
More focus on stadium development, training ground development
  1. Why do you feel so good about our club right now?
I miss the golden days, and appreciate that we're in a position of a mid-table team, and there are a lot of challenges. Im just happy that we're going in SOME kind of direction now, regardless of where that may be as we dont know the future and its never failproof. But we signed good people to lead us from top clubs, so lets see.
 
We've been saying that the Glazers' terrible financial management of the club woudl lead us to ruin and it has arrived. Idiotic things like Rashford's pay rise, panic buying Casemiro and Antony and so forth - which literally everyone could see at the time was ridiculous - have been avoided this window, and the signings to date under INEOS have been at least sensible, relatively speaking.

We didn't cave in January and go after random 'hot' player (Tel this year). We offloaded two of the above three.

We have a manager who seems to understand all of this, and be here to make it work.

We have some great young talent at the club, and if we can nuture it, and augment with a bit of experience up top, we could be ok next season, hopefully back in the Europena places. Then the season after that we clear all this PSR dross, hopefully have a much better wage bill, will be showing progression under one of the best young managers in Europe and can hopefully, finally move forward.
 
I'm happy that we are getting rid of players. Seeing Sancho, Antony and now Rashford go has been a real breath of fresh air. Especially compared to the previous upper management team who would reward underperforming and/or chronically injured players with ridiculous contracts to protect their 'asset value'. So to see players leave has been great.

Shows me that the new upper management team aren't afraid to get rid of players who don't measure up.
 
- Getting the Glazers fully out of the club is probably more doable when things look really dire
- Our wages are getting reduced more, meaning less hierarchy.
- We didn't panic buy and overpay for a striker with same abilities as the two we currently have in the Winter window
- We still have FA cup to play for
- We're decent against big teams, boding well for knock-out tournaments.
- Europa League can get us into Champions League and teams from current league phase in Champions League wont drop into Europa League, making it a clear path really. Tottenham, Athletic and Lazio are probably the only competition.
 
Hopefully our stance this window shows teams we won't cave in to demands when negotiating deals this summer
 
Signed 3 players in January and got rid of maybe half million wages a week. Yes we may finish 17th but we saving money.
 
my 2 cents

- extremely high undeserved earners are seemingly being offloaded

- following that, no more high wages with contract extensions

- we've sunk as far as we'll go this season, so the only way is up

- no knee jerk reactions given the poor state of the club giving Amorim more operating/breathing room

- first coach in a long time who is likable and doesn't bulls*** but tells it as it is (regarding state of the squad and the club) and who may have the capacity to do something about it

- pressure on the board and Jimbo to deliver in the summer (somehow I feel like they might but you never know)
 
1. We’ve signed 6 first team players for €245m this season with an average age of under 23, plus a further 4 youth prospects for about €5m.

For comparison, prior to Ineos coming, in the 2 seasons prior we had 6 first team signings we paid significant fees for totalling €411m with an average age of about 25. These include Casemiro, Antony and Mount who are largely out of the picture.

So we are bringing more players for lower average fees and lower average age, which is a better way to overhaul a squad.

2. The wage bill is being actively stripped back. If the top earners are not key first team players it seems as if they are being squeezed out. Hopefully this makes room for reinvestment into the squad.

3. We didn’t panic buy in January. This could be seen as a negative because we desperately need goals but it shows the thinking is now longer term. We even turned up our noses at a £5m loan fee for Tel which could be put to better use towards a transfer fee for a permanent signing in the summer.

4. We have Mainoo, Garnacho and Amad. Add them to the 10 players signed above then we have a good nucleus of a squad for the next few years with a very young average age.

5. We won’t be relegated. I can see us finishing very low. Maybe even 16th but the trap door won’t open for us and we will have to go again next season.

6. We could win the Europa. On our current form it is probably still unlikely but we have little else to play for and it’s not the strongest set of teams to overcome.

7. We just need goals…any goals. Our fortunes could turn quite quickly if just one of our attacking players can hit some form in front of goal for the remainder of the season. It doesn’t look like it will happen but the bar has been set so low so far this season that any uptick at all can make a big difference.

8. Expectations will be lower than ever next season. We’ve probably only had about 2 seasons in the last 12 where we’ve outperformed external expectations of us, leading to constant negativity. It’s not inconceivable that many will predict us to be mid-table next season and that probably creates better conditions for us to make the European places rather than carrying the expectation that we should be finishing top 6 when in reality we have had a mess of a squad that is not in proper shape to achieve that.

9. Luke Shaw is back in training :)
 
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Not spending a fortune on a loan deal for Tel or selling Garnacho for peanuts to rivals shows were improving in the transfer market.
 
Antony & Rashford gone

Given time confident Amorim can turn Utd around
 
Everybody should actually feel positive for a change... because we're actually doing what everybody says we've needed to do for many many seasons now. An actual reset. People like to talk the talk about needing changes, needing a full reset, but clearly when it comes down to it, this fanbase has shown it wants instant gratification and isn't willing to suffer short term pain in order to maintain long term gain. People are already calling for INEOS heads or that Amorim hasn't been backed and so on.

Here's why it's nonsense.

Now for starters i'm not saying INEOS has been perfect in their decision making, but I can't fault them for Dan Ashworth, who clearly made a mistake in wanting to keep ETH. They had a plan, and Dan Ashworth is one of the best in his positions, it just didn't work out, some things don't. I'm glad they at least recognised that and acted accordingly. Now beyond that I don't feel like it's right to blame INEOS for everything when they've put some of the best in the world in their position into place in order to make all these decisions, so really it's the likes of Berrada and Wilcox that are overseeing most of this.

1. Amorim is being fully backed to do what he needs to do in order to whip this team into shape.
This means bringing a culture and an identity to the team that has resisted it for the longest time, first and foremost, he is not caving into changing, nor being forced to change because of bad results that we all should have known would come, hell, Amorim himself warned us of this multiple times. Short term pain for long term gain.

This also includes being backed to do what he needs to do in order to sort out the dressing room, if this means having some tough conversations with players, dropping them, selling them, GOOD. See the loaning and likely eventual sale of Rashford this summer as ultimate proof of this backing. Again, everybody wanted a manager and a team in place that would finally get rid of players that shouldn't be here and we're getting our wish, but it can't be done overnight. People whine that we are cutting staff and so on, well it's virtually impossible and it takes time to shift players because of the extreme negligance from previous regimes handing out stupid contracts that other clubs won't pay for these players, because they recognise they aren't worth it. This is why we end up paying part of the salary in loan deals. They are clearly making efforts to end this now, with us only giving Dorgu 40k a week... in previous regimes we'd have given him 100k plus i'm sure of it. Which leads me onto my next point...

2. We are clearly targeting (eventually buying) and selling players with a plan in mind
This regime has essentially inherited multiple seasons of negligent and borderline criminal player recruitment and selling. Yes, this includes the ETH era which, except for maybe the last transfer window, has essentially set us back as well. These are the two problems we've had.

- We've been buying players who weren't worth as much as we paid, given them wages they didn't deserve, and at ages and profiles that didn't make sense.
See Casemiro and Mount as a prime examples, huge overpay for a player Madrid didn't want, and another who's contract was running out at Chelsea, paying massive wages to Casemiro especially even though he can barely move around the pitch and rarely ever plays, hell he seems to have been usurped by Collyer at this point. Mount can barely ever stay fit for a few games in a row, meaning he's never available to see any return on the investment we made. This all culminates in other teams not willing to pay Casemiro's salary, and nobody will sign Mount because of his horrendous injury record. So we've been stuck with them.

- A huge inability to sell players, holding onto them too long, giving players undeserved contracts to keep value on the books, selling them for little to no money.
See Lingard, Pogba, and other academy graduates as main examples. Players who we can't sell because of high wages, age, or injury record aside, we've had a terrible habit of holding onto players we shouldn't have when we could have been making money that would go a long way into helping us rebuild a team. You want to know why we are mostly skint and skirting the edge of PSR right now? This is why. Say what you want about Chelsea and Man City, but they do pretty well in this regard, which allows them to reinvest in the squad when required. We sent Lingard on loan to West Ham, all things considered he did pretty well, he clearly wasn't good enough to play first team for us but he'd found his level... and what do we do? We bring him back even though we had good offers to sell him, which would have been pure profit, and again, help us reinvest in the squad. Instead we keep him, don't play him, then he eventually just ends up going on a free. A complete waste.

- So how are we rectifying these points?
Clearly they aren't shy of selling academy players who they feel won't make it, which is good, all pure profit, helps us get on the good side of PSR, meaning we can spend a hell of a lot more investing in the squad by selling players who were never going to make it here. They are also looking to, and have been successful in some ways, in shifting players out who they feel doesn't fit the vision for the squad. Rashford is pretty big, but of course it's clear they are looking to shift Casemiro, Malacia, Antony... all of which I think will be gone this summer, they'll also see the end of Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans, and so on this summer. Meaning a lot of high earners who clearly don't deserve these wages will be freed up from the books.

and despite what people might say on twitter, there is clearly a plan irrespective of the manager in place, though i've no doubt he helps in suggesting some players. We've clearly identified the fullback as problem areas. So we've invested in two young talented full/wingbacks, one in Diego Leon, and another in Patrick Dorgu who is also very versatile and can player both wingback positions and can also play in Amorim's 10 positions if needed. According to Ornstein we are also putting in place a plan to sign Quenda in the summer, which means we'll have sorted both Wingback positions by the summer with young, talented, technical and athletic players. A far cry from Dalot and Mazraoui who I think are rather ill suited to Wingback in Amorim's system. We also seem to be investing heavily in youth talents, players like Chido Obi, Heaven, Kone, all feel like they are not too far away from first team. Hell, Heaven has been signed as backup to first team, a talented young defender.

Does it suck that we didn't bring any more reinforcements in January? Yes, but i'd rather we hold out till summer where we can get the players we want at a reasonable amount rather than overpay for players we don't want in January because we're panicking.

Don't be surprised to see us target a 10, a striker, a midfielder, and a LCB as priorities in the summer. Cunha has a release clause this summer, Osimhen might be available at a reasonable price, talks of Ederson for the midfield. Maybe we'll go back in for Branthwaite? I don't know of course, but I would expect us to have a busy busy summer. But remember, we'll get better, it doesn't mean we'll be the finished article.

The Glazers have left this club destitute and in an absolute shit show. I'm no **** for INEOS, but I don't envy them trying to sort through this financial and cultural mess they have found themselves investing into. It's going to take time, I understand peoples lack of patience I really do. But we need it now more than ever. It feels like for the first time in a long time there's light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Getting rid of players on crazy wages the last 18 months and this summer hopefully helps
Lingard
DDG
Varane
Rashford
Antony
Casemiro in the summer

We hopefully can move on the last 3 in the summer.
I think we can win EL this season and have CL next season and move forward
 
For the first time in a while, it seems like the manager and back office actually realize which players need to be replaced. First transfer window we sign a LWB and get Malacia, Antony and Rashford out on loan. These are good signs. Clearly Amorim also sees that our striking options are poor. Even though it didn't work out, trying a false 9 in the last game (with both strikers fit) signaled that we desperately need quality there.

Amorim seems to have standards and ideas. It will be rough until the summer, but at least there seems to be a direction.
 
Everybody should actually feel positive for a change... because we're actually doing what everybody says we've needed to do for many many seasons now. An actual reset. People like to talk the talk about needing changes, needing a full reset, but clearly when it comes down to it, this fanbase has shown it wants instant gratification and isn't willing to suffer short term pain in order to maintain long term gain. People are already calling for INEOS heads or that Amorim hasn't been backed and so on.

Here's why it's nonsense.

Now for starters i'm not saying INEOS has been perfect in their decision making, but I can't fault them for Dan Ashworth, who clearly made a mistake in wanting to keep ETH. They had a plan, and Dan Ashworth is one of the best in his positions, it just didn't work out, some things don't. I'm glad they at least recognised that and acted accordingly. Now beyond that I don't feel like it's right to blame INEOS for everything when they've put some of the best in the world in their position into place in order to make all these decisions, so really it's the likes of Berrada and Wilcox that are overseeing most of this.

1. Amorim is being fully backed to do what he needs to do in order to whip this team into shape.
This means bringing a culture and an identity to the team that has resisted it for the longest time, first and foremost, he is not caving into changing, nor being forced to change because of bad results that we all should have known would come, hell, Amorim himself warned us of this multiple times. Short term pain for long term gain.

This also includes being backed to do what he needs to do in order to sort out the dressing room, if this means having some tough conversations with players, dropping them, selling them, GOOD. See the loaning and likely eventual sale of Rashford this summer as ultimate proof of this backing. Again, everybody wanted a manager and a team in place that would finally get rid of players that shouldn't be here and we're getting our wish, but it can't be done overnight. People whine that we are cutting staff and so on, well it's virtually impossible and it takes time to shift players because of the extreme negligance from previous regimes handing out stupid contracts that other clubs won't pay for these players, because they recognise they aren't worth it. This is why we end up paying part of the salary in loan deals. They are clearly making efforts to end this now, with us only giving Dorgu 40k a week... in previous regimes we'd have given him 100k plus i'm sure of it. Which leads me onto my next point...

2. We are clearly targeting (eventually buying) and selling players with a plan in mind
This regime has essentially inherited multiple seasons of negligent and borderline criminal player recruitment and selling. Yes, this includes the ETH era which, except for maybe the last transfer window, has essentially set us back as well. These are the two problems we've had.

- We've been buying players who weren't worth as much as we paid, given them wages they didn't deserve, and at ages and profiles that didn't make sense.
See Casemiro and Mount as a prime examples, huge overpay for a player Madrid didn't want, and another who's contract was running out at Chelsea, paying massive wages to Casemiro especially even though he can barely move around the pitch and rarely ever plays, hell he seems to have been usurped by Collyer at this point. Mount can barely ever stay fit for a few games in a row, meaning he's never available to see any return on the investment we made. This all culminates in other teams not willing to pay Casemiro's salary, and nobody will sign Mount because of his horrendous injury record. So we've been stuck with them.

- A huge inability to sell players, holding onto them too long, giving players undeserved contracts to keep value on the books, selling them for little to no money.
See Lingard, Pogba, and other academy graduates as main examples. Players who we can't sell because of high wages, age, or injury record aside, we've had a terrible habit of holding onto players we shouldn't have when we could have been making money that would go a long way into helping us rebuild a team. You want to know why we are mostly skint and skirting the edge of PSR right now? This is why. Say what you want about Chelsea and Man City, but they do pretty well in this regard, which allows them to reinvest in the squad when required. We sent Lingard on loan to West Ham, all things considered he did pretty well, he clearly wasn't good enough to play first team for us but he'd found his level... and what do we do? We bring him back even though we had good offers to sell him, which would have been pure profit, and again, help us reinvest in the squad. Instead we keep him, don't play him, then he eventually just ends up going on a free. A complete waste.

- So how are we rectifying these points?
Clearly they aren't shy of selling academy players who they feel won't make it, which is good, all pure profit, helps us get on the good side of PSR, meaning we can spend a hell of a lot more investing in the squad by selling players who were never going to make it here. They are also looking to, and have been successful in some ways, in shifting players out who they feel doesn't fit the vision for the squad. Rashford is pretty big, but of course it's clear they are looking to shift Casemiro, Malacia, Antony... all of which I think will be gone this summer, they'll also see the end of Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans, and so on this summer. Meaning a lot of high earners who clearly don't deserve these wages will be freed up from the books.

and despite what people might say on twitter, there is clearly a plan irrespective of the manager in place, though i've no doubt he helps in suggesting some players. We've clearly identified the fullback as problem areas. So we've invested in two young talented full/wingbacks, one in Diego Leon, and another in Patrick Dorgu who is also very versatile and can player both wingback positions and can also play in Amorim's 10 positions if needed. According to Ornstein we are also putting in place a plan to sign Quenda in the summer, which means we'll have sorted both Wingback positions by the summer with young, talented, technical and athletic players. A far cry from Dalot and Mazraoui who I think are rather ill suited to Wingback in Amorim's system. We also seem to be investing heavily in youth talents, players like Chido Obi, Heaven, Kone, all feel like they are not too far away from first team. Hell, Heaven has been signed as backup to first team, a talented young defender.

Does it suck that we didn't bring any more reinforcements in January? Yes, but i'd rather we hold out till summer where we can get the players we want at a reasonable amount rather than overpay for players we don't want in January because we're panicking.

Don't be surprised to see us target a 10, a striker, a midfielder, and a LCB as priorities in the summer. Cunha has a release clause this summer, Osimhen might be available at a reasonable price, talks of Ederson for the midfield. Maybe we'll go back in for Branthwaite? I don't know of course, but I would expect us to have a busy busy summer. But remember, we'll get better, it doesn't mean we'll be the finished article.

The Glazers have left this club destitute and in an absolute shit show. I'm no **** for INEOS, but I don't envy them trying to sort through this financial and cultural mess they have found themselves investing into. It's going to take time, I understand peoples lack of patience I really do. But we need it now more than ever. It feels like for the first time in a long time there's light at the end of the tunnel.
Excellent summary of the issues the club face. I agree that we must change the way we operate, the game has changed and we must embrace it. We also have an excellent youth squad at the moment, under 18s last season won treble, only lost one league game this season, plus adding the players we have recently acquired only adds to a wealth of talent we already are nurturing. Of course not all youth team players will make it, but as stated we will get good money for them. I feel the pain like every United fan, I have been a fan for 70 years and have been through some terrible seasons, but these things come round, and remember only us and Liverpool can claim to be the most successful clubs in English football for last 70 years.
 
We needed to get the wage bill under control and show we won’t be taken mugs of anymore, like it or not that’s exactly what January was all about
 
Wage bloat has again decreased and can focus on summer planning without having to deal with some January short fixes disrupting it.

Dorgu represents an urgent need in the squad for a wingback. Heaven represents a positive step forward in terms of general squad building.
 
I truly believe there is a large amount of talent in the squad that needs to be coached and moulded into a team. It will be a good team in 2-3 seasons.

The main clear out of big money players is almost done. Sancho is off this summer, Rashford might be gone, Case you assume will just be mutually released if no one wants him, Shaw will leave. There will remain some issues but they are vastly less crippling (like Antony for example as his wage is so low without add ons, Mount we just have to accept is a crock). Summer 2026 I think the clear out will be complete from the Glazer era as Maguire will leave and I think by then Bruno likely gets replaced. Amorim should have come in the summer, hopefully he can survive until then and we give him a decent window.
 
We have taken massive steps towards reigning in the excess of Ed Woodward and Matt Judge.

Our wage bill was absolutely insane. Like, crazy beyond belief, in terms of salaries versus output...but very soon we will have that well under control.

We also have a very young squad. Soon as Liverpool or Arsenal chuck-in the odd teenager at full-back, the media are falling over themselves to tell us what great young teams they are - but the core of those sides are seasoned professionals.

We have 6 regular starters (Hojlund, Mainoo, Amad, Garnacho, Yoro, Ugarte) who are 23 or under, and Dorgu (20) will surely soon be starting games too.

We also seemed to have learnt our lesson on fixating on one or two high-profile targets and paying massive fees for 'superstar' footballers. The emphasis is much more of shrewd business and young players.
 
We finally have a left footed left wing back. It's been too long since Shaw got injured.
Once we get a striker or two competing for the top spot then we will be fine to build on for the next few years.

We just need a ray of hope right now.
 
I feel like we've started to balance out the squad. I know that sounds odd when our attack is so limp. But in the past when we had a tonne of strikers up front it always had the feel of putting a twin turbo in a '05 Clio. Now we seem to be assembling a squad that has enough defenders and midfielders in it to actually support an attacking game. Granted, the attackers aren't here, yet, but the principle of building out the squad in a balanced way feels better than before.

Likewise, it feels like some of the tactical dead ends we had in the past have gone. The Ole era of having a ludicrous vulnerability to being pressed, or the midfield donut of ETH now, seem to be gone. Our manager wants us to balance possession, pressing and transitions. It feels long overdue.

I'm also open minded about the lack of much transfer activity this January. I think our transfers last summer were pretty solid. Yoro, Ugarte, Maz, De Ligt were all improvements. Zirkzee is the only failure at this point, and four from five is pretty good. They weren't mind blowing appointments, but then our track record of buying big names instead of reliable performers has been among our biggest weaknesses anyway. They felt responsible, compared to the childish, impulsive spending of the Woodward era. So I'm inclined to accept that the lack of movement was simply due to no-one decent being available at the right price, and hope that we've entered a more sensible era in our transfer dealings. We won't know one way for a few more seasons how good these guys really are, but I don't see the lack of activity as the cause of doom and gloom some others do.
 
Our support is still great. For all the shite we've had thrown at us, we're still the beating heartbeat of the club.

Mentioned it before but last week in Bucharest was immense. The absolute best. Roll on Bilbao in May...
 
Although I hate 3-4-3, or 5-3-2 with so many defenders on the pitch, I like Amorim and I'm hopeful he'll turn it around. We're getting rid of the overpaid dross, slowly but surely. There's a good chance we won't get relegated. The squad is young and one would think they're bound to improve at some point.

If we ignore the awful LVG-like football and the humiliating home defeats to whoever turns up at OT, we can chose be hopeful. What else is there to do?
 
Regardless of the team being shit, I'm pleased we have management who will not tolerate players like Rashford, and who are working to get the wages back in order. The United gravy train has reached the end of the line.
 
So much of the squad is now young, inexperienced, by definition inconsistent, and on relatively normal wages.

Even without any significant transfers, and with some good coaching, you’d expect the likes of Yoro, Garnacho, Mainoo, Dorgu, Collyer, Hojlund, Amad, and even someone like Dalot who has a lot of good attributes to gel and get better together over the next 2-3 years. That’s not even mentioning folks like Heaven, Kukonki, and Chido Obi.

My optimistic take is that we need a couple of experienced leaders and some time together and we’ll reap the benefits.
 
Everybody should actually feel positive for a change... because we're actually doing what everybody says we've needed to do for many many seasons now. An actual reset. People like to talk the talk about needing changes, needing a full reset, but clearly when it comes down to it, this fanbase has shown it wants instant gratification and isn't willing to suffer short term pain in order to maintain long term gain. People are already calling for INEOS heads or that Amorim hasn't been backed and so on.

Here's why it's nonsense.

Now for starters i'm not saying INEOS has been perfect in their decision making, but I can't fault them for Dan Ashworth, who clearly made a mistake in wanting to keep ETH. They had a plan, and Dan Ashworth is one of the best in his positions, it just didn't work out, some things don't. I'm glad they at least recognised that and acted accordingly. Now beyond that I don't feel like it's right to blame INEOS for everything when they've put some of the best in the world in their position into place in order to make all these decisions, so really it's the likes of Berrada and Wilcox that are overseeing most of this.

1. Amorim is being fully backed to do what he needs to do in order to whip this team into shape.
This means bringing a culture and an identity to the team that has resisted it for the longest time, first and foremost, he is not caving into changing, nor being forced to change because of bad results that we all should have known would come, hell, Amorim himself warned us of this multiple times. Short term pain for long term gain.

This also includes being backed to do what he needs to do in order to sort out the dressing room, if this means having some tough conversations with players, dropping them, selling them, GOOD. See the loaning and likely eventual sale of Rashford this summer as ultimate proof of this backing. Again, everybody wanted a manager and a team in place that would finally get rid of players that shouldn't be here and we're getting our wish, but it can't be done overnight. People whine that we are cutting staff and so on, well it's virtually impossible and it takes time to shift players because of the extreme negligance from previous regimes handing out stupid contracts that other clubs won't pay for these players, because they recognise they aren't worth it. This is why we end up paying part of the salary in loan deals. They are clearly making efforts to end this now, with us only giving Dorgu 40k a week... in previous regimes we'd have given him 100k plus i'm sure of it. Which leads me onto my next point...

2. We are clearly targeting (eventually buying) and selling players with a plan in mind
This regime has essentially inherited multiple seasons of negligent and borderline criminal player recruitment and selling. Yes, this includes the ETH era which, except for maybe the last transfer window, has essentially set us back as well. These are the two problems we've had.

- We've been buying players who weren't worth as much as we paid, given them wages they didn't deserve, and at ages and profiles that didn't make sense.
See Casemiro and Mount as a prime examples, huge overpay for a player Madrid didn't want, and another who's contract was running out at Chelsea, paying massive wages to Casemiro especially even though he can barely move around the pitch and rarely ever plays, hell he seems to have been usurped by Collyer at this point. Mount can barely ever stay fit for a few games in a row, meaning he's never available to see any return on the investment we made. This all culminates in other teams not willing to pay Casemiro's salary, and nobody will sign Mount because of his horrendous injury record. So we've been stuck with them.

- A huge inability to sell players, holding onto them too long, giving players undeserved contracts to keep value on the books, selling them for little to no money.
See Lingard, Pogba, and other academy graduates as main examples. Players who we can't sell because of high wages, age, or injury record aside, we've had a terrible habit of holding onto players we shouldn't have when we could have been making money that would go a long way into helping us rebuild a team. You want to know why we are mostly skint and skirting the edge of PSR right now? This is why. Say what you want about Chelsea and Man City, but they do pretty well in this regard, which allows them to reinvest in the squad when required. We sent Lingard on loan to West Ham, all things considered he did pretty well, he clearly wasn't good enough to play first team for us but he'd found his level... and what do we do? We bring him back even though we had good offers to sell him, which would have been pure profit, and again, help us reinvest in the squad. Instead we keep him, don't play him, then he eventually just ends up going on a free. A complete waste.

- So how are we rectifying these points?
Clearly they aren't shy of selling academy players who they feel won't make it, which is good, all pure profit, helps us get on the good side of PSR, meaning we can spend a hell of a lot more investing in the squad by selling players who were never going to make it here. They are also looking to, and have been successful in some ways, in shifting players out who they feel doesn't fit the vision for the squad. Rashford is pretty big, but of course it's clear they are looking to shift Casemiro, Malacia, Antony... all of which I think will be gone this summer, they'll also see the end of Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans, and so on this summer. Meaning a lot of high earners who clearly don't deserve these wages will be freed up from the books.

and despite what people might say on twitter, there is clearly a plan irrespective of the manager in place, though i've no doubt he helps in suggesting some players. We've clearly identified the fullback as problem areas. So we've invested in two young talented full/wingbacks, one in Diego Leon, and another in Patrick Dorgu who is also very versatile and can player both wingback positions and can also play in Amorim's 10 positions if needed. According to Ornstein we are also putting in place a plan to sign Quenda in the summer, which means we'll have sorted both Wingback positions by the summer with young, talented, technical and athletic players. A far cry from Dalot and Mazraoui who I think are rather ill suited to Wingback in Amorim's system. We also seem to be investing heavily in youth talents, players like Chido Obi, Heaven, Kone, all feel like they are not too far away from first team. Hell, Heaven has been signed as backup to first team, a talented young defender.

Does it suck that we didn't bring any more reinforcements in January? Yes, but i'd rather we hold out till summer where we can get the players we want at a reasonable amount rather than overpay for players we don't want in January because we're panicking.

Don't be surprised to see us target a 10, a striker, a midfielder, and a LCB as priorities in the summer. Cunha has a release clause this summer, Osimhen might be available at a reasonable price, talks of Ederson for the midfield. Maybe we'll go back in for Branthwaite? I don't know of course, but I would expect us to have a busy busy summer. But remember, we'll get better, it doesn't mean we'll be the finished article.

The Glazers have left this club destitute and in an absolute shit show. I'm no **** for INEOS, but I don't envy them trying to sort through this financial and cultural mess they have found themselves investing into. It's going to take time, I understand peoples lack of patience I really do. But we need it now more than ever. It feels like for the first time in a long time there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Great post, summarised pretty much everything I was going to post. I'll add that since INEOS came we do seem to be targetting our signings better. Maz, De Ligt, Yoro and Ugarte have been good additions to the squad. All pretty young too. Zirkzee is the only one with genuine question marks for now as he really hasn't done well. But that's a step in the right direction at least. Yes we might need to sell Maz as he might not fit in Amorim's system, but he is a reliable player and clearly isn't bad and because he's still a decent age we should get a decent fee if we did decide to sell. It was a promising first window and although we havent strengthened as much as maybe we should, we have at least brought in a LWB which we've been crying out for since Shaw became a real liability (many seasons ago). I think so far it's a passing grade for our transfers, even better if we can get semi decent fees for Rashford/Antony in the summer.

It's not all bad and certainly I can see some green shoots of progress, but there's a significant mess to sort out.
 
Accept where the club stands now and not 12 years ago, and things are easier.
No need to ruminate about your elitism when it's not who you are. No one likes the high school peaker at the reunion if they keep on yapping about it.

Plus, accepting that there's more to football (let alone life) than Utd and it's position on the BPL league table helps, too.
No matter how good you are, a good game or season of your opponent is a possibility, just as much as you can win bad games and finish high on the table with a fudge all team.
And there's still things you do have.

Amad's rise is a sight to see and so is Mainoo's, hurdles and all. In fact, this team, on paper, gives quite some fun option in play styles even if we cannot see that in real life as of yet. But Utd is super fun on eFootball, and I assume it is on FC25 too.
It's ridiculous but I like theoretical setups almost as much - perhaps even more - than the ones we get in real life. This doesn't bring anyone back to the top, but it does offer joy in plenty ways.

Besides there were plenty runs under ETH, Ole, Mou, LVG that were really fun to see. We never unlocked Pogba, but also we did. Mata was always too slow, but now always. Sometimes a (short-term) ex is a great memory and not the one who got away. I'm glad to have seen it, and now I'm glad to see Amad, Mainoo, sometimes even Zirkzee and Licha (though... bad time to mention him perhaps).

This season is hard to count your blessings, but it is interesting to see where they'll go from here. I thought ETH would be a perfect match, but now I hope Amorim offers something interesting after - probably - some time. I hope so, but until then we can root for the small moments of joy, too, while simultaneously can keep an eye out for Rashford and if he can flourish again, or Villa in general after these transfers. If you're not too much into the bitter rivalry it's also interesting to see if this new Liverpool is the real deal, if CDM-Gravenberch is. Will Yamal rule the world?

I wonder how that Arsenal kid will do. No expectations but hope the mould fits a Licha-sized-hole somewhat, or adds something in another way.

Enough to look out for, no matter how gloomy things look. And some of those Amad passes and dribbles in the meantime? Sign me up.
 
So this is what it's come to? A thread where we lie to ourselves for our own mental security. Wow, this might be more depressing than the rest of the threads.
 
Great thread.
1. The fans
2. Amorims grin
3. Harry and Amad
4. Rashford gone
5. The Academy
5. The Fans
6. Some good young signings
7. Some signs of sense in the leadership
8. The Fans