Have you ever been closer to wanting us to lose?

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mu4c_20le said:
Sounds like you are letting your personal feelings and agenda take over. Wins are never meaningless unless you are happy to throw away the season just to have a change.
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I’d rather sacrifice a pawn now as part of a plan to take a queen, than put all my key pieces at risk to protect that pawn, and throw away any chance of eventual victory.

Keeping Ole means throwing away the season, as he is incapable of winning a serious trophy. Losing 3 points now is irritating, but preferable to losing every big match we face at the end of the season, due to poor team set-up/ motivation.

How many other sides in the top 10 would swap their manager with Ole? It’s never a good idea to let a kid pilot a plane, and let them continue because they are narrowly avoiding buildings.
 
What a perfect thread to divide the fanbase even more, which just benefit the Glazers.
 
VinzentFTW said:
What a perfect thread to divide the fanbase even more, which just benefit the Glazers.
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The fans should unite in protesting agains the Glazers, escpecially the jokers they allow to run the club. Ole is a sympton of the Glazer ownership, a gullible yes man put in place to do as he is told and pacify a section of the fan base who obsess about the Fergie era. Was Woodward an idiot to appoint him, or actually a genius. Many a serious manager would have likely turned down Ronaldo, despite the goals. But he delivered shirt sales and Twitter follows, which is the GLazer focus. We will nothing with Ole, the football this season is a joke, which reflect the lack of any real football vision about far some superficial copying of a Ferguson era team without any understanding of what that means in practice.
 
jameyzane said:
No they are not! What are you even on? Jesus!
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Do i need to write short not here to understand you what you are wishing and what actually happened in future are two different thing?
You think if we lose game and we will get new great manager, guest what lots of fan had same wishful thinking when we had Moyes, LVG, and JM and we ended with Ole.
After lose again Liverpool I also think he will sack, but here we are.
You said fans who don't wish for lose are wired I say feck it lets enjoy football, lets have some positive.
 
We have a lot of people in this fanbase who started following us because of success and success alone. These people tend not to be from Greater Manchester mainly and a lot of them seem to think they speak on behalf of actual supporters. They are the Mark Goldbridge generation. Spoiled brat plastics.

If you ever want this club to lose you're an absolute joker and need a slap around the chops pronto.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
We have a lot of people in this fanbase who started following us because of success and success alone. These people tend not to be from Greater Manchester mainly and a lot of them seem to think they speak on behalf of actual supporters. They are the Mark Goldbridge generation. Spoiled brat plastics.

If you ever want this club to lose you're an absolute joker and need a slap around the chops pronto.
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Yup, not allowed to have an opinion. Great mindset.

Why do some fans have such xenophobic tendencies? It's pathetic.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
We have a lot of people in this fanbase who started following us because of success and success alone. These people tend not to be from Greater Manchester mainly and a lot of them seem to think they speak on behalf of actual supporters. They are the Mark Goldbridge generation. Spoiled brat plastics.

If you ever want this club to lose you're an absolute joker and need a slap around the chops pronto.
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How many here started supporting before Fergie came to United? Lots of excuses like I was born after that etc. I have seen this club in the 2nd division too but there was always hope we would come up and win trophies and we did. But not now under Ole. He is the worst manager from the time Doc took over apart from Moyes.
 
Flytan said:
Yup, not allowed to have an opinion. Great mindset.

Why do some fans have such xenophobic tendencies? It's pathetic.
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An opinion is fine. Wanting the club you claim to love to lose isn't an opinion. It's just pathetic.
 
Foxbatt said:
How many here started supporting before Fergie came to United? Lots of excuses like I was born after that etc. I have seen this club in the 2nd division too but there was always hope we would come up and win trophies and we did. But not now under Ole. He is the worst manager from the time Doc took over apart from Moyes.
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He's got the 4th highest win ratio in our entire history doesn't he? Talk about hyperbole.

Just went a full season without losing an away game. In the 70's and 80's we were finishing midtable and worse.

And none of that matters anyway.....if you go into a Saturday or Sunday wanting the club to lose you're pathetic in every sense of the word.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Scholes didn't seem exactly overjoyed...

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Tbf he never showed that much emotion in his playing days.

What do you want him to do? Cartwheels for a 2-2 draw?

The reaction was pretty much to be expected. We got out of jail and he and we know it.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Tbf he never showed that much emotion in his playing days.

What do you want him to do? Cartwheels for a 2-2 draw?

The reaction was pretty much to be expected. We got out of jail and he and we know it.
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Er, United legend, from Greater Manchester too (which is important to you) frowning and shaking his head at United grabbing an undeserved last minute equaliser. Doesn't sound like he'd pass your 'top fan' entrance exam...
 
There are fans of Ole Gunnar and fans of Manchester United. The Ole fans wants him to be at OT as manager no matter what. That's why they come up with all the excuses. Manchester United fans know that he is not good enough so want change. The only way the Glazers are going to change him is if he gets stuffed by our rivals.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
An opinion is fine. Wanting the club you claim to love to lose isn't an opinion. It's just pathetic.
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You're looking at it on the basis that it's one game. (Note I'm not at the point where I want to lose any game yet solely because our board are too clueless to rid themselves of Ole)

Most of us see getting rid of Ole as an automatic improvement to United's future. So the logic is that we're going to lose a bunch of games in the coming months/years if this guy stays in charge. If he had just lost one more game and he would be gone now instead, that would be beneficial for the club in the immediate future and long term.

I'd rather that loss have come to Spurs, Atalanta, or Leicester if I were feeling that way.

I do not want to lose to City of Liverpool regardless of how much I dislike our manager.

Point aside, there's a lot of negativity on these forums towards fans that aren't in Manchester. It's appalling some of the comments that are basically "you weren't born here, you don't really care, go away your plastic". United's entire success is because they embraced their global fanbase, so it's a punch in the gut to be called irrelevant just because I can't go see a game. Not to mention I've seen numerous fan videos of people who are in and around Manchester who are just as sick as Ole as you are classifying some of us as.
 
Never never want us to lose. People who want us to loose because of their own agenda and interest are losers.

Excuses like “it’s for the best of the club”doesn’t make sense when the board, players, manager and majority of the supporters want to win.

People who wants us to lose do the opposite of wanting the best for the club. They only try to legitimate their own smartass opinion. It’s obviously very satisfying to tell others “I told you so”! I call it desperate lust after self-glorification.
 
Foxbatt said:
There are fans of Ole Gunnar and fans of Manchester United. The Ole fans wants him to be at OT as manager no matter what. That's why they come up with all the excuses. Manchester United fans know that he is not good enough so want change. The only way the Glazers are going to change him is if he gets stuffed by our rivals.
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You're basically saying anyone that doesn't agree with you isn't a fan of Manchester United?
 
Flytan said:
Most of us see getting rid of Ole as an automatic improvement to United's future.
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Speak for yourself:lol:

Nothing would’ve been better than if Ole and the existing team make success. If Ole fails against City, his project is over; he should retire or be sacked immediately.

If we win against City, everything is possible. We could win the whole shit. It isn’t over before it’s over. As long as we’re in the race, it’s stupidity to want us to lose. So please, people, shape the hell up! We get our answer against City.
 
Polar said:
Speak for yourself:lol:

Nothing would’ve been better than if Ole and the existing team make success. If Ole fails against City, his project is over; he should retire or be sacked immediately.

If we win against City, everything is possible. We could win the whole shit. It isn’t over before it’s over. As long as we’re in the race, it’s stupidity to want us to lose. So please, people, shape the hell up! We get our answer against City.
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It was over seasons ago. Yes, this season is still alive but his failures have been going on for years. He hasn't improved as a manager in three years, players regress the longer they are here, and his built one of the most lopsided squads in world football. Of course he can win vs. City, look at our talent, I just have no belief that we won't go on another run of shit form that sinks us further down the table next month.
 
Limping on until the season is irretrievably lost is what real fans want.
 
Cannot fathom why anybody would want us to lose at home to City, absolutely astounding comments in here at the moment
 
Flytan said:
It was over seasons ago. Yes, this season is still alive but his failures have been going on for years. He hasn't improved as a manager in three years, players regress the longer they are here, and his built one of the most lopsided squads in world football. Of course he can win vs. City, look at our talent, I just have no belief that we won't go on another run of shit form that sinks us further down the table next month.
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Was our second place a failure? We have steady improved until the last couple of months.

The shit play started in the middle of september. Before that we had some huge wins. How we’ve played the last 50d is the reason why a tend to agree with some of your arguments and also why I say it’s win or leave for Ole on Saturday.

If we win against City, I don’t see how a temporary solution and more noise will make us more robust for the title race.

And yes… I don’t think we missed anything when Conte joined Tottenham. Our long term solution can’t be a manager who stays max 2y before the players and board are sick and tired because of him.
 
Polar said:
Was our second place a failure? We have steady improved until the last couple of months.

The shit play started in the middle of september. Before that we had some huge wins. How we’ve played the last 50d is the reason why a tend to agree with some of your arguments and also why I say it’s win or leave for Ole on Saturday.

If we win against City, I don’t see how a temporary solution and more noise will make us more robust for the title race.

And yes… I don’t think we missed anything when Conte joined Tottenham. Our long term solution can’t be a manager who stays max 2y before the players and board are sick and tired because of him.
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Yeah hiring long term managers and firing them after two years has worked out really well.

This long term obsession is pathetic honestly. Stop selling me something three years in the future. This squad is good enough to win now with Conte.
 
Flytan said:
Yeah hiring long term managers and firing them after two years has worked out really well.

This long term obsession is pathetic honestly. Stop selling me something three years in the future. This squad is good enough to win now with Conte.
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Couldn’t agree more.

Because of SAF, fans (and the great man himself) seem to believe that you need to stick with an underperforming manager for some sort of long term success.

The truth is, we could spend a billion pounds on our squad, and I (and most on the caf) wouldn’t believe we would win the title under Ole.

That was never the case with SAF, who had achieved excellent things before he joined.

I’m not even sure that would be the case with Moyes, who was awful but is a better manager than Ole.

And it certainly isn’t the case with Conte, Zidane etc
 
Viral United said:
Do i need to write short not here to understand you what you are wishing and what actually happened in future are two different thing?
You think if we lose game and we will get new great manager, guest what lots of fan had same wishful thinking when we had Moyes, LVG, and JM and we ended with Ole.
After lose again Liverpool I also think he will sack, but here we are.
You said fans who don't wish for lose are wired I say feck it lets enjoy football, lets have some positive.
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Define "sarcasm". It might come in handy.
 
Judge Red said:
Ronaldo saving a point shouldn’t be saving Ole’s job.
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The operative word being SHOULDN'T.

But he IS.

And I can't help but feel Ole brought Ronaldo in and thought "Fook me! A bloody walking get-out-of-jail-free card right there! And the Ace as well..."
 
I don't want us to lose. I also don't want this manager to carry on. I believe that a defeat vs City, if that leads to the manager's dismissal, will end up having a less negative affect on the rest of the season than getting a fluke result that allows him to limp on and once pressure is off we go back to being outplayed by Watford or making Norwich look like world beaters.

So yeah, I want us to win but I also accept given what that would buy the manager in terms of time, it would be a result that'll more negatively impact the medium term future of our season than a defeat.
 
stw2022 said:
I don't want us to lose. I also don't want this manager to carry on. I believe that a defeat vs City, if that leads to the manager's dismissal, will end up having a less negative affect on the rest of the season than getting a fluke result that allows him to limp on and once pressure is off we go back to being outplayed by Watford or making Norwich look like world beaters.

So yeah, I want us to win but I also accept given what that would buy the manager in terms of time, it would be a result that'll more negatively impact the medium term future of our season than a defeat.
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Wont happen. Its more or less certain now that Ole will survive this season. Its in our interest to keep winning and be in contention for top 4. Not having CL next season and we wont be able to retain Ronaldo
 
Foxbatt said:
There are fans of Ole Gunnar and fans of Manchester United. The Ole fans wants him to be at OT as manager no matter what. That's why they come up with all the excuses. Manchester United fans know that he is not good enough so want change. The only way the Glazers are going to change him is if he gets stuffed by our rivals.
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I haven’t seen one post saying that.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Wont happen. Its more or less certain now that Ole will survive this season. Its in our interest to keep winning and be in contention for top 4. Not having CL next season and we wont be able to retain Ronaldo
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Oh cool, you know the future. Email the mods and we can all go home.

Where do we finish this year? I've got an assignment to finish so it'll be nice to have weekends back.
 
I did too for the Spurs game and for the first time for me, but not anymore since Spurs got Conte. He was the only realistic one I could imagine making a huge impact.
 
stw2022 said:
Oh cool, you know the future. Email the mods and we can all go home.

Where do we finish this year? I've got an assignment to finish so it'll be nice to have weekends back.
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Maybe you are not familiar with concept of opinion. Everything mentioned here is just an opinion.

Not sure about where we finish this year but with that attitude, maybe not very far in actual life.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Wont happen. Its more or less certain now that Ole will survive this season. Its in our interest to keep winning and be in contention for top 4. Not having CL next season and we wont be able to retain Ronaldo
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I think it depends upon the manner of the defeat. If we're 3 down after 20 mins and the atmosphere in the ground turns nasty then I think the pressure on the board to make a change will be extreme.

But I think that's the only scenario that might be enough - I don't think a run-of-the-mill 0-2 or 1-2 will be enough...unfortunately.
 
We win, Ole will stay, we tie, Ole will stay, we lose 3-0 Ole will stay, we lose 5+, Ole will go in my opinion, with that being said, I doubt they’ll score 5+ goals, I think the match will be a low scoring tie, and Ole would stay. So regardless of what you want, I highly doubt Ole will get sacked.
 
Dan_F said:
I haven’t seen one post saying that.
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No, me neither. You'd think people were moaning about enough already without them having to make stuff up.
 
An outstanding team performance from manchester united left pep fuming at the final whistle as the red side of manchester exploded with joy.
You read it here first.
 
LilyWhiteSpur said:
Why would any supporter want their team to loose, its totally obtuse to me, why do you even follow your club?
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Starts with them being against the manager. Then if there is a sudden success by the manager it may prove difficult to do a U-turn and support the manager. So then hope for a loss, subsequently manager being fired and no U-turn needed.

Pathetic but true.
 
DLE said:
Starts with them being against the manager. Then if there is a sudden success by the manager it may prove difficult to do a U-turn and support the manager. So then hope for a loss, subsequently manager being fired and no U-turn needed.

Pathetic but true.
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What if it's clear in most people's heads that Ole isn't good enough to go head to head against arguably 3 or 4 of the greatest managers in the world. Even Oles most staunchist supporters know he's going to be replaced sooner rather than later so why prolong the agony?
 
Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
You're basically saying anyone that doesn't agree with you isn't a fan of Manchester United?
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Nope. It's what the Ole ins are saying. To me it doesn't matter who the manager is if we win trophies and then play good football.
It could be Mike Bassett for all I care.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
What if it's clear in most people's heads that Ole isn't good enough to go head to head against arguably 3 or 4 of the greatest managers in the world. Even Oles most staunchist supporters know he's going to be replaced sooner rather than later so why prolong the agony?
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Perhaps to plan the next change rather than leap to the next "best available this week" choice that could happen? Or because he has built a decent squad and came 2nd in the PL last year? Personally I doubt he has what it takes to advance us further but if you are going to change you want to do it well preferably without the need for any interim solutions.
 
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