No.
What is the plan here?
What is the plan here?
Have we scored from a short corner?
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My same thought, we wasted so much opportunity, going short all the time.
I found it infuriating, and at the end we went long and scored. The lack of tall players was maybe why, I just found in frustrating.
How often were we scoring from the long ones?
We are not a threat from normal corners. At least with the short ones we look slightly more threatening and drag them out of position a bit.
I guess they have been working on something and I wouldn’t give up on them yet.
I guess they have been working on something and I wouldn’t give up on them yet.
The plan was to be in better crossing positions while displacing the defense which is exactly what happened. The issue is that for some reason our players add an unnecessary pass instead of crossing it.
No but we never score from long ones and we just turnover possession and give them a chance to counter.
One thing we've got really good at under Ten Hag is sustaining pressure outside the opposition box and keeping the ball in circulation in that area. I can understand the short corners because it maintains this cycle and we don't have many goal threats in the air anyway. That set piece coach hasn't been great but he's young and survived Ole's sacking so maybe there is something there.
Didn't ronaldo scored like 2 or 3 times last season, and Maguire once? and varane as well.
I remember when Barca killed us at Wembley when they kept doing that. Played it short and created natural triangles that guaranteed them possession in our box
Also have anyone noticed that we give short or aerially weak players the job to cover for tall opposition?
Against Chelsea it was Fred defending Chalobah, that's 20 cm of height difference at least.
I also noticed Eriksen defending against tall players, it hasn't cost us yet but it will.
Need to do better.
Against Chelsea it was Fred defending Chalobah, that's 20 cm of height difference at least.
I also noticed Eriksen defending against tall players, it hasn't cost us yet but it will.
Need to do better.
Hate our corners, both attacking and defending. Always look like conceding, never look like scoring.
Not lose the ball immediately because nobody can get to the end of a long one.
And how many of them was in the pitch yesterday?
We look more likely to create something from a short corner. Almost did a couple of times yesterday, but the movements didn’t quite come together. Maybe needs a bit more time on the training ground but I’m ok with this approach.
Our issues with corners begin with the players. So conceding vs some teams is probably smart for this season, then try to tool the squad better in the next couple windows to open up that part of the game. It's irritating for sure but I don't think counting the short corners is helpful.
Makes a change from failing to score with a long corner
Throws, that's where we need improve
We stopped doing it because the refs liked to shaft us
Usually short corners annoy me so much but it’s so clear that there’s something that’s been worked on, I’m confident it’ll lead to a goal eventually
God we are laughable at them, just throw it to the opposition and be done with it.
Look at Villa's first goal today. Now that's a well worked short corner
Exactly this.
I think about this more regularly than is normal. Still bothers me. Can’t remember what the score was or how Important the result turned out to be. But that was a legitimate goal.
No surprise it was against Chelsea either. Can’t remember a fixture against them in 25 years where they haven’t got the benefit of referee decisions
The reason may just be that it's actually pretty difficult to score from a corner and you'll often give up possession as a result. Are teams more likely to score from a corner than they are when they have the ball just outside the box? The answer will vary by team but IIRC a few years ago the answer was that teams were less likely to score from corner kicks.
There's also the issue that there is only so much time to do team training drills and you could spend a lot of time trying to improve attacking corner for a return of maybe 2-3 goals in 38 games while sacrificing practice time on other things.
We have no idea how team practice time is allocated right now but it wouldn't surprise me if they've been almost entirely focused on tactics during open play and not spending a lot of time on attacking set pieces.
There's also the issue that there is only so much time to do team training drills and you could spend a lot of time trying to improve attacking corner for a return of maybe 2-3 goals in 38 games while sacrificing practice time on other things.
We have no idea how team practice time is allocated right now but it wouldn't surprise me if they've been almost entirely focused on tactics during open play and not spending a lot of time on attacking set pieces.
Been like that for years.
We scored one in 1963 Bobby Davenham off a Mitchy Garibald cross down in Gillingham.
I remember going with my old man, paid 2 quid (bobins in those days) for me and him. You got an onion at half time, which was the style at the time.
I remember going with my old man, paid 2 quid (bobins in those days) for me and him. You got an onion at half time, which was the style at the time.
Yes, the percentage of corner kicks that result in a goal is tiny. As low as 1.2 percent in some studies. It makes sense then for good teams who maintain possession well to play it in rather than cross it in. Same as open play.
That fecking Drogba goal at OT that was a postcode offside that won them the league in 2010 was a particular highlight.
Well, our CBs are hardly a threat in the air. So that's one answer. Obviously, there is more than one way to attack the box. It annoys me though when we ended up passing all the back to our own box from a corner.
The funny thing with this was we had to retake the corner and we scored again anyway (Vidic from memory) and we still beat them.
Always thought you were a guy in your teens creating new threads day after day .
But we're still at a risk of being countered even if we play it short as 5-6 of our players (including both cb and rb) remain in rival's penalty area, so if we give away the ball under pressure we could be in trouble anyway.
As someone said above we overplayed it instead of putting the ball into the box. I think passing it to the edge of the penalty box gives a better angle and can make it more difficult to defend if the cross is on target, everyone misses the ball and there's not much time for a goalkeeper to react.
You're only as young as you feel.
It feels like a trope of our signings is their set pieces turning to shit. We’d get Trippier and Maddison and they’d go a couple of years without scoring from a free kick, suddenly hitting the first man at corners every time.
Happy we ditched long corners. We are shote at them and just get countered.
Agree with many here, I like short corners and the variation of trying to pass it around and finding better angles.
I like our defensive efforts and shape of late but I think we are still vulnerable on the break and in transition. It's exactly why we shouldn't be crossing it into the box, especially when we don't have the personnel for it as the oppositions can just get the ball and run at us in open space.
It hasn't been the best execution as we have overplayed and picked the wrong passes but it's definitely the right approach. I've been particularly impressed with that small change, which seems to be a clear instruction from ETH.
I like our defensive efforts and shape of late but I think we are still vulnerable on the break and in transition. It's exactly why we shouldn't be crossing it into the box, especially when we don't have the personnel for it as the oppositions can just get the ball and run at us in open space.
It hasn't been the best execution as we have overplayed and picked the wrong passes but it's definitely the right approach. I've been particularly impressed with that small change, which seems to be a clear instruction from ETH.
I've got no issue with us using them, though I do feel like we are over using it at times. If every single one of our corners is short, it becomes expected and teams will prepare for it.
So, once we stopped making short corners every time and mixed with long corners, we actually looked threatened in set pieces and scored a goal.
I don't mean to stop trying short corners, altogether but we were wasting unbelievable amount of them in the past few games.
I don't mean to stop trying short corners, altogether but we were wasting unbelievable amount of them in the past few games.
The most idiotic thing I've seen us do in a long time. A complete fail each time. We don't even have anything planned for it, we just ruin the opportunity. Unbelievable that we do this in stoppage time.
Maguire as cf = short corner = 