Has the transfer pool ever been this shallow....?

There's no real big club winners in this market though, is there?

Juventus are about to sell Pogba for £89m (pubic knowledge) and get screwed for £90m for an overweight Higuain.
Barcelona get fecked over by Neymar, selling him for €200m by Dortmund for Dembele but still have money in the bank.
Liverpool screw over Barcelona for Coutinho because their Neymar money.
Liverpool get the Coutinho money and get screwed for VVD.

If we sold Pogba for example, we'd have to pay £100m for SMS who is overrated.
If Chelsea sell Hazard...etc...etc

The only winners seem to be smaller PL clubs who have massive spending power compared to their European counterparts yet don't have too much 'PL Tax'.
 
SER19 said:
City and PSG skewed everything, like Rummenigge yesteray they are the great inflators
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You right about City but PSG didn't really skewed the market. All they did is paid release clause for Neymar. It's Barca's own fault they set his value so low. What really caused the ridiculous inflation is spastic EPL clubs like Everton who overpaid for average players who aren't worth the fee they splash. As long as the TV deal is huge, you'll be seeing more clubs throwing silly money than using their common sense.
 
Kag said:
This is a fallacy. We've done this more under Woodward/his managers already in comparison to the large majority of the Gill/Ferguson era.

So much so that lots of people still want us to buy more superstars.
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I agree with that but we do it badly. We spend too much on middle of the road players. When you look at the players that we purchased for 25m/45m, it's totally wrong. I think that we need to put a 20m limit for gambles and slightly increase our top player average fee, also the bottom of the team needs to be dedicated to academy/cheap gamble players, that's how you maximize your budgets, we can't spend 30m on the 5th CB.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yes patience is required unless some of those young players hit the ground running.
The pressure Jose is under to challenge for the PL and CL titles is immense hence he will always look for proven players, particularly ones he has worked with before or know off. This is where fan patience is required so that an environment is created where young kids can be given chances to succeed. If fans are
always shouting about the manager or the board then they will continually try to buy their way to titles and this doesn’t work anymore with the prices reaching critical silliness levels. The board and sponsors need to buy in. Some teams need to go back to basics, us included. What style of football? What profile of players? I suppose this is where a strong DoF would come in.
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In a weird way this model, wasn’t this what we bought LVG for? The setting up of a long term success. He was linked with quite a few young players. Leroy Sane, Jesus, Dembele for example. Don’t know if he’d have got any of them but that was the market we were looking at.

With any team you will need some experienced players to help these youngsters deal and we had that at the time but no one seemed to really be performing at the time, the fans and media at the time turned and the board panicked and lost the nerve to hold out and develop the team. I know everyone is different but I had more patience towards what LVG was trying to do opposed to what Jose is currently trying to achieve. Both ways to success are going to be hard, as many have said the way the market is now you can’t really just flash the cash and get the players you want, most clubs now have the power to resist and the players that I imagine we would be targeting are tier 1 or tier 2 players already at good clubs.

Maybe for the future the Chelsea model or really what Porto and Benfica have done for years of taking risks on young promising players and loan them. Sure there was talk not that long ago of us looking to buy another team to use as a training/holding club. Nothing seems to have come from that.
 
Looking back it was good business to get Pogba and Lukaku for the fees we paid. In today's market they'd be worth considerably more. Having said that maybe we may see some deflation in the transfer market because it has certainly reached boiling point for some big clubs.
 
We are seeing stage 1 of moving towards clubs developing their own players again. Nobody except state backed clubs are constantly spend in this market.
 
Trizy said:
There's no real big club winners in this market though, is there?

Juventus are about to sell Pogba for £89m (pubic knowledge) and get screwed for £90m for an overweight Higuain.
Barcelona get fecked over by Neymar, selling him for €200m by Dortmund for Dembele but still have money in the bank.
Liverpool screw over Barcelona for Coutinho because their Neymar money.
Liverpool get the Coutinho money and get screwed for VVD.

If we sold Pogba for example, we'd have to pay £100m for SMS who is overrated.
If Chelsea sell Hazard...etc...etc

The only winners seem to be smaller PL clubs who have massive spending power compared to their European counterparts yet don't have too much 'PL Tax'.
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Interesting perspective. There are other winners tho - city don't care what they spend. And Madrid and barce seem to be able to get players to pressure for moves even in this environment. It seems to be less effective but still a power they have. Bayer still seem yo be able to get great deals done too.
 
golden_blunder said:
I think what fans need to accept is that we should start taking more punts on lesser known players rather than buying ‘superstars’ and accepting that it may mean that it’s not immediately important impacting the team but within a few years these players may be superstars themselves (eg. Dalot)
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To be honest I feel that Fergie did that quite a lot during his time. Often it paid off, sometimes it didn't, but we were used to it in the main and even joked about it, I mean Anderson was a continuous source of endearment. What this policy does do is, in my mind, is breed a stronger loyalty, ambition and higher work rate from the players, something I think we have been missing in recent years.
 
We have a manager who won't buy anyone but well tested players. He doesn't trust his own ability to pick talent. This cuts down considerably the size of market he is looking at when buying players
 
JPRouve said:
I agree with that but we do it badly. We spend too much on middle of the road players. When you look at the players that we purchased for 25m/45m, it's totally wrong. I think that we need to put a 20m limit for gambles and slightly increase our top player average fee, also the bottom of the team needs to be dedicated to academy/cheap gamble players, that's how you maximize your budgets, we can't spend 30m on the 5th CB.
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Completely agree with this. I get tired of seeing the club spunk £30m on some player I’ve never even heard of who looked good in a crap league. Fair enough if we want to take a punt here and there, but we normally seem to be doing that in positions we are desperately short in - which is when we shouldn’t be taking risks.

And like you said - it’s crazy to be spending money on 4th/5th choices when we have academy players who could step up.
 
Mozza said:
I'm talking this seasons transfers and Dalot is a young lad whos not expected to be first team
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I fecking hope he is otherwise we have a 33 year old(starting to succumb to the odd injury)as right back for the season.I believe that Dalot will play more than his share of games this season.
 
English clubs are to blame for this. And as much i want class players and titles i respect that at least so far this year we stopped with that nonsense. When PL clubs( city was first in that) started to pay solid, squad players 40 mil and giving starting wage 100k per week then what they expected? Every club that have class player will put 70-80 mil price.
I don't mind paying what it takes for world class players who make difference and bring you money off the pitch but fees for other players are ridiculous.
Toby,willian, perisic are players who have nearly 30 years abd are around 70 mil euros?? Yes, they are good, we need them but 70 mil? Come on...

Edit: just watching mahrez and mendy on tv. They are 70 mil euros players?
 
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