Has political correctness actually gone mad?

That's why I love books even when it comes to science, I often struggle to remain focused on screens but with a book my mindset is different. I wonder if it's common.

Interesting theory. I only read books in bed at night via a screen (backlit kindle) and rattle through a couple of chapters a time, no problem. Can’t remember the last time I made it to the end of a long read in the newspapers, without skimming, during daylight hours.
 
Dunno about IQ but I’m willing to bet the mean attention span has been absolutely decimated over the last decade.

Says he, flicking between the caf, CL football and a whatsapp group chat about the world record for hanging off a bar (two hours 22 minutes, with shaking out allowed, 20 minutes without)

What’s shaking out? 20mins to 2:22 is a bloody big difference.
 
Dunno about IQ but I’m willing to bet the mean attention span has been absolutely decimated over the last decade.

Says he, flicking between the caf, CL football and a whatsapp group chat about the world record for hanging off a bar (two hours 22 minutes, with shaking out allowed, 20 minutes without)

Sure, but imagine how good our attention spans would be without books. Or wall paintings. And think about how good it would be before we had spoken language to coddle us.

It's definitely true, kinda, but I am pretty sure there's a healthy dose of Socrates complaining about kids these days in it too.
 
Sure, but imagine how good our attention spans would be without books. Or wall paintings. And think about how good it would be before we had spoken language to coddle us.

It's definitely true, kinda, but I am pretty sure there's a healthy dose of Socrates complaining about kids these days in it too.

Listen, pal, the highpoint of human achievement was the mid 90s. It’s all gone to shit since those glory days. I won’t hear any different. Fecking kids and their smartphones and their progressive politics. Bah humbug.
 
Secondly the imbecile in the video is seemingly not aware of the American Civil War or he is trying to bamboozle people into thinking that the issue of slavery was settled in a debate.
I encountered the same thing (slightly repackaged) in another argument about free speech some time ago. Boggles the mind, it does.
 
Intolerance of any view is fine if we can still respect the person with the view.
For example, religious views about homosexuality will differ from western mainstream views.
Does this mean that people of faith have to be despised by the liberal left, or is it enough to simply disagree?
You know the answer there mate. Especially here. Kudos for keeping to your opinion against well, everyone. Anyway it's two of us now I guess:lol:.
 
Intolerance of any view is fine if we can still respect the person with the view.
For example, religious views about homosexuality will differ from western mainstream views.
Does this mean that people of faith have to be despised by the liberal left, or is it enough to simply disagree?

If people of faith are happy to accept homosexuals having the same rights as them, then they can agree to disagree all they like.

Do you think religious people should be tolerant of homosexuals and allow them to live their lives how they wish? Or does their own tolerance only extend to those who think like them?
 
Sure, but imagine how good our attention spans would be without books. Or wall paintings. And think about how good it would be before we had spoken language to coddle us.

It's definitely true, kinda, but I am pretty sure there's a healthy dose of Socrates complaining about kids these days in it too.

Haha that's Socrates too. In Phaerdus there's a long speech about how writing is rotting memory and nobody really remembers anything anymore.
 
That's why I love books even when it comes to science, I often struggle to remain focused on screens but with a book my mindset is different. I wonder if it's common.
Same for me. It's easy for me to read books and remain focused.
 

University professor fired for saying that her worst students are almost always Black

A university professor in the United States has been fired from her position after she said on a Zoom call that her poorest performing students are nearly always Black.
Professor Sandra Sellers who worked at Georgetown University Law Center in Washington DC told her colleague David Batson that she has an ‘angst’ every semester that her “lower ones” i.e. students that will achieve the lowest grades will be “Blacks.”
In a video of the call she says “I hate to say this. I end up having this angst every semester that a lot of my lower ones are Blacks. Happens almost every semester. And it’s like, oh come on. You get some really good ones, but there are also usually some that are just plain at the bottom. It drives me crazy.”
https://www.indy100.com/news/georgetown-university-professor-fired-black-racism-b1817024

Is this necessarily racist? She talks about having 'angst' over the situation. It's only being discussed because it's an issue that she doesn't feel comfortable about.
 
You’re negatively defining a group by their race. Just seems an obviously racist comment to me. This doesn’t necessarily mean this woman is a racist, but what she said & how she said it is racist in tone.
 
You’re negatively defining a group by their race. Just seems an obviously racist comment to me. This doesn’t necessarily mean this woman is a racist, but what she said & how she said it is racist in tone.
So are you opposed to Affirmative Action for the same reason?
 
So are you opposed to Affirmative Action for the same reason?
That’s a shaky comparison. A lot has to do with intent; AA was intended to help, the angst shown here is not one of wanting to help, she’s definitely not signaling altruism. She’s demeaning them, you can hear a lot of ‘typical’ in her voice.

But that’s just me.

You don’t think her comments had any negative racial overtones to them?
 
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It can't be self fulfilling if there are exceptions. And her 'angst' suggests that she wants to do something about it.
I'm not saying she is racist, I'm saying it's a racist statement. And I really don't see how exceptions rule out a self fulfilling prophecy!? It's a well covered phenomena:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...me, teachers,lead to higher achievement gains.

I think it's the sort of statement even people dedicated to fighting racism might make without having thought about it (not saying she is, I know nothing about her).
 


https://www.indy100.com/news/georgetown-university-professor-fired-black-racism-b1817024

Is this necessarily racist? She talks about having 'angst' over the situation. It's only being discussed because it's an issue that she doesn't feel comfortable about.


That's horrific on a number of levels. Even ignoring the language itself (no one surely can defend ‘the blacks’ used like that in that context) her attitude is one that I’ve sadly come across a lot amongst academics of her age. These are people who, theoretically, ascribe to the idea that they are progressives, and that they are in favour of diversity and inclusivity, but when push comes to shove will fight tooth and nail to preserve the status quo on spurious grounds like, as we see in this video, ‘unfortunately it’s the white students who are just better’.

Black students who excel, perhaps the ones lucky enough to have received better schooling, are dismissed as exceptions, and black students who aren’t perhaps as ready are dismissed as thickos who shouldn’t be there and whose initial struggles in her class prove that they’re a bit dumb. It’s a racist trope being used to prop up systematic racism.

And that’s before we even get in to some of the other issues that we can guess at here. This woman’s attitude is conservative, so you have to wonder at what her teaching pedagogy is. Is she adopting innovative, inclusive pedagogy that recognises the diversity of backgrounds from which her students have been drawn from, or does she have a rigid fixed idea of what her students should be, and teaches in a way that only benefits them, thus leaving behind learners that don’t initially and immediately conform to her expectations?

I don’t know anything about her beyond that video, but that video alone makes me think she’s a bad educator who should not be in front of students without some significant training (which of course is training that people of her seniority in academia outright fight against having to do because they think there’s nothing for them to learn).
 

A high profile journalist has been found to have been racist towards someone and incited hatred against her and it was serious enough a case to warrant 'substantial damages'.
I think this belongs more in the racism thread than this PC gone mad one tbh.
 
A high profile journalist has been found to have been racist towards someone and incited hatred against her and it was serious enough a case to warrant 'substantial damages'.
I think this belongs more in the racism thread than this PC gone mad one tbh.

Agreed. She’s quite a piece of work. Which is exactly what you’d expect from anyone going in to bat for a prick like Rod Liddle.
 
A high profile journalist has been found to have been racist towards someone and incited hatred against her and it was serious enough a case to warrant 'substantial damages'.
I think this belongs more in the racism thread than this PC gone mad one tbh.

Its a counter point to the 'PC gone mad' brigade. After Burchill abused Ash her book publisher terminated her contract and the right wing media made Burchill out to be a victim of 'cancel culture', which is absolutely absurd. Losing your job as a result of racially abusing someone on social media is a fair consequence of your actions.
 
Its a counter point to the 'PC gone mad' brigade. After Burchill abused Ash her book publisher terminated her contract and the right wing media made Burchill out to be a victim of 'cancel culture', which is absolutely absurd. Losing your job as a result of racially abusing someone on social media is a fair consequence of your actions.
Yep and Burchill had to apologise for linking the two as well, but it did all feed in to the 'victimised' right's narrative of being cancelled, without considering that publishers are free not to line the pockets of proven racists.
At least Burchill has seemingly been properly held to account over actions. People need to know that tweets can have repercussions.
 
“In my case, If I’m ever confronted I’m going to tell them to go to hell,” one comment stated. “There will be no discussion. And if they persist, I’m going to knock the shit out of them.”

Kindsvatter replied, “damn straight.”
 
You’re negatively defining a group by their race. Just seems an obviously racist comment to me. This doesn’t necessarily mean this woman is a racist, but what she said & how she said it is racist in tone.

What if she could back it up by fact? Would it still be racist?
 


https://www.indy100.com/news/georgetown-university-professor-fired-black-racism-b1817024

Is this necessarily racist? She talks about having 'angst' over the situation. It's only being discussed because it's an issue that she doesn't feel comfortable about.


It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. . . . Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

US Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, expressing his angst at the fate of imbeciles being executed and starved, and thus legalising forced sterilisation of these imbeciles as the alternative. I don't think his expression of angst alleviates his actions.
Not the best quote to respond with probably, but I saw it today, and remembered it when I saw you mention her angst.

In this context, it's not even clear what her angst is about. Is it angst that she has to teach her lessers? Or that her lessers aren't doing well?

Even if you give her the benefit of the doubt and take the second choice, what a black person would know, going into her classroom, is that any failure of theirs would be a reflection on their race rather than an individual problem, and that as her brain forms the patterns associating bad and black, that those failures would get emphasised.