Has Frankie Boyle gone too far?

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Channel 4 urged to sack comedian Frankie Boyle in race jibe row - mirror.co.uk

HE’S no stranger to controversy… and last night comedian Frankie Boyle was said to be unrepentant over his latest outburst.
Friends claim he has laughed off calls for him to be banned from TV following a deluge of complaints about racist language in his Channel 4 show Tramadol Nights.

Many viewers were outraged after he used the P-word and n-word during a series of near-the-knuckle sketches.
One skit involved a woman dressed as Super Mario. She danced provocatively in front of the cameras before waving and saying: “Hello to P***’s everywhere.”

Then during his stand-up routine Boyle, 38, turned the subject to war.
He said: “Basically we are murdering a load of shepherds. What gets me is our callousness as a society when we read out our dead on the news first, because our lives are more important. Other people’s aren’t worth as much.”
Adopting a newsreader’s tone, he added: “A bomb went off in Kandahar today, killing two British servicemen, three UN relief workers and a whole bunch of P****.”
Later he said: “The Ministry of Defence? At least in the old days we were honest, it was The Ministry of War.”
In a posh phone voice he added: “Hello Ministry of War, department of n*****-bombing, how can I help?”
His remarks triggered a furious reaction. A spokesman for Show Racism the Red Card said: “We condemn Frankie Boyle’s use of racist terminology.
“Regardless of context and intention, the use of words such as these has the effect of normalising racist language.
“That is never acceptable. It is dehumanising and provides the foundations on which serious hate crimes are built.” MP John Whittingdale, chairman of the culture, media and sport select committee, said: “There’s no question that these words are deeply offensive to many people.
“I think it’s entirely right that Ofcom should carry out an immediate investigation to decide whether this is acceptable.

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Has Frankie Boyle gone too far this time?
 
No.

I don't find him particularly funny, for the most part, but clearly intent is what charges words... that and people's misconceptions about what the intent is.

Was it on afternoon telly? Was it on a children's show? It'd have to be some sort of thing like that for me to agree.
 
Ofcom should carry out an immediate investigation to decide whether this is acceptable.
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Funniest bit of the whole lot that.

I can just imagine a whole load of old men sat round a table reading those quotes over an over again, agonising over whether or not they are acceptable.
 
I don't think he has.

He's highlighting institutional racism and the ignorance of our society. He used the derrogatory words "P-ki and N-gger" because he believes that is how the media view them, not how he views them.

It's just a shame "Show Racism the Red Card" isn't smart enough to back him. I can understand their want for the use of the words to stay as a taboo but they must surely realise that what he is saying is actually supporting their cause by highlighting the ignorance of the media by using these words as the taboo they are?
 
So long as mankind manages to get upset about petty shit like this we will never see anything remotely resembling peace, tranquility and rationality.
 
Frankie Boyle is controversial for the sake of being controversial, i watched the show and before it was an announcement that said something along the lines of,

"This show contains strong language and themes of an adult nature, due to the content some people will be offended"

Not "may" be offended, but "will". It's his entire angle.
 
I think more people should complain that the show is shite more than anything
 
I don't find him funny and wouldn't really mind if he wasn't on tv any more but that complaint is just retarded. Offcom should launch an immediate investigation into the comedy routines of Chris Rock et al while they're at it. "Show Racism the Red Card" must have been formed by idiots.
 
He just seems to tell all his jokes of his dvd on the few shows I have seem just like he did on Mock the Week. If you have seen both dvds no point in watch his show.

When he controversial a few yearas ago they were funny now he is just controversial for the sake of it without being funny.
 
horselesspaul said:
I don't find him funny, generally.
He seems to miss the point of using shock tactics imo where many others hit easily with me. Tramadol Nights is getting panned by his fellow comics for its lazy writing fwiw.
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Comics are often the worst possible judges of other comics. They are basically just needy little children who spend all their time competing with one another to tell some shit gags which often leads to jealousy and back-biting. Everything they say is filtered through a prism of 'I have a gag like that but much better'.
 
That is true Lee Evans and Michael Mcintyre who are 2 of the most successful are not liked by most comedians
 
Michael Mcintyre is a comedian? Shit I thought he was just an escapee Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
 
Tremendous mainstream success in stand-up (and comedy in general) has indeed often pointed to it being unoriginal and shite... Sod the standard lazy observationalist twats.
 
Michael Mcintyre is the worst fecking human in the world.

I hate him, little stupid, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime-spreading Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, who isn't funny, somehow commands legions of retards, and believes that the louder you speak, the quicker someone will laugh.

End of the day, you are a useless, unaborted factually wrong, living consequence of sperm tainted with radio-active materials.

He is not liked by most comedians, because most comedians enjoy comedy, not brainrape.
 
Hectic said:
Michael Mcintyre is the worst fecking human in the world.

I hate him, little stupid, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime-spreading Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, who isn't funny, somehow commands legions of retards, and believes that the louder you speak, the quicker someone will laugh.

End of the day, you are a useless, unaborted factually wrong, living consequence of sperm tainted with radio-active materials.

He is not liked by most comedians, because most comedians enjoy comedy, not brainrape.
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Oh, come on Hectic... The stuff he says about the tube is sooooo true lolz.
 
Frankie Boyle isn't even funny - just has to be controversial to try to be funny - I bet he doesn't even believe 99% of what he says.
 
Hectic said:
Michael Mcintyre is the worst fecking human in the world.

I hate him, little stupid, Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime-spreading Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime, who isn't funny, somehow commands legions of retards, and believes that the louder you speak, the quicker someone will laugh.

End of the day, you are a useless, unaborted factually wrong, living consequence of sperm tainted with radio-active materials.

He is not liked by most comedians, because most comedians enjoy comedy, not brainrape.
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so you still rate him then Hectic

PS Boyle is an unfunny cnut and a sorry advert for a man but that apart theres nowt that I don't like about him
 
I was going to bring McIntyre up when Rooney1987 mentioned Boyle recycling jokes from his DVDs on tv shows - McIntyre does this relentlessly as well. I remember the first few times I saw him I thought he was quite funny, I then watched his (I think second) DVD and turned it off after not very long; it was absolute shite.
 
All comedians recycle jokes. Do you know how hard it is to write 20 minutes of stand-up?

Unless you're one of those observational comedians who just notice things, and then fool people into thinking they're being funny.
 
I don't see why people get worked up over mainstream stand up comedians who go for easy jokes. Stand up comedy is usually just a bit of fun not a high brow art form that needs to be scrutinised. When observational comedy broke through it was seen as new and innovative, but now it seems every person with with access to the internet needs to vent their deepest disapproval of Michael McIntyre, Peter Kay and co.

One of my pretentious mates is always moaning on about it too. He compares every comedian to Stewart Lee and can't make his mind up whether Charlie Brooker is a genius or a sell-out pandering to "the masses". He needs to lighten the feck up.
 
no he hasnt

as usual society these days is being over sensitive and throwing a tantrum over nothing
 
Meh... 'tis a double-edged sword to have standards, or to be annoyed by willfull mediocrity... Seeing as some DO elevate it to an art form, however, it does leave them open to it, inevitably.

Rowem: Do you say the same to people who'd prefer it if Adam Sandler was barred from making bland shit comedies?

What about opinion pieces in the paper that clearly just pander to people's sensitivity to polemics?

It's either ignorant and stupid or cynical. I don't care for either.
 
CallyRed said:
“We condemn Frankie Boyle’s use of racist terminology.
“Regardless of context and intention, the use of words such as these has the effect of normalising racist language.
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This sort of explains why they're so wrong. I didn't see the show but from the quotes that I've seen it's quite clear Frankie is using blatant racism to highlight the racist culture that's going on, especially during war. Like he's saying "you know these words are racist, so why's this mentality racist even if you're not using bad words?".

How can people with the power to censor our media be so incredibly braindead. Jesus wept.
 
Eriku said:
Meh... 'tis a double-edged sword to have standards, or to be annoyed by willfull mediocrity... Seeing as some DO elevate it to an art form, however, it does leave them open to it, inevitably.

Rowem: Do you say the same to people who'd prefer it if Adam Sandler was barred from making bland shit comedies?

What about opinion pieces in the paper that clearly just pander to people's sensitivity to polemics?

It's either ignorant and stupid or cynical. I don't care for either.
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I haven't watched an Adam Sandler film since I was a teenager and it really doesn't affect me if he brings out 20 films a year. Newspaper are different, but still, I have the choice to not buy the Sun, Mirror, Daily Mail etc.

It's the same as the people who go out of their way to watch Frankie Boyle so they can complain at the offensive material. Why watch Michael McIntyre if you know what type of comedian he is and it isn't for you? What does his existence matter to you? If it's so easy and ignorant then anyone could do it, but they don't, do they? I can just imagine some philosophy student bragging to all his mates that it'd be easy to go on stage and make the buffoons in the audience laugh by doing a Michael McIntyre-esque routine but actually dying on his arse.

Getting worked up about something so frivolous is stupid. Priorities completely out of perspective. When someone does do something different they still find a way to moan about it. I think people are far too sceptical and damning of just about everything. Especially intelligent people. A good moan every now and then is fun, some cutting condemnation is fun, but honestly over time I think people get so used to that way of thinking that they make themselves miserable and can't let themselves enjoy some light-entertainment. You know the sort of person or at least the sort of characteristics that I'm talking about, don't you? You get it with music snobs who despise trashy fun music but are very easily influenced by recommendations they respect, elitist academics who scoff at the poor stupid folk but think it's great fun to get fecked off their face and act like imbecils, to the bitter old cnut who doesn't give any money to charity because he knows that a small % of it goes on admin/fundraising costs. Yeah, better to keep your money in your pocket, cos that man knows, pfft, feck the ignorant masses giving their money away.

The main crime that comedians like McIntyre, Boyle, Kay, Carr and co. commit is overexposure, and so it becomes predictable and monotonous.
 
The only thing offensive about Boyle these days is the quality of his material. For such a quick witted guy as seen in his Mock the Week days.. he really has lost his way and whilst before he'd abuse a member of the audience or anything for that matter with obscene yet comic guile, now it just seems he's intent or satisfied with being crude for crude's sake and the end result is rather shit.

As for McIntyre, I agree with Rowem.. he's not a comedian who will break barriers and change the face of comedy but he makes people laugh and well thats the aim of the game. As it stands I'd rather watch McIntyre recycle old gags and whatnot rather than Boyle just falling flat on his face and losing sight of what made him so good to watch in the first place.

He needs to get back to being on Panel shows.
 
Raees said:
The only thing offensive about Boyle these days is the quality of his material. For such a quick witted guy as seen in his Mock the Week days..
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I don't mind Frankie so I'm not trying to knock him. My favourite is Shaun Lock, but anyway... If you think that is quick wit you're a little niave. 90% of it is scripted, 5% is them manipulating the conversations so they can draw upon their material and about 5% is actual wit.
 
I don't see nothing wrong about that.

The word N itself means jackshit, the N themselves have been calling N words among each in almost every single sentences they can come up with.

Hey, what's up my N?"

It's the intention that counts, and if my english understanding serves me correctly, he's aiming the shot at the government
 
I don't see nothing wrong about that.

The word N itself means jackshit, the N themselves have been calling N words among each in almost every single sentences they can come up with.

Hey, what's up my N?"

It's the intention that counts, and if my english understanding serves me correctly, he's aiming the shot at the government
 
It's actually quite funny that Show Racism the Red Card is making it such a taboo to say these words.

If you take the edge off them and make them acceptable words, they then mean nothing.

Look at the word "Damn", 60 years ago it was shocking and people were offended by it. Now it is completely harmless and has lost the power it has over people.

Maybe if instead of turning them into such powerful words, they had a campaign to take all the meaning from them, they could no longer hurt anybody.
 
Pexbo said:
It's actually quite funny that Show Racism the Red Card is making it such a taboo to say these words.

If you take the edge off them and make them acceptable words, they then mean nothing.

Look at the word "Damn", 60 years ago it was shocking and people were offended by it. Now it is completely harmless and has lost the power it has over people.

Maybe if instead of turning them into such powerful words, they had a campaign to take all the meaning from them, they could no longer hurt anybody.
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They do mean something, because they were used for a significant amount of time, by a huge number of people, to denigrate, mock and generally aggressively put down an entire race, not to mention its derivations from slavery. It's taboo because it has a horrific past, conception and perceived meaning to it, for good reason. I would love that word to just be forgotten, it should serve no purpose. I certainly don't want it to become common.

I don't see "damn" as being similar in any way.
 
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