no people seem to be talking about Maguire as a sweeper simply because he can pass and dribble well, he is still a stopper of a CB ala John Terry he just happens to be able to pass and dribble and isn't a sweeper
Harry Maguire
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Didn't understand the love for him on match day 1 of the PL (getting bullied to lose the match against Arsenal) and still don't.
To me, he's another glue bag like Phil Jones. Would rather have a centre-back like Smalling every day of the week (despite his flaws).
To me, he's another glue bag like Phil Jones. Would rather have a centre-back like Smalling every day of the week (despite his flaws).
Then I myself would like to disagree. There is so much difference from a Terry and Maguire in my eyes. Of course I wouldn't dare to say I know better than Leicester fan who watch him more than I did.
Don't LC sit deep? That's like people saying Bale and Ronaldo have lost their pace now that Real Madrid are a possession side.
I'm not saying he is as good as Terry was but he is of a similar style in how he defends
no, that's a myth the media won't drop like how we only won the title by playing constant long balls to Vardy, we didn't
Which I didn't see.
well you wouldn't in that game
I was not saying just one or handful games. More like over a dozen games
Looking back on the game, I'm pretty sure Tunisia just allowed him to have the ball and come forward (in the same way we did with Sanchez vs Ajax in the EL final) so I don't really see how that makes him 'good on the ball' or any better at playing out from the back as any other defender.
I would rather see Dier as the 3rd CB and Walker shift to his usual spot at RB (where he has been excellent for City as his main strength is bombing up and down the line) which allows Dier to effectively come alongside Henderson when we have the ball, giving us more control and freeing up Lingard/Alli more. When out of possession he slots back into the three.
Defending:
Walker -- Stones -- Dier -- Maguire -- Young
------------------- Henderson -----------------
Attacking:
Walker----- Stones ------ Maguire --- Young
------------ Henderdon -----Dier ------------
I would rather see Dier as the 3rd CB and Walker shift to his usual spot at RB (where he has been excellent for City as his main strength is bombing up and down the line) which allows Dier to effectively come alongside Henderson when we have the ball, giving us more control and freeing up Lingard/Alli more. When out of possession he slots back into the three.
Defending:
Walker -- Stones -- Dier -- Maguire -- Young
------------------- Henderson -----------------
Attacking:
Walker----- Stones ------ Maguire --- Young
------------ Henderdon -----Dier ------------
Lack of pace is not the thing, lack of agility when skilled players run at him and force him to turn. It is physics, he is a big lad, even by CB standards. Might be quick in a straight line, but straight line races are a small part of a defenders game.
Good footballer, strong in the air, but would have concerns over his defensive ability against top end players. He made quite a few mistakes during the season, but because he plays for Leicester they get forgotten very quickly. Will not happen when he gets his big move.
Good footballer, strong in the air, but would have concerns over his defensive ability against top end players. He made quite a few mistakes during the season, but because he plays for Leicester they get forgotten very quickly. Will not happen when he gets his big move.
Posted About him when I was watching him at Hull that he was a quality player in the making, really glad he's proving so on the big stage. Those that are doubters should bear in mind that his learning curve has been relatively steep, I'm sure when he moves on to a champs league club and settles there he'll prove to be a top CB for many years
This. He got my attention in the few games he has dominated against United, but the more and more I watched him after that the more and more I had doubts. He’s got a great knack at picking the ball up and causing havoc in the opponents middle and last third but when challenged for his agility he more than often fails. Having said that, I think he would be an amazing addition to United. We are in desperate need of a defender than can skillfully and powerfully carry the ball out of defense to break the zombie passing cycle. Mourinho thought he had the answer with Lindelof but was mistaken.
Yeah he's better than Smalling with the ball, but he's worse at all aspects of, you know, defending. He gets caught out way too easily by through balls in behind him, he's been caught out twice by simple passes in each of England's last two games. Yeah he might directly contribute to a few more goals here and there, but he'd also be be directly at fault for conceding at least as many.
He's marginally better than Lindelof, though that isn't saying much.
He's marginally better than Lindelof, though that isn't saying much.
Good prospect. Needs games though so not good to move to a big club yet. Would be a good replacement for Cahill at Chelsea
Sorry but the post makes no sense unless you mean he should move to Chelsea later in his career. "good prospect" means shouldn't be playing starting XI for England at the world cup. "Needs games though so not good to move to a big club"...go to Chelsea. Annoying Chelsik are a big club now.
Either he's an England player and should be playing for the top 6 or move to a Leicester / Everton / Liverpool and get game time there before moving up to the big league. Looked out of his depth yesterday but could be first game nerves so happy to reserve judgement. He looked good during the season but obvious lack of European football means he lacks the "tricks" of the trade at the moment
Yes i meant later when Cahill leaves Chelsea. Now he needs to be playing games regularly
he might not of been great but he certainly didn't look out of his depth, people seem desperate to slaughter England's defenders but their recent record is very good and Maguire has played a lot of those games
I agree. For a supposed "ball player" he gave it away quite a bit, causing one of the few moments of danger against quite a poor team.
Not quite sure how he's wandered straight into the starting lineup! Shows the lack of depth in defence at the moment.
Mate, you're a Leicester fan and of course you'll jump to his defence - and I'm not writing him off by far so please don't take it like that. But his simple mistakes could have cost us 2 goals easily yesterday, due to what looked like panic / lack of awareness (yes you can mention Walker's penalty but he's the best right back in England and that was not a pen in CL or PL) I'm honestly not slaughtering the guy and think he'll be good but I also think playing for Leicester is very different from playing for United / Spurs / City in the CL. The tricks these guys do to get a penalty or the speed and thought process the top strikers have in the CL is more than what he faces most days in the PL.
Agree. He's a great prospect but playing for Leicester isn't playing for City in the CL. Let's see how he progresses hey but knighthood if he scores the winner in the final against Germany
It’s got sod all to do with him being a Leicester player, he wasn’t great last night but he wasn’t out of his depth either he just made some mistakes they are different things
Not his greatest game and closing him down Tunisia did well forcing him on his left and also playing over his left shoulder (not his natural side to defend) but would take him at United in a heartbeat. If Liverpool were to buy him they’d have some defensive two with Fabinho to also to add protection (not liking the sound of that).
Thing is though, there's lots of depth, just a lack of first team quality, they're all much of a muchness (of the ones in the squad). Smalling is easily the best English defender despite not being exactly world class and for some reason Southgate doesn't pick him. He's decided ball playing defenders that can't defend and playing our only world class player out of position are better than having actual defenders in the team. fecks sake Stones wandered into the team after being on his holidays in the 2nd half of the season because even Pep gave up on him yet gets in ahead of Tarkowski, Jones etc.
He should play in the middle of the 3 and Stones on the left.
This I agree with would be a better fit
Yep. I struggle to see that we couldn't get Smalling in there. You don't need all 3 centre back to be Beckenbauer-esque
How and why has he become so overrated, so quickly? He's a decent enough player, that's it. For me, he's around the same level as the likes of Alfie Mawson & Ben Mee, good players but that's about it really. Michael Keane got similar treatment last season and he has been pretty rubbish for Everton so far. I can't see Maguire being a mainstay in the England team for long.
Is this a performance thread or a transfer thread?
Thought he was excellent when he came on last night, probably the only England player to show something. His pass to Vardy for the Rashford chance was excellent, he stepped out well and dealt with Januzaj after he'd given Rose a torrid time.
I'd happily replace him with Jones that's for sure.
I really rate him. Would have much preffered us to have signed him rather than Lindelof last summer and that was my opinion then, as well as now.
Better than Jones, Rojo and Lindelof. Would be competing with Smalling and Bailly for a starting berth.
Better than Jones, Rojo and Lindelof. Would be competing with Smalling and Bailly for a starting berth.
I'd take him, guy can play.
He is average at defending.
(Sorry about the music in the second one).
He isnt any better than what we have. If any of our defenders were caught out like he was in the above two clips it would be meltdown for a month.
(Sorry about the music in the second one).
He isnt any better than what we have. If any of our defenders were caught out like he was in the above two clips it would be meltdown for a month.
We have defenders of different levels. I don't rate him higher than Smalling or Bailly who's our two best, but I rate him higher than Rojo and Jones.
He's better than all of them at running with the ball, passing and dribbling though. So if you value that really highly...
I still prefer my CBs a bit more conservative. He's quite agile with the ball, but he often tries very ambitious passes and runs too far up the pitch with the ball and it puts the defence at risk. It's one thing being comfortable under pressure and another thing to be taking the ball forward like a midfielder which he (and others) often does.
All defenders get caught out in embarrassing ways every season. He is slow off the mark though and those goals do show a weakness in his game.
Agreed 100%.
Personally, I'd rather we bought another ball playing defender (like Lindelof) or at least someone who is athletic and can keep up with athletic forwards (like Baily). Rio and Terry were great in this respect. It also helped that they both had a great footballing brain.
I am dead set against having a big, heavy CB (like Jones/Maquire), who will get turned inside out by smaller, athletic attackers.
The penalty which Hazard won against P.Jones in the FA Cup Final still gives me shivers.
I think that the days of non-athletes who can play football, are long gone. These days, the athletic side of the game is more important.
No thanks.
Do you just hate all English players
you have to remember they all have Bitter Celt SyndromeDo you just hate all English players