Oh I agree about Blind, but isn't Lindelof supposed to be able to do it as well? Maybe it's down to individual players' skills, but I can't help thinking it's more to do with coaching/tactics. De Gea's distribution is very poor these days, but it wasn't until Jose got hold of him.
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I'll pay the money for him. He's the best defender we can get this market, as Koulibaly is an unrealistic target.
I wanted him last summer too.
I wanted him last summer too.
He said some won't be here but it looks like he meant Pogba and Lukaku by that.
And Matic.every player bar lukaku he sign he hated
Those two basically played every match no matter what.
The story is Jose wanted to get rid of Pogba and replace him with Fred.
and Ibra, although he didn't cost a fee he sure as hell made up for it in wages
And it doesn't make sense. Fred was benched after his third game for Fellaini.
Because playing that type of football with a squad of our quality against a well disciplined, well-lead Spurs side would be suicide? You have to adapt as a manager or else you're shite.
If you were a manger and you truly believed that long balls and headers is the true way to play football, then all of a sudden you're given the Barcelona job for some reason with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi at your disposal, would you still implement your philosophy? Or would you try to adapt to the team your given and then over the course of a few years try to build a team in your vision?
Ok but you have zero proof that deep down he's a manager obsessed with high risk playing. It's just wishful thinking from you that he played defensively last season because of the quality and his real style is different, but not based on any solid evidence. Just wishful thinking.
Maybe he's watched Molde play unlike others who have been making claims which aren't based on solid evidence.
Why are people complaining about us being “obsessed” with him and not looking at anyone else? There were reliable reports that we have already bid for De Ligt and Diop before going for Maguire. He is our third choice at best. Personally I hope we get Diop because he is a similar level to Maguire right now and at least has some potential to get much better. Maguire is at his peak and is more of a Phil Jagielka level player than a Rio or Terry if we compare him to previous England centre backs.
I never claimed it to be factual, and I'm okay with you having a different opinion than me. I have no proof, I never claimed to have proof. I just have a hunch he wants to desperately replicate what Sir Alex did, and all this talk about " it's about us" leads me to believe he wants to focus on us, make us dominant. If he has the ability to do that is another story.
How Maguire compares with Van Dijk, Pique, Koulibaly and Chiellini this season.
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That’s not true, Maguire was well on the radar before Diop. The fact that De Ligt was a non starter was pretty clear early on too.
How Maguire compares with Van Dijk, Pique, Koulibaly and Chiellini this season.
These stats are mouth watering, albeit just stats.
I admit I haven't watched enough Maguire matches to assess his skill reliably, but I'm getting increasingly excited with the prospect of signing him.
So many posters here judge him based on his looks. Look at the Liverpool squad, full of big ugly people and gap-toothed English cart horses, and yet they won the UCL.
Before United played anyone seriously good...? I really want Solskjaer to succeed, but was very concerned that United started playing worse the longer he was there. They reverted to type.
Stats that stand out are the stats that we really could do with in our back line.
Aerial dominance and ability on the ball.
Didn't we beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham, all away, in that run?
EDIT: just checked, we did.
Ah, that is very impressive, it's true, I'd forgotten. It all fell away after the PSG double, didn't it.
Yeah after our comeback at their place it all went to pieces.
These big pursuits of players always seem interesting.
You hear nothing, then it all goes mad with a bid and loads of coverage. Then it can fade right down again.
Would love to know how it really works.
What have we done in the 2 weeks or so since making the bid, and then having it rejected? Have we been thinking, right let's chill for a bit, or are we in constant dialogue with Leicester, the agent etc
You hear nothing, then it all goes mad with a bid and loads of coverage. Then it can fade right down again.
Would love to know how it really works.
What have we done in the 2 weeks or so since making the bid, and then having it rejected? Have we been thinking, right let's chill for a bit, or are we in constant dialogue with Leicester, the agent etc
How Maguire compares with Van Dijk, Pique, Koulibaly and Chiellini this season.
This stats make it like Maguire had better season than VvD. Which is wrong in so many level.
VVD was good at Southampton, but became a monster at Liverpool. Let's hope slab head does similar for us.
Leicester probably waiting for him to come back from holiday, due sometime this week I heard, to discuss it face to face with him.
He was highly rated at Southampton. His development came as no surprise imo. People just thought he didn't deserve what was paid for him.
"So, they've bid 70m, do you fancy going there and that"
"Yeah, ok"
Surely it's all through his agent rather than him?
It's a real shocker we were not looking at these players when they were at Hull plying there trade Robertson has looked outstanding at all levels since Scotland
I agree, but he still was prone to errors or got caught out of position often. At Liverpool he went from very good to great.
You're more likely to get caught out of position when those around you are a lot worse so you try to cover for them or have a worse manager who can't set them up as well.
The only quality I can see he doesn't have is speed so we'd need to pair him up with someone quick. Smalling and Bailly are rapid but both have their deficiencies. I think, given how defensive Shaw and AWB are, Lindelof will do. The only worry is if we play to play a high line we absolutely need width- which usually fullbacks or wingers provide. Given that none of our wingers like staying wide and our fullbacks are better defensively than offensively this could be an issue.
There's also the difference between playing for a top team and a bottom half team as a defender. When you defend further away from your goal, you have a better chance of compensating for poor positioning with strength and speed.
Come on Ed get this one done please
Can't understand how we weren't in for him when Jaap Stam was raving about him at Celtic
Same thing happened to Mkhitaryan and Sanxhez
This exactly. Especially the leadership part. Ignoring the fact that he would be the best defender in our team, it doesn't matter how good you are if you don't have leaders and we don't have any at United at the moment.
Most of our defenders are fairly capable when paired with someone who takes control. Smalling especially has great potential when playing with an organiser. It would allow us to bring through Tuanzebe too with a more experiences settled partner.
Its not our money. if he can help us be competitive it is a false economy to focus on his fee. Because it will gain us CL revenue etc. If only we had paid up last season we would have got top 4 and been able to make other aquisitions and got CL revenue and sponsorship.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point. Its infuriating how and why people care so much about the fees given that it's the club spending it's own cash rather than letting the glazer family fleece us further.
He is already back from Holiday and on the training camp in France
Heard a really good discussion on this topic and how Maguire would actually make Lindelof better. Currently he is paired with Smalling and opposition teams know that Chris is no threat and so they are not afraid to go press Lindelof when out of possession knowing that Smalling can't hurt them with the ball. If we sign Maguire or another defender comfortable on the ball teams will have to pick their poison because if you press one you create space for the other and both can hurt you.
We have signed James and are looking at Longstaff. Both those players fall into the category you described
I thought Maguire had good games against United in 16/17 at Hull. Bit odd why Mourinho wanted him (reportedly) last year, and not two years ago when they could have gotten him from Hull. Guess it had to do with how Bailly played his first season and he must have rated Lindelof more. Or maybe United were in for him but first team football would have been limited so he chose Leicester.
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