reddevilz007
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Still gotta get rid of Darmian, Rojo and Bailly.
And still Woodward will receive 2 tons of crap tomorrow...AWB, James and Maguire for a total for £145 m isn't that horrible in the current climate.
If Napoli dont want to sell Koulibaly for under 120m or whatever it is and De Ligt doesnt want to play for us, thats what you got to do. Dont buy Maguire, club is a shambles for not improving CBs. Buy him, club is a shambles. Buy Diop for 60m, he is the French Smalling. Buy Milenkovic for 50m, we need experience etc etc.
Our CB situation is a mess, glad something gets done here.
I'm not a big fan of Woodward, but we can't blame him for trying better options first (De Ligt, Koulibaly...) before going for the second choice (Maguire).It's the player he denied the manager last summer and wasted one full season in search for a better option and failed.
@utdreport: The latest #mufc offer made for Harry Maguire (£60m + £20m), has been agreed with Leicester #mulive [@transferpodcast, @garbosj, @DuncanCastles]
can he even join the tour? he's not gonna get a visa over night
Can just picture Mourinho walking 'round doing that hand to ear gesture... haha
Why the feck didn't we just sign him last Summer...?
But very glad he's coming (hopefully), I think he'll be a great signing.
Im ok with 60 plus add ons. If we have to pay the add ons, he's been a success. It is a touch expensive but we were always going to get fleeced.
He's in the top 10 possibly top 5 cbs in the league so is a big improvement, but i wouldn't be expecting vvd impact because he's not at that level
Liverpool overpaid for a completely average player. We're overpaying for a good player.Jesus Christ. This is our equivalent of Liverpool paying £35m for Andy Carroll.
Decent player, but come on...
Maybe Solskjaer views Smalling ahead of LindelofI've always thought of Maguire as quite slow on the turn (he does have decent top speed) and that's an issue with Lindelof as well so does this actually resolve anything or does it still mean that Smalling is going to end up playing? Not sure how Solskjaer can implement the pressing game he wants if he's got a centre back pairing susceptible to pace.
Spend it on.. what? And who? This notion of spending money to spend needs to stop.
First off: £250 million is not "easy spending" It's almost the entirety of the clubs available money in the bank. I've written several long-ass posts about the clubs finances, and why we don't spend out of our ass just because so I won't repeat myself again (check my post history for anyone who's curious).
If this Maguire deal is agreed, then the club has spent £120 million + £25 million in add-ons in this transfer window. So far. Ole has stated that we are looking for "a couple players". Ie. there will be more signing. Bruno Fernandes seems very likely if the noise is any indication, but I honestly don't know. I hope we buy Bruno Fernandes.
The extremely boiled down version of why we are not "easily spending 250 million or more":
1) We do not have Champions League this season. The income loss from this contest is enormous. For once the club is buying pieces that will both get us there next season, and can challenge for the title again in 2-3 seasons. If anyone thinks we're actually doing that this year you need a brutal reality check. Yes I want the club to win every single game, but we have issues that will take time to correct, over several windows.
2) Man United is not financial doped by sheikh money: That means that all the money we spend comes from the clubs own pocket. Not bank loans like Barcelona and Real Madrid, or investment groups taking enormous losses like PSG and Man City. We purchase from our financial strength, and while that strength is better than anyone in football currently, it also means fiscal responsibility.
3) "Hurr durr you need to spend or we're going to lose income and become a mid-table team". Are we though? We've gone the big spending route. It got us: Nothing that we want. The club finally after 6 years since SAF retired have a clear outspoken transfer plan. Young talent, building blocks for a future Man United dynasty. That means we're not going to buy mega-expensive primadonnas or players that want to move on in 3 years (Hi Paul). We're buying players that want a career here. Elite players that want a career here.
4) With the addition of Maguire and Wan-Bissaka we've adressed a HUGE issue since last season, our awful, awful defense. 54 allowed goals in 38 games is 1.4 goals pr game. That's brutally bad for a top4 challenger. Only 2 teams in the top9 allowed more than 50 goals, Man United and Arsenal. Arsenal with 51, us with 54. Ashley Young is a bad bad right back. He's been replaced with the best defensive rightback in the league. We're adding Maguire, an excellent centreback that can play the ball from the back, exactly what Ole wants.
5) Pogba is still here and honestly I think he will stick around with the team, especially given his price tag, and the fact that we're investing in the squad. Lukaku will be replaced. By who I don't know, but the clubs will agree on a transfer and he will be replaced.
6) We have some incredible talent coming up, especially Mason Greenwood who already looks like he is PL ready Angel Gomes *might* make it, I'm undecided on him but my gut says he'll go out on a loan. The point is that we have talent that is ready now. The club is absolutey adding a midfielder once the Maguire saga is over. The squad will be so much stronger this season than last.
If Maguire was to come.
Starters - Lindelof Maguire
Backup - Smalling Tuanzebe
Sell - All of Rojo, Jones or Bailly
I'd call it a day on Jones and Smalling
Start the season with Lindelof, Maguire, Rojo, Tuanzebe and Bailly. Jones and Smalling have had some decent seasons between them but never reached the top level required. Give someone else a chance and let Lindelof and Maguire be our new leaders at the back and also in the changing rooms.
Liverpool overpaid for a completely average player. We're overpaying for a good player.
I just like his aggression and he's left footed so good for balance. I appreciate many don't like him but I think he would be a useful player with a run of games.
I would like to get rid of Rojo and Jones due to abysmal injury records of both players.Wouldn’t have been my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th choice but if it’s true then hope he does well.
Imagine the back 4 will be something like this.
DDGSmalling and Lindelof to fight it out for the right sided slot and Bailly and Jones probably as back up. Rojo gone, Tuan on loan.
Wan Lindelof Maguire Shaw
For about the 10th time in this thread, Manchester United would obviously like to sign a better defender for 80 million, De Ligt for example, however we are just not currently attractive to the TOP tier players. I really don't know how many times this needs to be repeated. There is a difference between real world signings and Football Manager signings! Maguire is the best realistic defender we can currently sign, if you know of someone better who is available and willing to join United I am all ears.If I'm paying a world record fee for a defender, I want him to be one of the best ever defenders, obviously. He isn't.
The club has gone somewhat insane in its transfer business since Fergie left.
Only takes 48 hours for a visa to be granted. Done it myself.can he even join the tour? he's not gonna get a visa over night
Hard for him to get a run of games when his injury record is so bad.I just like his aggression and he's left footed so good for balance. I appreciate many don't like him but I think he would be a useful player with a run of games.
I'll disagree with the last sentence. He's not worth replacing them at any cost.For about the 10th time in this thread, Manchester United would obviously like to sign a better defender for 80 million, De Ligt for example, however we are just not currently attractive to the TOP tier players. I really don't know how many times this needs to be repeated. There is a difference between real world signings and Football Manager signings! Maguire is the best realistic defender we can currently sign, if you know of someone better who is available and willing to join United I am all ears.
Maguire displaces Jones or Smalling from our lineup that is worth 80 million alone.
It's the player he denied the manager last summer and wasted one full season in search for a better option and failed.