We're desperate and they know it, City can go into negotiations in a stronger position than us and Mahrez probably pushed hard for the move.
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Maguire market price should be around 50m-60m, that's the price most top clubs would be willing to paid (ie City), anything above that is being priced out of the market. The only club in this world who is will to pay 70m is us, because we are desperate and Leicester is not willing to sell. However, If Maguire asking to leave, Leicester should accept 70m, as its already a very good profit and considerably higher than market value (20% higher than market value). Asking for more is pure greed and disrespect to players wish. (if insisting on 85m, its 60% higher than market value, its pure greed)
For Pogba case, a worldclass midfielder who is at the right age, who is also the most talented and key member of WC winner, should have worth at least 150m in this market. Anything below that, is out of the question (unless he is in last year of contract etc). If we are not willing to sell and want to price him out of the market, we could have ask for 200m. (200m is what Spur would ask for Harry Kane). However, same scenario as above, if Pogba asking to leave, we should also consider selling him for around 170-180m (at 15-20% higher than market value), which is reasonable.
For Pogba case, a worldclass midfielder who is at the right age, who is also the most talented and key member of WC winner, should have worth at least 150m in this market. Anything below that, is out of the question (unless he is in last year of contract etc). If we are not willing to sell and want to price him out of the market, we could have ask for 200m. (200m is what Spur would ask for Harry Kane). However, same scenario as above, if Pogba asking to leave, we should also consider selling him for around 170-180m (at 15-20% higher than market value), which is reasonable.
Surely the players need to have more loyalty. If they sign a 4 year deal, they are entitled to honour it. It’s no different to Pogba with you guys I suppose. It’s great to see them both training with their respective clubs, despite rumours of them wanting out.
No one wants to see a player doing a Van Hooidonk / Diego Costa / Carlos Tevez.
Market value is irrelevant and to a degree, you’re not buying an asset that you can anticipate how it will perform.
Ultimately, a players value, is what any other club want to pay for him. If Leicester don’t want to lose Harry, then they simply won’t sell. We’re owned by Billionaires, so we’re not a small club in financial terms.
Financial matters aside, I actually don’t believe that the on pitch first 11s are that significantly different. You have a better squad, however you need to trim some of the dead wood.
As a player, I’d be concerned about playing for OGS, as he’s relatively inexperienced. I do wonder if that’ll have an impact upon you.
Maguire is not slow,he is a big guy who because of his proportions looks slow,his accelaration is bad,again because of his proportions but because of same he has great balance,heading ability,strenght and is great on the ball,everything with miss.
Lindelof is not slow,average fast just like Laporte for example.Was Terry Carvalho combo fast,Bonucci Chiellini or Otamendi Laporte,Stones Laporte.
Also Smalling has pace,he is fast but accelaration is bad,turns like a train but problem with him is he is awful on the ball and needs to be replaced.Lindelof Maguire combo can work.
The Mahrez sale was used to finance the new training ground that we’re currently building. It was structured in a way to balance FFP.
I guess that deal was a necessary evil at the time and Mahrez has become a major thorn in the side of the club.
We’re now at a point, where we don’t need to have that major investment I guess, so can sit around and wait a little longer for what we believe is a value acceptable to us.
Yep. Hope you teach them a lesson and quote very very high
Probably not but they should pay around 40 mill
Are you here when the Neymar inflation happened and do you realise the aftermath of the transfer market? Apparently Pogba 89m transfer is happened before the Neymar inflation (Neymar was unsettled at Barca back then too), should it happen afterward, would have at least cost 150m or more, which is exactly what we are pricing him at now.
Yeah. We signed Pogba one year before Neymar transfer. Otherwise his price would be way more than 100 million.
In the market where Maguire will cost at least 80 million, Felix 126 million, 150 + million is least we should expect for Pogba.
Maguire is slightly better than Zouma on the ball and thats about it.
Folllowing the same logic, if some club in China willing to pay 100m for Jones, doesn't mean Jones market value worth 100m, but you may argue otherwise.
As for play for OGS, only the players know. Guardiola, Zidane are also relatively inexperienced when they won everything.
Now that is inside info we wanna hear. Thank you bro.Hi, lifelong Leicester fan here just going to post my views on the Maguire debate/saga/salty exchanges.
Firstly, as a player, like many he has pros and cons, immense in the air, fantastic bringing the ball out and very comfortable on it, can ping an accurate long range pass too. Can be caught out of position, not quick or quick to turn but good enough to be 1st choice CB for England now.
I personally want to keep him so we can have a real pop at breaking the established top 6 order again.
Unfortunately though, as ALL clubs know, silly money talks and some of the numbers being muted means every player has their price.
As a person Harry seems very level headed as well as large headedand is very respectful of the opportunity we as a club have given him. I can no way see him agitating for a move or throwing his toys out like Mahrez, he's a real pro. If he does want to join you guys our owners will not stand in his way AS LONG as you meet their valuation. Regarding the valuation, let's face it, transfer fees are obscene and worsening but in a supply and demand situation we hold all the aces despite the size of your club. Young England CB with 4 years left on a 5 year contract and tough, highly successful business men who will not be bullied that's for sure.
Regarding yourselves and some of the exchanges on here with fellow Foxes, if you read Leicester forums you will seldom find anyone who would doubt the enormity of yourselves, history and past trophies, however, the point being made by some is that currently you are in transition and despite your size with no CL, sadly for you, you are not even the most appealing club in Manchester presently. I personally do not feel OGS is the man to oversee this transition but I thought Ranieri was a meh appointment for us.
Back on to Maguire, it seems to have gone very quiet and thankfully not so much bs clickbait, we're hearing conflicting reports, some saying he will join you, others saying he only wants to join your neighbours. One thing I am confident of is if he does join you or another club it will be £80million plus and on our owners terms.
In conclusion, this and other transfers of this value are not about lack of respect, club size/wealth it's about chance of success and winning the PL and playing in the CL.
It will be interesting how this unfolds, all the best.
So basically Leicester should do the morally right thank and sell him to us... what a load of BS. Maguire signed a new contract last year, is well paid and an England international. If he desperately wants to leave, he can always submit a transfer request. They are under no obligation to accept the fee we want to pay.
What a futile and pointless excercise. You can’t determine a “market price”, and start going on and making a load load of assumptions afterwards. You are in no position to determine what the market price of Maguire is - it’s not as if your buying a load of bread.
Go and read a basic economics book and try and understand the concept of supply and demand, then you will understand what a market it. Maguire is a scarce resource, and one Leicester don’t want to sell. It’s not greed at all, they don’t want to sell him, but if Utd offer a price that they consider it worthwhile - hey presto. Ultimately the “market value” of the player will be the transfer fee paid, your analysis of paying 60% over market value is a comical read. Maybe we need an arbiter like you who can just come and and determine what price the bigger clubs should pay for players....
Now who is being utterly ridiculous? Why would a Chinese club pay £100m for Jones? An absurd analogy, not withstanding the tax Chinese clubs have to pay on transfer fees.
At least come up with something realistic to try and argue your point.
Duncan Castles reporting via a podcast that United have offered £60m upfront with £20m in add ons for Harry Maguire, Leicester want £80m up front.Not sure how reliable but what I read this morning.
85m for Maguire is realistic?
Wow what a pointless contribution. Well done.
If there were more CBs around with Maguire’s profile, then clearly the price Leicester could demand would be less.
Leicester can feck right off, these cnuts sold one of the best midfielders in the league for a paltry sum of £32 million. A year later they then sold their best player in Mahrez for £60 million. Now, when United turn up to buy they demand £90m?
Hope we steer clear, even though he's a decent defender and would improve us he's not worth that sort of sum.
A) Because United are buying, it automatically inflates the price.
B) They know we are in a desperate need of a new CB.
With Mahrez and City, they had loads of quality in wide areas. He was added to provide them with more depth so Leicester couldn't quote ludicrous sum for him as they wouldn't pay it.
Hope we steer clear, even though he's a decent defender and would improve us he's not worth that sort of sum.
A) Because United are buying, it automatically inflates the price.
B) They know we are in a desperate need of a new CB.
With Mahrez and City, they had loads of quality in wide areas. He was added to provide them with more depth so Leicester couldn't quote ludicrous sum for him as they wouldn't pay it.
Maguire will be here next week . We are really close now, talks still ongoing.
The absolute idiots on here
Kante had a release clause, surely you know that?
The prices being quoted for players reflect the financial power of clubs and their lack of need to sell. If you look at the transfers themselves, very few are actually going through at the numbers quoted. This is because players are being priced out of moves by clubs. That doesn't necessarily mean a player is unhappy at their current club, or that they especially want to move. I imagine Maguire is very content and Leicester and would also be excited by moving to Man Utd, he will probably be happy either way. Leicester have no need to sell, whether a player is *worth* an amount of money or not doesn't come into the equation, it's what another club is or isn't willing to pay.
How much do you think we will eventually pay for him mate?
I think max will be £80mil add ons included
The part in bold is what I've been thinking for a while. As there is so much money in the game that even the so-called lesser teams don't have to sell due to their financial situation. They can ask what they want and quote a stupid price to a club who potentially want to buy their player to try to price them out of a move as they just don't want to sell them mate.
Although that is a high fee I can see us paying about that amount but I think it may still drag on for a while. Not that I think it's worth but it's a crazy market at the moment. I wouldn't like to see us pay anymore than more than that but the longer we leave it the more desperate Leicester know we will become and may try to squeeze a few extra million out of knowing that if we don't buy him then, that it will leave us with very little time to get a replacement.
75m should be out absolute tops
Regarding quibbling about his value-it’s all academic because we’re not seemingly bothered about going back with an improved offer
I really don’t understand this slow nonsense. There have been many successful “slow” partnerships over the years. Maguire and Lindelof will be a great partnership IMO.
Also bare in mind that both of our covering fullbacks (Shaw and Wan Bissaka) are two of the fastest full backs in the league.
De Gea
Wan Bissaka
Lindelof
Maguire
Shaw
Is a properly good defence IMO.
Also bare in mind that both of our covering fullbacks (Shaw and Wan Bissaka) are two of the fastest full backs in the league.
De Gea
Wan Bissaka
Lindelof
Maguire
Shaw
Is a properly good defence IMO.
Another stupid overpriced transfer we’ll come to regret if we do end up paying £70m+ for Harry f’n Maguire.
Daley Blind is a better player, and what did we sell him for?
Daley Blind is a better player, and what did we sell him for?
Aerially too. Everything else is much of a muchness; which is the exact same when you compare him to what we have.
All those saying Maguire for 80 odd million isn't a rip off, you are as mad as the people running our club who are paying that for this guy.
Solid defender, good in the air, would improve us no doubt, but paying more than VVD? And we ask ourselves why people laugh at our club!
Absolute joke.
Solid defender, good in the air, would improve us no doubt, but paying more than VVD? And we ask ourselves why people laugh at our club!
Absolute joke.
He's better than Kurt fecking Zouma.
I posted this earlier in the thread. I'll do it again...
Maguire is right up there with the best distributers in the whole of Europe. His ratio of accurate:inaccurate long balls is ridiculously good.
He's also got the best ratio of successful:unsuccessful aerial battles amongst the top 10 headers in the Premier League.
Basically, if somebody asked you to find a CB who excelled at passing out of the back and dominating aerial balls, Maguire is pretty much the best around. The reason he's going for £70m is because nobody else in Europe is as good as him at the things United require.
I posted this earlier in the thread. I'll do it again...
Maguire is right up there with the best distributers in the whole of Europe. His ratio of accurate:inaccurate long balls is ridiculously good.
He's also got the best ratio of successful:unsuccessful aerial battles amongst the top 10 headers in the Premier League.
Basically, if somebody asked you to find a CB who excelled at passing out of the back and dominating aerial balls, Maguire is pretty much the best around. The reason he's going for £70m is because nobody else in Europe is as good as him at the things United require.
Its merely a response to a pointless post
Look you don't have to come up with long post repeating those text books terms everyone knows when it comes to player's value. Either you think the players worth it or not at that price in the current market, simple as that. Do you honestly think Maguire worth 85m? Don't tell me its buyers market, no one is offering Leicester 85m for Maguire, so the buyers market for that price doesn't exist. Its all just speculation, hence we are all here discussing the fee/value.
Zouma is a good player, but i think Lampard would want to try him out. If we knock on the door, Chelsea would fleece us as well, knowing how desperate we are for a CB and they have a ban. I also think Maguire is the better CB currently, Zouma only has more pace over him.
Hindsight is such a magical thing, so it was a certainty that VVD would turn into the player he is today right?
So using your logic no clubs should spend more than £45m on attacking midfielders simply because thats what Liverpool paid for Salah
@RedRonaldo if you do read that economics books, the correct chapters are about comparative utilities and substitute goods. And in theory you are not wrong.
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