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I'm not just refering to England.
Southgate is feeding the narrative continuously by specifically selecting Maguire, Philips and Henderson.
What can that possibly prove other than he is just doing it because he’s pig headed. What do we learn from playing any of these?
Play players on form who warrant it rather than an old boys club mentality.
If they’ve never let you down that’s fair enough but the sensible thing would be to suggest while they are struggling at club level it’s only fair to play those that are playing the absolute opposite and deserve a chance.
I feel for Maguire as he cannot do anything right at the moment and is a hiding to nothing.
Southgate could have really helped him by saying that if he isn’t playing at club level then he can’t be selected - that would have changed the mindset and maybe a transfer would have occurred. Instead he’s told him that no matter what your my guy.
What can that possibly prove other than he is just doing it because he’s pig headed. What do we learn from playing any of these?
Play players on form who warrant it rather than an old boys club mentality.
If they’ve never let you down that’s fair enough but the sensible thing would be to suggest while they are struggling at club level it’s only fair to play those that are playing the absolute opposite and deserve a chance.
I feel for Maguire as he cannot do anything right at the moment and is a hiding to nothing.
Southgate could have really helped him by saying that if he isn’t playing at club level then he can’t be selected - that would have changed the mindset and maybe a transfer would have occurred. Instead he’s told him that no matter what your my guy.
It's only the worse a player has ever received because it's never been allowed to get this bad before. Any other International manager wouldn't play him until the heat had died down and his form had picked up and any other player would have moved clubs to rebuild their career.
If he moved to West Ham the abuse and pressure would have halved over night as one of the main reasons for it being so relentless is because he plays for us. They love to laugh at our club and our players when doing badly because we're a massive club and 2) All of his woeful form is synonymous with our club so a lot of his stigma could be removed by just changing clubs.
If he made that move I wouldn't have been surprised if he played well in those two deep defensive games against Brighton and Chelsea and you then had people already calling him a decent player again and it was just Utd turning all players to sh*t like usual.
If he moved to West Ham the abuse and pressure would have halved over night as one of the main reasons for it being so relentless is because he plays for us. They love to laugh at our club and our players when doing badly because we're a massive club and 2) All of his woeful form is synonymous with our club so a lot of his stigma could be removed by just changing clubs.
If he made that move I wouldn't have been surprised if he played well in those two deep defensive games against Brighton and Chelsea and you then had people already calling him a decent player again and it was just Utd turning all players to sh*t like usual.
Yep its wierd that Southgate insists on playing him. If he doesnt get regular game time no way can he play in a major tournament. Nor as he showed on Saturday is he good enough. One journo wrote a good article on how deep he drops given how slow and immobile he is, and the negative impact this has on the team and ability to progress.
Are the English pundits treating him badly now? Most of them didnt say a word about him playing badly at first while they loved to pile on Martinez and other non English players for example.
Football fans have been mocking him online and foreign pundits and commentators were criticizing him but i thought be was fairly safe in the English media... atleast he used to be?
It's nothing to do with the media. Pundits have been very soft with Maguire's performances.
It's the fans. They have eyes, they can see he's a walking disaster and opposition fans will ridicule him each game from now like last night's and why wouldn't they? Scotland fans had every right as will United's opponents. It's up to managers to realise it's in his best interests to not play him.
With Ten Hag, even though I don't think he should be playing him at all, it's understandable because of all our injuries. With Southgate he has no excuse, he has so many options.
It's the fans. They have eyes, they can see he's a walking disaster and opposition fans will ridicule him each game from now like last night's and why wouldn't they? Scotland fans had every right as will United's opponents. It's up to managers to realise it's in his best interests to not play him.
With Ten Hag, even though I don't think he should be playing him at all, it's understandable because of all our injuries. With Southgate he has no excuse, he has so many options.
Can you imagine, we get far in to the knock out stages, he comes on and puts in another own goal or awful pass that leads to a goal...
It’s been ongoing for about 2.5 years too. We can all clearly see Maguire isn’t good enough and a move would have been the best solution, but the barrage of criticisms and meme-ing is insane.
I’ve said it before - but you randomly had Ghanaian Parliament making jokes about him - like what the feck? I’ve never seen this level of clownery about a player in like, forever.
Pretty much this. This has gotten to this point because of the decision making of Maguire and Southgate. Having a pop at the English media is daft. Especially considering it took them a long time before they even started justifiably criticising him. It’s also funny how he makes the point about Maguire being a crucial part of an England squad that has done well over the few years. Yet he dropped Sterling after a spell of poor club form despite him being Englands best player at the Euros.
Must be some sort of centre backs support group thing…
I'm honestly past caring.
I did worry about his mental health but honestly I don't think he gives a flying f*ck. He knows he is unwanted at Man Utd but didn't leave. No other club cares about their fifth/sixth choice centre-back so why should we.
I did worry about his mental health but honestly I don't think he gives a flying f*ck. He knows he is unwanted at Man Utd but didn't leave. No other club cares about their fifth/sixth choice centre-back so why should we.
He must be very thick skinned, no one deserves widespread abuse like this
I have never seen a player bullied like this before
This is inevitable
Yes he’s very sad to see. I mean you go to any youtube football video and the chances of one of the top 3 comments being a reference to Maguire are reasonably high. It’s a really weird phenomenon and I haven’t seen anything quite like it.
Southgate probably didn’t word it very well. I agree it’s more the younger SM crowd than English pundits.
Insofar as the media are culpable, a lot of it stems from builiding him up to begin with in a way that was never really justified. Of course our valuation of him didn't help either, nor did the way we immediately positioned him as captain and leader. He was set up to fail to a large extent as he was never going to be able to live up to the status awarded to him.
But him becoming a walking punchline is far more a social media based thing than a media based one. And at its core stems from his own terrible performances, which have been below even what we should expect from him even discounting the factors that saw him be overrated. The media are now just commenting on something obvious to everyone.
Ultimately though it's hard to have that much sympathy for his plight when he reportedly turned down an escape from the club for the sake of money and has been rewarded by continuing to be selected for the national team over players in better form.
But him becoming a walking punchline is far more a social media based thing than a media based one. And at its core stems from his own terrible performances, which have been below even what we should expect from him even discounting the factors that saw him be overrated. The media are now just commenting on something obvious to everyone.
Ultimately though it's hard to have that much sympathy for his plight when he reportedly turned down an escape from the club for the sake of money and has been rewarded by continuing to be selected for the national team over players in better form.
This is top level football, there will always be criticism and Maguire isn't being protected by himself or Southgate. Ten Hag has done exactly the right thing, drop him for better performing players.
The only reason people are talking about Maguire is because he's being played and exposed time and time again, it's not a one off. The best thing for his career is to move to a different team with less demands and maybe take a short break from England. There's a player there in the right system, but absolutely not ETH'S system.
Southgate is in the wrong here, 100%.
The only reason people are talking about Maguire is because he's being played and exposed time and time again, it's not a one off. The best thing for his career is to move to a different team with less demands and maybe take a short break from England. There's a player there in the right system, but absolutely not ETH'S system.
Southgate is in the wrong here, 100%.
That's my conclusion too. 99% of his life is inside a bubble. If he was bothered by what football fans think of him then he'd have jumped at the chance of joining West Ham. A great opportunity, and his only one on the table, to get out of the intense spotlight and get to play many more games so to gain form and prove people wrong.
As is your obsession with Maguire. It’s actually cringe.
To be fair Maguire does score quite abit of goals, too bad it is in the wrong end.
Pay up the remainder of his contract and feck him off. Would be money well spent as far as I’m concerned.
Smart when Varane and Shaw is out with injuries and Martinez and Lindeløf are 90%.
I understand that you are not a fan of Maguire but do not let that cloud your judgement.
Rather be lucky than good.
Unfortunately, he's the unluckiest player we have (last night, Sevilla goal at Old Trafford that came off his universe sized swede etc etc) and on top of that, he's shit anyway.
Enjoy the bench.
Unfortunately, he's the unluckiest player we have (last night, Sevilla goal at Old Trafford that came off his universe sized swede etc etc) and on top of that, he's shit anyway.
Enjoy the bench.
I think part of the backlash he gets is due to him rarely getting criticised by pundits/media. A lot of fans were frustrated by how they’d go easy on him compared to other players
If our fragile starting CBs continue getting injured all the time there will be plenty of game time Maguire.
Tbh I couldn’t care less. I’d rather see McTominay at the back than Maguire, that’s how bad it is. Maguire literally costs his team every time he’s on the pitch.
He hasn't stolen anything. He's just not very good.
I wonder if Maguire is in therapy for this because I know I would need it. It must be brutal having your name trigger mockery whenever it's mentioned. I feel really bad for guy and hope he recovers from the constant mistakes.
The agenda set out by mainstream media and social media is disgusting.
And our own fans are just as bad.
I have to assume all the people in this thread giving the man abuse are children or young teens? If not, and you're a grown person, take a good look at yourself. You're being ridiculously immature. Grown functioning adults do not act this way; unless you're lacking self-esteem and you're incredibly deficient yourself, and this kind of pathetic behaviour is your own form of retribution on the world.
And our own fans are just as bad.
I have to assume all the people in this thread giving the man abuse are children or young teens? If not, and you're a grown person, take a good look at yourself. You're being ridiculously immature. Grown functioning adults do not act this way; unless you're lacking self-esteem and you're incredibly deficient yourself, and this kind of pathetic behaviour is your own form of retribution on the world.
He's done himself no favours. Cupping his ears after scoring against the might Albania, or posting clips of himself spraying a few passes about. The guy is a fecking div with a lack of self-awareness that's actually impressive.
Now that I've seen the goal, I don't know why people were saying it was unlucky. It really was a lazy leg that he stuck out. Either go full out to try and block it, or let it go. That was poor...
I don't have a Maguire obsession. The people who constantly scapegoat him do. I call it as it actually is and can think for myself rather than just repeat what others say
There’s a difference between thinking for yourself and thinking you’re right. You’ve demonstrated the latter quite well.
Ah ok, so that gives the pretty much the entire footballing contingent carte blanche to unload all fury on to him.
Got it.
My point about grown adults abusing him being childish and pathetic still stands. Irrespective of their judgment of Maguire, or anything Maguire has done.
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Corridor of uncertainty, pretty much the stereotypical center back own goal. Robertson made a much bigger error that led to a goal and no one cares.
Dramatic much. It's hardly Figo/Valbuena levels of vitriol.The man never misses an opportunity to make a fool of himself and usually media and fans take praise or criticism to exaggerated levels. That's how things work.
Pity because he could of been at least a decent back-up CB for us.
Is it not? That was restricted to one country/team. This is an entire footballing world ridiculing him.
If you think the treatment of Maguire is acceptable, well, I genuinely pity you.
Quite sad to see what was once a decent CB devolve into a dumpster fire of a footballer. But he’s not the only such player at the club who has gone from expensive uselessness to outright liability.
To this extent? The ridiculing of Maguire is at, from what I've seen, unprecedented levels. I mean there has been general hatred towards players (see Beckham etc), but this is different. Beckham et al wasn't/weren't liked for something they did -
Maguire is made of a fool of no matter what he does, and there is no road to redemption in sight.
Look, I don't think he's a good enough footballer. Or even close good enough for Manchester United. I get that. But the way it has played out is just outright nasty and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. If some of you guys think it's acceptable to treat a person that way. Life must be awful.
The guy would score a goal that loses England a WC final at home and still some would justify this guy playing.
Waste of space.
Waste of space.
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