ThatsGreat
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Why do you need instant gratification?Yeah and write off the chance of competing for the league and the CL next season? Makes sense...
Why do you need instant gratification?Yeah and write off the chance of competing for the league and the CL next season? Makes sense...
Did you think the same when we signed Robin?Kane's 29. The kind of short sighted move that will again stunt our long term growth.
I don't always agree with you but I do on thisAnd there are the real links now... it's a no brainer from all parties to be honest. I feel like it's inevitable to happen. The ultimate SAF type move to get us up into that elite tier. So hard to get an truly world class attacker (as we've seen...), getting one like Kane, where he fits so perfectly is just something we simply have to do. That's how we bridge the gap to City and Arsenal and the elite CL sides and make the most of Casemiro and Varane as well.
The way he plays too, his technique with his control, passing, shooting and his movement off the ball, not relying on his pace but more his intelligence for me have the hall marks of a player that can play to a very high level without dropping much until his mid 30's. He's not someone who will be used to be the threat in behind, he'll be holding up the ball, linking up, playing the ball to Rashford making those runs (or one of our other pacey wide players), while he still moves into the right positions to get the easy goals too. Getting that all round striker who will score loads but also provide loads to our overall play is what we need (what everyone needs really, but so hard to find). Prefer that to Osimhen who is more of a poacher and wouldn't get the most out of Rashford IMO.
RVP? One good year which preceded years of mediocrity. I'm afraid that's an argument against Kane not for himDid you think the same when we signed Robin?
Did you think the same when we signed Robin?
They've all got 3-5 years at a high level left. It would be dumb to waste them. Yes there are always multiple players who could take us up to that level where we can make the most of them and compete. One of them is possibly Osimhen, who would be much more expensive than Kane due to the age, but also likely not be as good as Kane and be a question mark in terms of how he fits to the league and the team and how he impacts others. One is possibly Benzema on a free, though he could be right at the edge of the cliff as he is roughly 5 years older. Other than those 2.... there aren't many strikers available, and it's a very important position for us to get right. Because Kane absolutely makes us league and CL competitors for next season, and at least the 2 seasons after that. There is pretty much nobody else who can do that for us. I mean look at Liverpool, they tossed 100m at Darwin Nunez and while he has a lot of potential, he also has the potential to be nothing more than a meme footballer.The flip side to that argument is that we don't need to add another big money signing to that list of key players who will decline and need to be replaced within a relatively short-period of time.
If our current squad isn't a million miles away then there's no reason to think Harry Kane and only Harry Kane will allow us to win a league title. It's not like you can't win league titles with strikers in their 20's, it's just about signing the right one.
Van Persie had 1 great year and then lost motivation with Sir Alex retiring (especially as he was then part of a mediocre team). That was partially on him, partially nothing to do with him. But also, RvP was an explosive player who had endless muscular injuries which hampered longevity.RVP? One good year which preceded years of mediocrity. I'm afraid that's an argument against Kane not for him
If Kane won us the league it would be worth it. And as somebody pointed out, SAF had to break a promise to Robin and he was left with the shit show that followed it.Not a great example given RVP gave one top quality season before falling off a cliff. If we signed Kane for £85m and he did that he would be a disastrous signing.
Was it short sighted signing Casemiro - a more recent signingDid you think the same when we signed Robin?
What about Casemiro do you think he's a bad signing?Not a great example given RVP gave one top quality season before falling off a cliff. If we signed Kane for £85m and he did that he would be a disastrous signing.
Not comparing them as players for what it’s worth. More the transfer itself than anything. Sign a world class striker at their peak. RVP is the last one I remember and he won us the league as a result. Whatever followed is well documented.RVP? One good year which preceded years of mediocrity. I'm afraid that's an argument against Kane not for him
No why?Was it short sighted signing Casemiro - a more recent signing
How can a future possibility be a myth?This is a myth and has been done to death in this very thread
Because he hasn’t been as sidelined as often as people thinkHow can a future possibility be a myth?
And the argument that he's slowing down and injury prone are also BSThis talk of Kane being a stop gap is getting a bit silly. He's going to be 30 in the summer, same age as Casemiro was when we signed him last summer. How many of you would turn him down on that basis now?
The Sesko shouts are pretty funny too. I'm sure you lads are tuning into the Austrian Bundesliga every week.
With Casemiro, Varane and Bruno being roughly the same age as Kane, it makes a lot more sense to get to a level where you can win now as soon as possible given it's just one player... Of course you don't spend brainless money, but still, you do whatever you can to make it happen.Why do you need instant gratification?
Sorry, meant to respond to the one you were responding toNo why?
Why are you worried about how much, it ain't your money + Lewa is 4 years older so should cost less85m they can feck off. Lewa went for 45m. Add another 15 for English tax and it would be a fair deal.
What about Casemiro do you think he's a bad signing?
Because we have a budget to work with? If it means, cutting other expenses it's obvious?Why are you worried about how much, it ain't your money + Lewa is 4 years older so should cost less
Like who ? No one is touching him. Bayern is probably the only one but they won't pay anything close to 60 when they sold a better player for 45m last year.They will try sell him abroad for ~£60m. This is will be a very difficult deal to do. Man Utd will ideally secure a young upcoming striker early in the window to put pressure on Spurs. Man Utd is probably the only move for Kane in the Premier League this summer.
We're talking about 1 player, one that is potentially the difference between winning the PL and being also-rans, a proven goal scorer, isn't injury prone as people think he is, doesn't rely on speed, which would be an issue if he did, he's entered the peak part of his career age wiseAs of right now, obviously not. If his form or physical fitness fell off a cliff next season, obviously yes. That's the risk with signing players for massive money at that age bracket. It all depends on just how long you get out of them.
We can say "X is the sort of player who can play well into his 30's" all we like, the truth is we have zero idea at what point over the coming few years their decline will hit. And if it happens too quickly then it doesn't matter how good they were initially, bringing them in instead of a younger player who might also have been excellent except for many more seasons was a mistake.
And the more players of that profile you sign, the more likely you are to get burned.
PSG, Bayern, potentially Real Madrid or Barcelona? Spurs will do all they can to avoid selling him to a Premier League rival. I agree he doesn't have that many options but it won't stop Spurs playing hard ball and preferring to shift him abroad.Like who ? No one is touching him. Bayern is probably the only one but they won't pay anything close to 60 when they sold a better player for 45m last year.
If it was a choice between Kane and a 21 year old Kane I'll choose the 21 year old Kane but it's not. Sesko and Osimhen might never be world class.As of right now, obviously not. If his form or physical fitness fell off a cliff next season, obviously yes. That's the risk with signing players for massive money at that age bracket.
We can say "X is the sort of player who can play well into his 30's" all we like, the truth is we have zero idea at what point over the coming few years their decline will hit. And if it happens too quickly then it doesn't matter how good they were initially, bringing them in instead of a younger player who might also have been excellent except for many more seasons was a mistake.
And the more players of that profile you sign, the more likely you are to get burned.
The teams biggest need is a no. 9 type striker, everything after that is a bonus, we don't get a striker that does the kind of things Kane does then we're wasting the talent we already haveBecause we have a budget to work with? If it means, cutting other expenses it's obvious?
It wouldn’t be £85m for us, we’d have to break the British transfer record.85m they can feck off. Lewa went for 45m. Add another 15 for English tax and it would be a fair deal.
No that I disagree but that's not my point. If you have only 100m , you don't spend everything on 29 year old with one remaining year. That's bad business.The teams biggest need is a no. 9 type striker, everything after that is a bonus, we don't get a striker that does the kind of things Kane does then we're wasting the talent we already have
PSG isn't buying him 100 % and he isn't going there.PSG, Bayern, potentially Real Madrid or Barcelona? Spurs will do all they can to avoid selling him to a Premier League rival. I agree he doesn't have that many options but it won't stop Spurs playing hard ball and preferring to shift him abroad.
Spurs can't really do anything, the ball is really in Kane's court, he can go abroad if he wants to but he's made it quite clear he wants Shearer's PL record so I don't think he agree to go anywhere but a PL club.PSG, Bayern, potentially Real Madrid or Barcelona? Spurs will do all they can to avoid selling him to a Premier League rival. I agree he doesn't have that many options but it won't stop Spurs playing hard ball and preferring to shift him abroad.
Given tonight’s announcement a move for Dusan Vlahovic should be a given.If it was a choice between Kane and a 21 year old Kane I'll choose the 21 year old Kane but it's not. Sesko and Osimhen might never be world class.
United biggest priority should be winning, it's good to develop young players but not at the expense of winning. I don't think our club can have too many youngster at the same time playing regularly, its always going to be a mix. Our attack is quite young. I doubt we'll need a winger in a while so we can afford Kane and his replacement in a few years time.