Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

Andrade said:
Why don't they? He's supposed to be the talisman, similar to what Mbappe is for France. The team goes as he goes. Harry Kane could never in a month of Sundays do what Mbappe did in the World Cup final. He's just not built that way mentally. That's my suspicion, he's free to prove me wrong at any point.
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That's Just fiction.

Problem here is people believing individuals win trophies rather than teams.

I've asked the question and yes its hypothetical but no harm in guessing.

Are Spurs winning a league with Lewandowski rather than Kane?

Same question goes for England and world cup.
 
Marwood said:
That's Just fiction.

Problem here is people believing individuals win trophies rather than teams.

I've asked the question and yes its hypothetical but no harm in guessing.

Are Spurs winning a league with Lewandowski rather than Kane?

Same question goes for England and world cup.
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Hypothetical questions are pointless. All we can do is look at what has actually happened. And what has happened is that Kane has gone Caspar in the biggest games for both Spurs and England. That's two teams, not just Spurs.

And why are you asking just about the league and the World Cup? What about the EFL Cup? What about the Euros? What about the Nations League?

And there's no point in relying on the old false gambit of 'teams win trophies'. Yes we all know that. The point is that teams rely on great players to show up in big moments when things are tight. We've all seen what that looks like so it's silly to try and pretend otherwise. Did France win the 2022 World Cup final? No. Did Mbappe show up in a way Kane never has in a massive game? Yes.
 
Andrade said:
Hypothetical questions are pointless. All we can do is look at what has actually happened. And what has happened is that Kane has gone Caspar in the biggest games for both Spurs and England. That's two teams, not just Spurs.

And why are you asking just about the league and the World Cup? What about the EFL Cup? What about the Euros? What about the Nations League?

And there's no point in relying on the old false gambit of 'teams win trophies'. Yes we all know that. The point is that teams rely on great players to show up in big moments when things are tight. We've all seen what that looks like so it's silly to try and pretend otherwise. Did France win the 2022 World Cup final? No. Did Mbappe show up in a way Kane never has in a massive game? Yes.
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Mbappes performance in that WC final is so overrated, as is he as a player. Ghosted for 80 minutes scored one good goal and got two penalties.
 
Andrade said:
Why don't they? He's supposed to be the talisman, similar to what Mbappe is for France. The team goes as he goes. Harry Kane could never in a month of Sundays do what Mbappe did in the World Cup final. He's just not built that way mentally. That's my suspicion, he's free to prove me wrong at any point.
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Mbappe scored 4 goals in the final 3 were penalties, you think Kane will have a problem scoring these when penalties are his strong point. Likely one of the best PK shooters around
 
Andrade said:
Hypothetical questions are pointless. All we can do is look at what has actually happened. And what has happened is that Kane has gone Caspar in the biggest games for both Spurs and England. That's two teams, not just Spurs.

And why are you asking just about the league and the World Cup? What about the EFL Cup? What about the Euros? What about the Nations League?

And there's no point in relying on the old false gambit of 'teams win trophies'. Yes we all know that. The point is that teams rely on great players to show up in big moments when things are tight. We've all seen what that looks like so it's silly to try and pretend otherwise. Did France win the 2022 World Cup final? No. Did Mbappe show up in a way Kane never has in a massive game? Yes.
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France is so much better and balanced than England which makes it easier for Mbappe to shine and win

In the CL Kane has played 1 final with Spurs just like Mbappe with a vastly better PSG

This is the first season Kane will be playing with a team considered one of the top CL teams which Mbappe has been enjoying for like 6yrs
 
kaiser1 said:
Mbappe scored 4 goals in the final 3 were penalties, you think Kane will have a problem scoring these when penalties are his strong point. Likely one of the best PK shooters around
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Mate if you disagree with whatever they have to say, they will just deem your posts to be clueless :lol:
 
kaiser1 said:
Mbappe scored 4 goals in the final 3 were penalties, you think Kane will have a problem scoring these when penalties are his strong point. Likely one of the best PK shooters around
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Hilarious. He had ONE penalty in a massive game (but still a much less pressurised game that the final) and sent it into orbit. They have space probes still looking for that ball. Of course Kane would have struggled. Because he's a bottler. Every great player fails to show up sometimes, but he fails almost every time.
 
kaiser1 said:
France is so much better and balanced than England which makes it easier for Mbappe to shine and win

In the CL Kane has played 1 final with Spurs just like Mbappe with a vastly better PSG

This is the first season Kane will be playing with a team considered one of the top CL teams which Mbappe has been enjoying for like 6yrs
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All I hear in the media is that England player for player are better than France, so I'm not sure about that
 
Andrade said:
Hilarious. He had ONE penalty in a massive game (but still a much less pressurised game that the final) and sent it into orbit. They have space probes still looking for that ball. Of course Kane would have struggled. Because he's a bottler. Every great player fails to show up sometimes, but he fails almost every time.
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Kane took a penalty in the Euro final and scored
That was probably the biggest game he has played so far
 
Andrade said:
All I hear in the media is that England player for player are better than France, so I'm not sure about that
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At which bar? Have you seen what England parades in their defence/keeper and compare that to France?
 
Andrade said:
Why don't they? He's supposed to be the talisman, similar to what Mbappe is for France. The team goes as he goes. Harry Kane could never in a month of Sundays do what Mbappe did in the World Cup final. He's just not built that way mentally. That's my suspicion, he's free to prove me wrong at any point.
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To dispove your point he would need to play in a World Cup final, so he quite literally isn't free to disprove your point at any time. He's free to disprove it if the performances of he and the rest of his team enable his team to reach a World Cup final while Kane is still young enough to play.

This thread is hilarious.
 
Trequarista10 said:
To dispove your point he would need to play in a World Cup final, so he quite literally isn't free to disprove your point at any time. He's free to disprove it if the performances of he and the rest of his team enable his team to reach a World Cup final while Kane is still young enough to play.

This thread is hilarious.
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Nonsense. Never said anything about a World Cup final. He played a Euros final, where was he? He played a World Cup semi final, where was he? He played a Nations League semi final, where was he? People in this thread are steadily confusing the very good with the great. We've all seen greatness and we all know that it exists in those spaces, not in qualifying rounds or the beginning of a season.
 
Andrade said:
Hilarious. He had ONE penalty in a massive game (but still a much less pressurised game that the final) and sent it into orbit. They have space probes still looking for that ball. Of course Kane would have struggled. Because he's a bottler. Every great player fails to show up sometimes, but he fails almost every time.
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Not true, he scored the first penalty in that game to make it 1-1.
 
Ish said:
It was always clear that Kane was in that top bracket of world class CF’s (Lewa, Benz, Suarez etc) - but he was always just “at the wrong club” to win the honours to go with that calibre of forward. In that aspect, I’m glad he’s made the move.

In the end, a couple of factors though: it doesn’t matter if he signed for Real, Bayern, City, PSG or Bayern. They’re all so dominant in their leagues that strikers of this calibre will always score bucketloads. I’m just glad he didn’t sign for City. He’d have been a monster and I’d have been forced to dislike him. If he’s able to pull off a UCL win plus a strong showing at the euros….who knows what he could win individually!
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I would love to have him right now at Real Madrid. I think it's a shame he spent so much time at Tottenham and he was also unlucky in the sense that a lot of the top teams already had good strikers on their prime.
 
Andrade said:
Nonsense. Never said anything about a World Cup final. He played a Euros final, where was he? He played a World Cup semi final, where was he? He played a Nations League semi final, where was he? People in this thread are steadily confusing the very good with the great. We've all seen greatness and we all know that it exists in those spaces, not in qualifying rounds or the beginning of a season.
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Mate, it was a joke about the phrasing. This conversation is ridiculous and doesn't merit a sincere response.
 
kaiser1 said:
At which bar? Have you seen what England parades in their defence/keeper and compare that to France?
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Also have the top scorer in Germany and the top scorer in Spain so you can understand the hype
 
You’d think Kane was an ex United player with the way people get angry or vexed at anyone daring to point out that he’s not exacting been a man for the big occasion, in spite of the fact he’s played quite a lot of really big games.
 
Andrade said:
Hypothetical questions are pointless. All we can do is look at what has actually happened. And what has happened is that Kane has gone Caspar in the biggest games for both Spurs and England. That's two teams, not just Spurs.

And why are you asking just about the league and the World Cup? What about the EFL Cup? What about the Euros? What about the Nations League?

And there's no point in relying on the old false gambit of 'teams win trophies'. Yes we all know that. The point is that teams rely on great players to show up in big moments when things are tight. We've all seen what that looks like so it's silly to try and pretend otherwise. Did France win the 2022 World Cup final? No. Did Mbappe show up in a way Kane never has in a massive game? Yes.
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You say hypotheticals are pointless but in the same post say Kane couldn't do the business in a world cup final. A theoretical point.

You're picking and choosing to suit your argument.
 
Marwood said:
You say hypotheticals are pointless but in the same post say Kane couldn't do the business in a world cup final. A theoretical point.

You're picking and choosing to suit your argument.
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Please try and understand what I'm saying. This is the second person to claim I said this. I'm not talking specifically about the World Cup final. I'm talking about any huge game where the world is watching. Like the Euros final, for example. Kane cannot do what Mbappe did in that game and we know this because he has never done it and he's had several chances. There's nothing hypothetical about it.
 
kaiser1 said:
Mbappe scored 4 goals in the final 3 were penalties, you think Kane will have a problem scoring these when penalties are his strong point. Likely one of the best PK shooters around
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He missed the second one against France when the team needed it most. So yeah, you see the problem.
 
Mourinhonista said:
He missed the second one against France when the team needed it most. So yeah, you see the problem.
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Thank you. It's really not that difficult to grasp.

It's all academic anyway. Kane has failed in big spots his whole career but he could have more opportunities coming up if England go Deep in the Euros and Bayern get to the business end of the CL (a team that's better than Spurs so there are no excuses). Let's see how he does.
 
Mourinhonista said:
He missed the second one against France when the team needed it most. So yeah, you see the problem.
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Kane missed 1 at the World cup quarter which knocked his team out
Mbappe missed one at the Euro quarters vs Swiss which knocked his team out

Mbappe scored PKs at the world cup final
Kane scored PK at the Euro final

Both have never won a CL only played 1 final
 
Acheron said:
I would love to have him right now at Real Madrid. I think it's a shame he spent so much time at Tottenham and he was also unlucky in the sense that a lot of the top teams already had good strikers on their prime.
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Yeah, absolutely. And Levi would have made it very difficult for him to move to a local club (see his City attempted move 2 years ago etc.). His only outside and realistic options were your lot, Bayern, Barca & potentially PSG - though I never saw him choosing PSG myself.

Partly it's also on him for spending so much time at Spurs tbh. He had tons of loyalty and some even doubted if he'd ever have the ambition to leave - so on all counts, I'm glad he's done it.
 
Andrade said:
Please try and understand what I'm saying. This is the second person to claim I said this. I'm not talking specifically about the World Cup final. I'm talking about any huge game where the world is watching. Like the Euros final, for example. Kane cannot do what Mbappe did in that game and we know this because he has never done it and he's had several chances. There's nothing hypothetical about it.
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I'm not claiming you said it, you did say it. Dodging questions when they don't suit your argument doesn't create much of a debate.

Anyway, your logic on this takes you down several rabbit holes.

England haven't won anything since '66, so your argument means Shearer, Lineker, Rooney, Owen, Robson etc were all lesser players as a result.

Mbappe doing nothing in a Champs League final means he's a lesser player.

Conversley when Kane suddenly starts winning trophies, as he now will, he's suddenly overnight become a better player at 30?

None of that makes sense and that's the problem with judging individuals by a teams results or by how they perform in one off games.
 
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I wonder why Bayern did not buy Eder instead of Kane. He proved that he is a man that can produce in the big moments with his goal in the Euro Final.

By caf standards he is not only the better player but also had a better career than Kane because of that goal.
 
Marwood said:
I'm not claiming you said it, you did say it. Dodging questions when they don't suit your argument doesn't create much of a debate.

Anyway, your logic on this takes you down several rabbit holes.

England haven't won anything since '66, so your argument means Shearer, Lineker, Rooney, Owen, Robson etc were all lesser players as a result.

Mbappe doing nothing in a Champs League final means he's a lesser player.

Conversley when Kane suddenly starts winning trophies, as he now will, he's suddenly overnight become a better player at 30?

None of that makes sense and that's the problem with judging individuals by a teams results or by how they perform in one off games.
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OK, so you don't understand what I said. No biggie. Let's address some of the other things you said:

England haven't won anything so a bunch of names are lesser players. Well, yes, essentially. Who is the greatest ever England player? A lot of people are claiming the late Bobby Charlton was. Why do they say that? If you make a list of the 100 best players of all time, where do the players that you've listed rank? By those standards, England have had very few elite players.

Your problem is that you are judging Kane by premier league or local standards. I'm judging him by world and historical standards.

'Conversely, when Kane starts winning trophies as he now will'

Will he? Let's see how he's done so far. Super cup? Lost. Cup? Knocked out. League? Not even top of the table as things stand. Now Bayern could win the league of course because they win it every year, but will Kane lead them to a CL win, which is what they bought him for? Doubtful. Will he lead England to a Euros win? I have my doubts but we'll see.
 
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