Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

Castia said:
Worked for them when they sold Bale

They’ve been shocking in the transfer market Spurs they won’t do that. If they sell Kane for 100m how much is it costing them for a player capable of 20-30 goals? You’re paying 60m and over regardless
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Yes, when clubs are selling to a PL club who they know has money, any half-decent player ends up costing you minimum of 50m anyway. You have to be very shrewd like Brighton to avoid this, but if you're an elite PL club going for established players from top leagues you'll get rinsed.

If Spurs wanted to replace Kane with Ramos from Benfica for example they'd end up paying 80m and making barely any profit to spend on other positions.

Having said that, Spurs will need to spend that big money on a striker next summer anyway except they'll have no Kane money as he'll be leaving for free, so probably wise for them to sell him now.

Personally if I see United spend £100m on a 30 year old with one year left on his contract, we may as well get Woodward back in charge because we never learn.
 
i don't see Levy selling him this summer unless it's over 100m.....Kane won't sign a new contract so Levy will hold off on selling him and let his contract run out in hopes of him signing a new deal
 
Red in STL said:
City are being accused of cheating, paying players under the table is part of that, United can't compete with that unless they do the same

We can't recruit 2 elite level players for each position, and neither have City, what they have done is bought players that they think can rise to the next level, that's what United need to do, look for the long-term replacements of the older stars we have, Malacia is good example to use, he's not elite level but he has the potential to be, he's young and is capable enough to fill in when needed
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I think you are down-playing the quality in City’s squad. I don’t care how we do it but we have to get more competition for places and hence more strength in depth.

Malacia is a game lad with a good attitude but considerably worse than Shaw. Hopefully he improves and reduces that gap. I don’t think we can afford that kind of quality across the whole squad; we can’t, in fact. Although we probably don’t have a choice in most situations.

The main point of debate here was whether it would be good to sign Kim or not (possibly Rice was mentioned as well?) assuming he doesn’t automatically displace Varane. You seemed to be saying we can’t sign him because he’s too good, correct me if I misunderstood that. My view is we have to keep signing (or developing if we can) good players to compete with Varane and Case and Bruno and Rashford and the higher quality these incoming players are the better it will be.

Worrying about whether they are “rotation” players is against the spirit of what we’re trying to achieve - no player should consider himself “rotation” or “backup”; they all need to fight for their place and believe they can get into the team.
 
Dominos said:
Yes, when clubs are selling to a PL club who they know has money, any half-decent player ends up costing you minimum of 50m anyway. You have to be very shrewd like Brighton to avoid this, but if you're an elite PL club going for established players from top leagues you'll get rinsed.

If Spurs wanted to replace Kane with Ramos from Benfica for example they'd end up paying 80m and making barely any profit to spend on other positions.

Having said that, Spurs will need to spend that big money on a striker next summer anyway except they'll have no Kane money as he'll be leaving for free, so probably wise for them to sell him now.

Personally if I see United spend £100m on a 30 year old with one year left on his contract, we may as well get Woodward back in charge because we never learn.
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Kane is World Class and will guarantee 20-30 goals for at least the next 2-3 seasons. Be mad not to get him in
 
I think it would be a mistake to spend a huge sum on Kane. Clearly, he's a top player, but his legs are already starting to go. We've been down this road before, many times.
 
I said it before - start of the window offer Spurs whatever is the maximum we would be willing to pay and give them a week to respond. After that, move on.
 
I think that we should offer £50m-£60m plus incentives/players (Harry for Harry?). If Levy wants to keep him and demand £100m+ in cash then we should sign a merely good striker (Marcus Thuram on a free for instance or maybe Iheanacho from a now Championship side) and sign Kane on a free this time next year.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I said it before - start of the window offer Spurs whatever is the maximum we would be willing to pay and give them a week to respond. After that, move on.
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In true United style, if this gets done it will be last week of the window after we've already dropped points in our opening games because we don't have a striker.
 
Rolaholic said:


I don't get it, what more does he owe them??
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It’s pure desperation.
Here’s the thing, if we are taken over by Qatar (more so them) then they aren’t our rivals chasing fourth. We will sign another top striker for absurd money and move on which leaves Kane having to go to a Chelsea etc because that’s all the openings that will be left.
Glazers stay then fair enough but surely to feck they they don’t think they’re title challengers that he flat out refuses to do business with us because Kane might get us to 90 points?
 
OrcaFat said:
I think you are down-playing the quality in City’s squad. I don’t care how we do it but we have to get more competition for places and hence more strength in depth.

Malacia is a game lad with a good attitude but considerably worse than Shaw. Hopefully he improves and reduces that gap. I don’t think we can afford that kind of quality across the whole squad; we can’t, in fact. Although we probably don’t have a choice in most situations.

The main point of debate here was whether it would be good to sign Kim or not (possibly Rice was mentioned as well?) assuming he doesn’t automatically displace Varane. You seemed to be saying we can’t sign him because he’s too good, correct me if I misunderstood that. My view is we have to keep signing (or developing if we can) good players to compete with Varane and Case and Bruno and Rashford and the higher quality these incoming players are the better it will be.

Worrying about whether they are “rotation” players is against the spirit of what we’re trying to achieve - no player should consider himself “rotation” or “backup”; they all need to fight for their place and believe they can get into the team.
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I'd argue that Malacia is roughly the same level as Shaw was at the same age

For some areas of the squad development should be the preferred option, at CB we have Varane and Licha, with Lindelof as cover, do we really need another elite level CB - I don't think so, if Lindelof was leaving then that would be a different kettle of fish

Rice to me is a smart buy, long term he's a Casemiro replacement, but initially he's a ball carrier and cover when Casemiro is out, he's also a good CB back-up option

Rashford's future is a tricky one, unless he can improve his touch and hold up play I can't see him as a CF, that means we may have to make a choice between him and Garnacho
 
If he wants to win a title, joining a team outside the PL seems like his best bet I have to say. PSG would probably be the safest bet, if they are removing Messi from the wage bill in the summer, I think they could even afford him.

Bayern, despite being the weakest they have been in over a decade are also a pretty save bet and with him leading the line I could see them getting back to their old dominance in the league again, on top of that Tuchel loves forwards who want to get involved in build up play.

Real Madrid, if Benzema leaves in the summer they will be on the lookout for a new top striker, Kane is also old enough to not block their new wonderkid Endrick forever.

Would I like to see him join United, of course I would, but I'm also realistic enough to know that Levy isn't going to be reasonable when it comes to negotiating with us, and for Kane there is no guarantee that he will win anything with us in the next 4–6 years he has probably left at the top of the game.
 
Well it’s on him. To be honest Spurs are stupid. There team needs rebuild and selling Kane could start it.
 
He will go on strike again and they will let him leave, there is not a single doubt in my mind about that.

They need money for a huge rebuild and they will not be stupid to not let him go for 100 mil.

Remember, we need to convince Kane, not Spurs. If Kane has the balls, he will leave.
 
I kind of don't see a lack of motivation with Kane not pushing for a move. He backs his own ability to maintain his level another season and teams will be highly motivated to sign him on a free transfer. He then stands to make a fortune and still get his big move. He can probably take his pick of sides to join based on how challenging teams shape up next season.

All that whilst not sullying his reputation with Spurs. He also must feel like he doesn't want to leave them in a complete lurch after a disaster season.
 
Red in STL said:
I'd argue that Malacia is roughly the same level as Shaw was at the same age

For some areas of the squad development should be the preferred option, at CB we have Varane and Licha, with Lindelof as cover, do we really need another elite level CB - I don't think so, if Lindelof was leaving then that would be a different kettle of fish

Rice to me is a smart buy, long term he's a Casemiro replacement, but initially he's a ball carrier and cover when Casemiro is out, he's also a good CB back-up option

Rashford's future is a tricky one, unless he can improve his touch and hold up play I can't see him as a CF, that means we may have to make a choice between him and Garnacho
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You’re looking at this in a different way to me. Lindelof is okay but he is not competition for either CB position. There has to be genuine competition for places across the whole team.
 
UnitedRepublic said:
Meaning he never was bad enough to play for a team of the level of Spurs. Kane is a big fish at a small pond everyone is catering to him do you think Antony and Rashford will cater to him if they can score and go for glory themselves.
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If they’re smart and he’s in a good position, yes, rashford can do that. Antony hasn’t proven his decision making skills are there
 
OrcaFat said:
You’re looking at this in a different way to me. Lindelof is okay but he is not competition for either CB position. There has to be genuine competition for places across the whole team.
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We don't have the money to do that + ETH does have the reputation for not rotating a lot, some positions need immediate upgrades and some don't, the latter is where we bring in potential the former is where we spend the big money
 
Red in STL said:
We don't have the money to do that + ETH does have the reputation for not rotating a lot, some positions need immediate upgrades and some don't, the latter is where we bring in potential the former is where we spend the big money
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We do have to prioritise and spend money wisely. I agree with that. However you are classifying players as first choice and back up, for example saying Rice could cover for Casemiro whereas he should compete with him. You’re talking about having to choose between Rashford and Garnacho whereas we should keep them both and have them compete with each other. That is the philosophy behind Man City’s squad strength.
 
I think it’s mad that he scored 6 less than Haaland in the PL considering the sheer hyperbole surrounding him. Gone relatively under the radar that IMO.
 
OrcaFat said:
We do have to prioritise and spend money wisely. I agree with that. However you are classifying players as first choice and back up, for example saying Rice could cover for Casemiro whereas he should compete with him. You’re talking about having to choose between Rashford and Garnacho whereas we should keep them both and have them compete with each other. That is the philosophy behind Man City’s squad strength.
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Of course Rice should compete but he has the flexibility to be something else as well, he fits the ball carrying box-to-box role as well as CB cover, the money he will cost can be put against the money we would save not having to fill those postions at the same time

Ideally we would want both Rashford and Garnacho, but realistically if either one isn't playing as often as they think they should then it becomes an issue and I can see that happening in the near future
 
Rolaholic said:
From the Mirror article



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All of that just writes itself.

If someone wants Kane while he is still at his peak they will bid for him now. They get an extra year of him vs waiting until next summer, and they eliminate the risk of him going somewhere else then.
 
Red in STL said:
Of course Rice should compete but he has the flexibility to be something else as well, he fits the ball carrying box-to-box role as well as CB cover, the money he will cost can be put against the money we would save not having to fill those postions at the same time

Ideally we would want both Rashford and Garnacho, but realistically if either one isn't playing as often as they think they should then it becomes an issue and I can see that happening in the near future
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Rice would be a good buy I think. I’m not sure if he has enough quality at no8 but he would certainly push to get in the XI, which is the sort of player we need.

A good pro should relish competition and improve. Let’s say Garnacho leaves because he’s not getting enough games, would you favour signing someone better than him so that Rashford starts not getting games or someone worse who doesn’t mind sitting on the bench?
 
OrcaFat said:
Rice would be a good buy I think. I’m not sure if he has enough quality at no8 but he would certainly push to get in the XI, which is the sort of player we need.

A good pro should relish competition and improve. Let’s say Garnacho leaves because he’s not getting enough games, would you favour signing someone better than him so that Rashford starts not getting games or someone worse who doesn’t mind sitting on the bench?
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A good pro should but this is the generation of we want it now, 1 club players aren't too common these days

Rashford, as good as he has been is a little too one-dimensional, his speed coupled with space is his best asset, without space he tends to struggle, he's not very good at holding up the ball and linking play that way, unless he can gain those skills he's essentially a LW, we already know he's not effective on the right.

Garnacho is potentially a generational talent, with more experience he will gain all the attributes of Rashford, he's also several years younger, he could probably be as effective on the RW as the LW in which case having both isn't an issue, but if he's seen as a LW then he's vying for the same position, in that scenario I see one of them going
 
I don’t see how buying Kane, Mount and Rice this summer is any different than the absolute shite we've been served up for the last 10 years. Obvious transfers with no plan other than they're available and fancy a payday or the manager 'rates' them.

2023*
  • Harry Kane: £70m
  • Declan Rice: £70m
  • Mason Mount: £55m
2013
  • Marouane Fellaini: £27.5m
  • Juan Mata: £37.1m
2014
  • Angel di Maria: £59.7m
  • Ander Herrera: £29m
  • Luke Shaw: £27m
  • Marcos Rojo: £16m
  • Daley Blind: £13.8m
  • Radamel Falcao: Loan
2015
  • Anthony Martial: £36m
  • Memphis Depay: £25m
  • Morgan Schneiderlin: £24m
  • Matteo Darmian: £12.7m
  • Bastian Schweinsteiger: £6.5m
2016
  • Zlatan Ibrahimovic: Free
  • Paul Pogba: £89m
  • Eric Bailly: £30m
  • Henrikh Mkhitaryan: £30m
2017
  • Romelu Lukaku: £75m
  • Nemanja Matic: £40m
  • Victor Lindelof: £31m
  • Alexis Sanchez: Swap
2018
  • Fred: £47m
  • Diogo Dalot: £19m
2019
  • Harry Maguire: £80m
  • Aaron Wan-Bissaka: £50m
  • Dan James: £15m
  • Bruno Fernandes: £47m
  • Hannibal Mejbri: £9m
  • Odion Ighalo: Loan
2020
  • Donny van de Beek: £35m
  • Alex Telles: £13m
  • Amad: £19m
  • Facundo Pellistri: £7m
  • Edinson Cavani: Free
2021
  • Cristiano Ronaldo: £12.8m
  • Jadon Sancho: £73m
  • Raphael Varane: £34m
2022
  • Tyrell Malacia: £13m
  • Lisandro Martinez: £46m
  • Christian Eriksen: Free
  • Casemiro: £60m
  • Antony: £81m
 
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