Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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How they play for us doesn't matter, because they played for a successful team before?
The Rubberman strikes again
Garry Birtles must be pleased.
Thing is I've never claimed to be a footall expert. Ever. People like you however often do.
I don't do that either. They are many people who dont agree with me. I dont call them fool. I only call fools, fools.
this is really a joke
That's the dumbest things you've ever posted. No one expected Bayern to get through. Yet they gave Milan hell with a decimated squad and a fresh from long term injury Hargreaves. More hell than a far superior United side, not missing a many players, with a fully fit Carrick ever did. This is a matter of fact. Not opinion. Which emphasizes my highlighting Hargreaves role this all the more. Only a mad man can call that a contradiction. You really are mad. I have only one user name. I've never had another in the past, neither will I have another in the future.
Only a person like you can behave with such stupidity. I have never ever favoured or been against a player due to personal feelings like my support for a club or what I think of the player as a person. Never have, never will.
Good. The world is thankfull not filled with Hargreaves haters like you and your comrades.
If that is what people were saying only. This thread wouldn't be this long.
Which is bollocks. You can not have watched him against Arsenal away, Man City Away, Liverpool away and Blackburn at home and say he hasn't been United quality this season. A season in which he is still adjusting to English football, which unlike one Carrick, who just moved from London , he has never ever played in. Unless of course you hate him for no valid reason under the sun.
Hargreaves: 16 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 4 shots on target, 56 tackles won, 28 interceptions, 17 crosses, 32 completed passes/game
Carrick: 23 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 5 shots on target, 54 tackles won, 30 interceptions, 20 crosses, 38 completed passes/game
For someone who does pro-active defending, Carrick has less interceptions per game and has won less tackles overall though he has played 7 more games.
It matters when people come out with pronouncements like he is shit and Carrick is better than him. Based on the entire season Carrick had last year, and Hargreaves' first season here so far. When unlike Carrick, he never just shifted towns, but came from an entirely different culture and footballing philosophy to arrive at United. On top his first season not even being over yet.
He does. But that is always swept under the rug. When ever a performance goes wrong he is the first to blame. Even when it was never his fault and he was actually good.
Which isn't the issue. Earlier this season when Carrick was in shit form, the same people were still insisting Carrick should always start ahead of Hargreaves, regardless of form, even after performance like the one at Anfield because "he is shit and Carrick is superior".
Furthermore they same people are now telling us how "Carrick has been our best midfielder this season and Hargreaves the worst" which couldn't be any further from the truth!
Which isn't a valid reason. Because form is temporary but class is permanent. Hargreaves has proven his class in the past Time and again.
He most certainly will. I just don't want his haters to then go around pretending they wished him success all along.
You really need helpHow they play for us doesn't matter, because they played for a successful team before?
The Rubberman strikes again
. What a player has done in his career prior to arriving at a club must always matter. Because unless he is a youngster, that is the reason he was bought! To judge him on anything else, in his first season, as a new signing, is beyond stupid.Excellent. Watch him cook up a flimsy excuse to discredit that........
Hargreaves: 16 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 4 shots on target, 56 tackles won, 28 interceptions, 17 crosses, 32 completed passes/game
Carrick: 23 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 5 shots on target, 54 tackles won, 30 interceptions, 20 crosses, 38 completed passes/game
For someone who does pro-active defending, Carrick has less interceptions per game and has won less tackles overall though he has played 7 more games.
Tá sé sin craicealta.
The Hargreaves Thread in Sonnet Form
It's all getting a bit serious again, back to the original porpoise....
O’er eighty pages now and going strong
The Chief will not give up his wild crusade
Nay say him and you’re lying, not just wrong
The very soul of football you’ve betrayed
FS (who’s style reminds me of Gillespie)
Defends the Chief from those who would attack him
Nood’s jokes are intellectual dishonesty
Most posters want to meet FS - to smack him
It seems the thread will run and run and run
Just like it’s own eponymous hero
And whilst the effort is denied by none
The net effect is sadly close to zero
Some posters say the thread will drive them mad
Some posters say it rots their teeth enamel
Some posters say that Hargreaves’s not that bad
Some posters say he feeds on ocean mammal
I say this thread is just like Graham Poll
It’s due to disappear up it’s arsehole
It's all getting a bit serious again, back to the original porpoise....
O’er eighty pages now and going strong
The Chief will not give up his wild crusade
Nay say him and you’re lying, not just wrong
The very soul of football you’ve betrayed
FS (who’s style reminds me of Gillespie)
Defends the Chief from those who would attack him
Nood’s jokes are intellectual dishonesty
Most posters want to meet FS - to smack him
It seems the thread will run and run and run
Just like it’s own eponymous hero
And whilst the effort is denied by none
The net effect is sadly close to zero
Some posters say the thread will drive them mad
Some posters say it rots their teeth enamel
Some posters say that Hargreaves’s not that bad
Some posters say he feeds on ocean mammal
I say this thread is just like Graham Poll
It’s due to disappear up it’s arsehole
I shall take that as a compliment then.
You're a maniac.
In a nice way of course.
Hargreaves: 16 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 4 shots on target, 56 tackles won, 28 interceptions, 17 crosses, 32 completed passes/game
Carrick: 23 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 5 shots on target, 54 tackles won, 30 interceptions, 20 crosses, 38 completed passes/game
For someone who does pro-active defending, Carrick has less interceptions per game and has won less tackles overall though he has played 7 more games.
how about incomplete passes per game?
Just wondering where are you getting these stats from?
But this is the thing, you make these claims but everyone is watching the same games (in fact many of us are watching the same games live, i.e. when we can see the whole pitch rather than just what the TV cameras show us) and there's a clear consensus that Hargreaves has underperformed so far for United.
You think this is because everyone else in the world is "mad" or "stupid" or "young" or "dumb" or a "liar" or a "fool" or because for some irrational reason they "hate" Hargreaves or are on some sort of "campaign" to rubbish him.
Myself and others who have posted believe the discrepancy between your view of his current performances and the majority is actually accounted for by the fact that you are a Bayern fan and (a) really want him to do well because you loved him at Bayern and (b) are judging his current performances on how he played in a much weaker Bundesliga.
As for your alter ego on this board, why was it posted that you had more than one username if it wasn't true? You should have taken that allegation up with the mods really if it wasn't true.
Anyway I hope not of this has seen me removed from the top of your "hate list". Remind me, just how old are you again?
OH always banged on about how his grandparents were English from like Bolton or summat and he felt that he would be more at home in England than at Bayern...
plus any culture he is accustomed to is also influenced by that of English speaking Canadians, who, by and large are well influenced by British culture.
just typing, like.
It's all about quality of passes, not quantity.
Hargreaves: 16 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 4 shots on target, 56 tackles won, 28 interceptions, 17 crosses, 32 completed passes/game
Carrick: 23 games, 1 goal, 1 assist, 5 shots on target, 54 tackles won, 30 interceptions, 20 crosses, 38 completed passes/game
For someone who does pro-active defending, Carrick has less interceptions per game and has won less tackles overall though he has played 7 more games.
Errrm, don't forget that Carrick's main job isn't to defend, it's to create. His defensive abilities are simply an added bonus.
Hargreaves main role is to defend, and therefore he should always have more tackles and interceptions than a player like Carrick, I'd be even more concerned about him if he didn't.
That shocks me, considering the distance and risk factor involved with a Hargreaves pass , compared to a Carrick pass, I am shocked that Carrick only has 3 more uncompleted passes.
It just goes to show how good a passer Carrick is.
Yep, let's have the link please, unsourced data is of no more use than no data whatsoever. Ta.
OH always banged on about how his grandparents were English from like Bolton or summat and he felt that he would be more at home in England than at Bayern...
plus any culture he is accustomed to is also influenced by that of English speaking Canadians, who, by and large are well influenced by British culture.
just typing, like.
Let's just accept he's basically had a bad season. The rest are excuses.
Anderson, Nani and Torres all came from other leagues and cultures, they have adapted very well, and quickly.
You're a loony.
Has it occurred to you that your extreme, compassionate love for anything Hargreaves makes it seem to you that everyone else hates him, when most in fact simply think he has yet to prove himself?
OH always banged on about how his grandparents were English from like Bolton or summat and he felt that he would be more at home in England than at Bayern...
plus any culture he is accustomed to is also influenced by that of English speaking Canadians, who, by and large are well influenced by British culture.
just typing, like.
the american culture is surely more influential on us than the british culture, no?
I'm basing my statement on our historic ties to England.
and I'm basing my statement on our current ties to the states
are you sure that's not based on your cable tv subscription?
we have a Governor General who is the Queen of England's representitive in Canada.
probably, also culturally.
Do you want her? I don't, you can have her.
She's your head of state though. You lucky lucky people.
Owen Hargreaves > Queen Elizabeth II
Ah, the arrogance of youth.
RedNome, I bet you Sams right...there are alot of adults who do not have a scooby...
ok, let's not derail this thread any more than it already has been.
You might as well carry on, this thread will, it actually defines the word infinity, there is no end.
Elizabeth II? or Michelle Jean?
TBH I'd give one to our Governor General.
You can have the Queen, I'll take your Governor-General.
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