Hargreaves might be a good option in midfield 5 though. When/if Fletcher stops playing better than him.
Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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1 As per usual, you ignore the even less defendable point Noods made about the chief's argument re the Bayern game.
I don't even remember the terrible things noodle is meant to have said. Only you do. I was making a point about an obvious incongruity in one of your childish rants, I'm not obliged to trawl through all of them.
2 Once again you ignore the fact that Noods posted the 'better than' remark as an explanation (and therefore presumably hyperbole free remark) regarding his point.
Yet again: the giant robot bit was the hyperbole
3 Effenberg v. Keane - you seem to be the only person so far (I raised the question earlier) to rate Effenberg (via the opinions of unsubstantiated others) as superior.
I don't. I reckon at their peaks there was nothing much between them. I said I was sure plenty of people do, such things being largely a matter of opinion and not, as you think, forensic analysis.
Congratulations. By your own notably stupid logic, you are now guilty of LYING, dishonesty and hypocrisy.
4 Noods continued to construct new misrepresentations of both what the chief and I posted - not consistent with honesty - especially when he purports to advance evidence in support of his case.
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I don't know or care what Nuck's remark was - he himself seems to think no hyperbole was intended. All irrelevant to whether noodle was exaggerating for comic effect - which he obviously was - but possibly relevant to your capacity or otherwise to correctly identify hyperbole.
Clone usually means identical. The Chief is now claiming he meant shared characteristics, but if so it seems unlikely he'd have said clone. Either way it doesn't matter, as it's not necessary on a football forum to find written evidence of a poster's views, you can just say what you reckon he thinks based on the tenor of his posts, if he disagrees he can say so, as the Chief frequently and robustly does.
It's called a conversation
I think this is a fair assessment Chief. I would add though that when I've seen him play for United this season, he hasn't been particularly fast or mobile. I'm worried that whatever pace or mobility he did have has gone away after his injury. As I said in probably my only other serious post in this thread, it may be that with a full preseason behind him and a run of games he can become a more effective regular player for United. I don't know.
I don't see how anyone can support the image of Hargreaves making defense splitting passes or going on surging forward runs based on his appearances for United. I think you would say that isn't his job and would agree that certainly as far as the creative passing is concerned, Carrick has been more productive. (FS isn't of course supporting the argument, he's merely debating the method of argument which is his wont).
Also Nucks uses the argument that Hargreaves had done well this season when up against a more talented midfield. Given that we don't often play teams with a more talented midfield (who are we talking about this season? Arsenal aruguably? I can think of no other team we've played this season who can match our midfield resources) - if he's only going to be of use against a more talented midfield, he's not going to be of use very often is he? And it's not possible to just play him in those games as he wouldn't be sharp and fit for the games where he's 'needed', which on this season's evidence would be from the Champions League semis onwards.
Just to be clear, in case FS thinks I hate Owen Hargreaves like everyone else who says he hasn't set Old Trafford alight this season... I don't want OH to fail or be sold. I would just like to see him start to play better. I don't really think I'm going to see that this season because I suspect his injuries and lack of games are too serious for him to recover without a full preseason behind him. Hopefully, with a summer free of international football and a good preseason with United and more luck with injuries, we'll see the player you all tell us he is next season.
Actually, people have claimed much, much more, as I pointed out earlier to a similar remark (of course, all anti-OH posters will have read ALL their opponents' remarks as Noods demanded of me).
Let's see 'if you love football and love Owen Hargreaves you have a hole in your soul' - location of an anti-OH poster here.
Remarks about OH being 'anti-football' and 'pointless' in contexts which referred to his general function as a footballer 'at all'.
You may be right that 'No one has claimed to hate OH' but a number have indicated feelings that amount to that. It is true though, that even posters who don't really hate OH, manage to post the same type of shit as those who do.
I think Hargreaves is crap, I don't think he's any good as a footballer, I'm not saying this lot to antagonise.
He runs down the left
He runs down the riggggggghhhhhhhttttt
That boy Hargreaves
Makes United play shite
I did post that to antagonise
I reckon a team like Newcastle or Spurs would be his ideal station.
United is an ideal station for Hargreaves, just give him time
Newcastle maybe.
Spurs have players like Huddlestone, Jenas and Ohara (don't know how to spell his name), who are far better technically. Their style of play isn't all that dissimilar from ours. I reckon they need a top class midfielder, and a less spastic defence. Not Owen Hargreaves
Dunno, those of us who don't support Liverpool were pretty glad he existed about 10 months ago.
Mongo make simple goal.
In tribute to Page 76, what this thread needs is a gay Owen Hargreaves lookalike in a hat with a feather in it...
Oh look! Introduced by Jason no less
Oh look! Introduced by Jason no less
In tribute to Page 76, what this thread needs is a gay Owen Hargreaves lookalike in a hat with a feather in it...
Oh look! Introduced by Jason no less
This thread is gone beyond the realms of oddness !!
Disturbing thread.Why I even poked my nose in here,I don't know.
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With respect, he's at an age where he should be at the peak of his profession. I don't buy into the argument he's had a stop start season, or he's adapting to a new country, or league. He was never anything special in his Bayern days.
Er no. I was just saying that he was at fault for that particular goal. The one that knocked them out of Europe. In the game where he supposedly put in a performance that made Pele look like Ralphie Milne.
Misrepresentation! I object! You sir, are intellectually dishonest and should be rooted out and spanked by Mike Phelan.
Fergie stalked his man for a long, long time. Trust the master!
I thought Hargreaves was great at Bayern but ive been less than impressed during his short stay here but very optimisting about what he can offer us in the future. The nature of the premiership is different to the German, International or European games he has experianced, all very slow tempo, pass to the next man football. Once he gets to grip with how we expect him to play in the premier league we'll have a top player. If you read into the type of character he is and seen his achievements you would be wiser to write him off.
I thought Hargreaves was great at Bayern but ive been less than impressed during his short stay here but very optimisting about what he can offer us in the future. The nature of the premiership is different to the German, International or European games he has experianced, all very slow tempo, pass to the next man football. Once he gets to grip with how we expect him to play in the premier league we'll have a top player. If you read into the type of character he is and seen his achievements you would be wiser to write him off.
Prepare to be stalked across the forum by Feadingseagulls
Get it right noods
does anyone recon this thread will reach the fabled 100 page mark
I picture Feeding Seagulls as a disgruntled academic whose work never reached the level that he wanted so he takes out his disappointment by using long words on an internet forum to sound pretentious.
Then again, I also picture Bazalini as Christopher Walken and think Devilish could well be Kevin Keegan in disguise, so you shouldn't read too much into that.
Hey, didn't Golden Blunder also say that a United player posts on these boards too?
Wait a minute....
The Chief....
Supports both United AND Bayern....
He's German yet speaks English....
Could it be? It all makes sense now....
THE CHIEF IS OWEN HARGREAVES!!!
Then again, I also picture Bazalini as Christopher Walken and think Devilish could well be Kevin Keegan in disguise, so you shouldn't read too much into that.
Hey, didn't Golden Blunder also say that a United player posts on these boards too?
Wait a minute....
The Chief....
Supports both United AND Bayern....
He's German yet speaks English....
Could it be? It all makes sense now....
THE CHIEF IS OWEN HARGREAVES!!!
In your world. Where insane people roam. Not on planet Earth
Chief is class...
He brings a smile to my face, when reading his posts.
Hargreaves is still rubbish mind.
He brings a smile to my face, when reading his posts.
Hargreaves is still rubbish mind.
So why did we sign Hargeaves?
PS - how are your man-boobs you seemed so keen to tell us all about?
I don't know. I don't have 'man-boobs'. Just the thought of it makes me ill.
What this has to do with OH I don't know.
He is a defensive midfielder, his main priority is to help stop us concede goals, a bit like a centre forward's main role is to score goals.
Kinell, playing 5 yard passes to a teammate after winning the ball back isn't exactly a hard job job, anyone can do that, apart from, it seems, OH. Most of the time he dwells on the ball, running round for a while, before eventually deciding to pass, and even then it's a 50/50 chance that that pass will be any good. That may be his job, but at the moment, he's not doing it very well.
He's also not winning the ball back that often, he just hassles the player before fouling him, or forcing him into a pass, and to be able to make those interceptions, you have to have good positional sense, something OH has not.
By the way, if you thought that I actually expected Hargreaves to do all those things I mentioned in a previous post, your very stupid. That was a joke.
Hargreaves, theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
(Thank feck)
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
theres only 1 Hargreaves
(Thank feck)
see? i knew we could get 3000 posts.. i believe in you guys.. keep it up
Heres a simile.. Chief is the obsessed queer guy, and Hargreaves is the marmite.
Actually, it's an 85/15 chance
Which compares favourably with:
Anderson, 80/20 chance
Mascherano 82/18
Makalele 82/18
Fabregas 78/22
Gerrard 75/25
http://telegraph.jumpmediagroup.com/PlayerStat.aspx?p1id=5127&p2id=3789
The whole "Hargreaves can't pass for shite" myth is one of many bizarre idiosyncracies of the caf.
His biggest flaw, when we're in possession, is a tendency to delay on the ball but I wonder if that might be due to him having only played 19 league games this season, with the team re-shuffled in almost every game he plays?
Or are we expecting him to be familiar the runs and movement of his new team-mates from the moment he signed for us?
Hmmmm...
Don't forget that the likes of Fabregas, Gerrard and Anderson try a lot of 'killer' balls, rather than just 5 yard passes to a teammate.
The fact that Hargreaves record is almost identical to Makelele and Mascherano , 2 players that often get criticised for their passing ability says it all really.
You can't compare the accuracy of Hargreaves' passing to that of Anderson/Ronaldo etc. I'm sure Anderson would have better stats if he always played a 5-yard horizontal ball.
If we're talking stats, how about someone digging up Carrick's tackling? Surprised the hell out of me.
Probably because you expected him to tackle like Scholes. So did I, for some reason.
To reason sam you have to take in information, try it.
He is a good passer, proven himself as one of the best holding midfielders in Europe, played for two of the biggest clubs in the world, won a bucket full of medals and personal awards.
The guy is one of the best at what he does, he cant do stepovers, the maradona turn or any of that, he just does what every team needs and hes one of the best at it. Our modern day Nobby Stiles.
Sooner or later hes going to make everyone who doubted him eat their words.
Slight contradiction there
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