He really does look a player. Like Greenwood level type.
Hannibal Mejbri - Manchester United Player
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He really does look a player. Like Greenwood level type.
He did lose the ball cheaply in the early part of the game but that was mostly down to how eager he was to set the tempo IMO. He started the game at a break-neck speed, so it wasn't a surprise he lost the ball a few times sloppily. But as the game progressed and most of our players were getting dominated physically, Mejbri was the only one who was imposing his game on the opposition and many of his passes that were absolutely fine IMO resulted in getting intercepted due to Lincoln being physically stronger and that bit quicker. But even with all things considered he still registered a impressive pass completion stat.
What I dont like about our side currently is the fact it is so bloated with players past it and/or injury prone and/or not good enogugh.
We keep talking about championing youth but really only Greenwood has had chances. Williams got games due to injuries but really who else is there?
SOme of this deadwood yet again we are failing to shift and lets be honest, its still pretty much in double figures are taking up spots in the squad and even first team. Spots where the player is in my opinion past it or not good enough.....so complaints of some of these youngsters being not physically or mentally ready, I disagree I would rather they are getting chances to see if they are than some players and we have 2-5 really good ones...a couple of those should certainly be on the bench over others I see there
We keep talking about championing youth but really only Greenwood has had chances. Williams got games due to injuries but really who else is there?
SOme of this deadwood yet again we are failing to shift and lets be honest, its still pretty much in double figures are taking up spots in the squad and even first team. Spots where the player is in my opinion past it or not good enough.....so complaints of some of these youngsters being not physically or mentally ready, I disagree I would rather they are getting chances to see if they are than some players and we have 2-5 really good ones...a couple of those should certainly be on the bench over others I see there
I absolutely love watching Hannibal and really think he's very close to deserving some first team action with us.
For me he's currently a bit of a betwixt and between - he's already a senior international and has got the high ability level worthy of first team action here at 18, rather than being loaned out. It's just whether he's got the temperament for our first team squad yet - going off what we've seen at U18 / U23 level.
It's very tough for Ole, though. We've got some quality attacking options, and he's battling for trophies against teams who don't give too many youngsters chances so it's even harder to try and achieve it while also balancing developing more raw teenagers than them.
We've managed to do it with Rashford and Greenwood - but how do you also work in the likes of Hannibal, Amad, Elanga, Shoretire, Hugill, etc, when you've got all our other attacking options ahead of them and virtually every game is important?
I can't see how he can get (m)any starts in the PL or CL this season. As he's clearly below the regular front men / AM's. And if he's rarely going to even make the match day squads then maybe we'll see him loaned out in January. But, personally, I think he's so close to first team squad level that I'd love to see him stay and be used on the bench ahead of the likes of Mata or James for most games.
For me he's currently a bit of a betwixt and between - he's already a senior international and has got the high ability level worthy of first team action here at 18, rather than being loaned out. It's just whether he's got the temperament for our first team squad yet - going off what we've seen at U18 / U23 level.
It's very tough for Ole, though. We've got some quality attacking options, and he's battling for trophies against teams who don't give too many youngsters chances so it's even harder to try and achieve it while also balancing developing more raw teenagers than them.
We've managed to do it with Rashford and Greenwood - but how do you also work in the likes of Hannibal, Amad, Elanga, Shoretire, Hugill, etc, when you've got all our other attacking options ahead of them and virtually every game is important?
I can't see how he can get (m)any starts in the PL or CL this season. As he's clearly below the regular front men / AM's. And if he's rarely going to even make the match day squads then maybe we'll see him loaned out in January. But, personally, I think he's so close to first team squad level that I'd love to see him stay and be used on the bench ahead of the likes of Mata or James for most games.
The fact that he's been moved deeper could be an indication that he's being considered for first team duties this season. That's where we are weakest.
I don’t think it’s as simple as that. If we were considering bringing a youngster into the team for a position like DM then it would be a specialist DM who is on the cusp of first team football.
We’re just rounding him off as a player and playing in a deeper and more central role than he is used to is a good way to widen his skillset and experience.
He is suspended for a game, is he not?
That's not atypical of Utd's youth set up TBF. When Brian Kidd was here, they'd be trying players in various positions; Scholes played further up front, Neville CB before they settled into where they were finally
I think he is. Also last year when Ole was giving out debuts he was injured. He’s 18 though. There are no 18 year olds starting in central midfield in the PL these days. Fabregas was a freak player. I think we could be more aggressive in bringing him on in games we are winning but I’m fairly sure the safest option is to start using him on the wings first if he’s starting. Who is he going to displace? I think he needs a loan this season and will go out after Xmas. Especially if he can’t break through with Mcts injury and and all that.
With McTominay looking like he’s out for a bit and our seemingly unwillingness to bring in a midfielder without selling first, could he make the step up? I think he could.
It's really tricky to bed in an 18 year old midfielder in the PL, if he was playing as an attacking 8 or even a 10 you can get away with it a bit more but you have to have a lot of discipline in a double pivot and he'd obviously be targetted by opposition midfielders.
I hear ya, but look what happened with Rashford, could it be a similar sort of scenario where he gets thrown into the first team and settles in really quickly? I certainly think he’s got the talent and tenacity to make it here.
Rashfords debut was Europa wasn't it?
I can find it easier giving a start in a cup game like Fa, Carboa or Europa rather than PL.
I agree though, Hannibal doesn't seem like a player that needs more youth time and can be useful in the first team.
Ole simply has to give Donny a run now for better or worse. Christ he’ll probably start Donny and Matic in the next game 
what the hell is this? Jesus wept
There is certainly an argument to be made that Solskjaer actually isn't giving the youth enough chances. Greenwood cannot be used as an example because he's a potentially world class talent, that's like saying Moyes gives youth chance because he let Rooney come through the first team at Everton.
Diallo on loan is understandable given Sancho, however Garner and Hannibal yet to have senior first team appearances despite playing in the areas the club have the biggest weaknesses within. Gomes fell under the same category before leaving for France. I think Ole's limitations as a manager, needing more refined players plays a big part in the need to have more established players for success compared to promoting the youth.
How’s Gomes doing?
Both of these have played senior football for United. Garner played in the Europa League a couple of seasons ago and honestly he just didn’t take his chance. He also went on loan to Watford and wasn’t great before an improved performance at Forest. The reality is that some of these kids may not be good enough for senior ball as much as they rip it up in 23s (see Gomes/ A. Pereirra). I do think Hannibal will be different but not sure about Garner.
Played for the French champions in the last game. How's Andreas Pereira doing?
Interesting. I presume Lille didn’t ever loan him out to a weaker club/league, seeing as you seem to think this is a disaster for player development?
Very strange conclusion. Some need loans, some don't.
It is always funny to note how the criteria for giving «youth a chance» twists;
- Greenwood too good to count,
- McTominay made his debut and played a bit under Mourinho (less than 20 games),
- Henderson was on a loan first. Does not count. It only count if OGS are first one who give the player minutes of senior football.
- James. Young, but was bought and had played senior football. See above.
- Williams? Argh. Well. He had too, right? Because or injuries. Dont feel that count!
So, technically, until OGS give the chance to a poor to mediocre young talent, despite better senior players being available for selection, it really dont count.
Small, technical players, for example? Who aren’t the most physically developed?
Players like Angel Gomes or…
So just because Angel Gomes would do with a loan means that it would be good for Amad?
add to the fact that, in that specific case, I questioned Basel (a club who still hasn't qualified for any Europan competition) rather than a loan in general? Your posts just getting weirder.So just because Angel Gomes would do with a loan means that it would be good for Amad?
I shouldn’t have to spell this out to you but here goes. You implied Angel Gomes’ career is going well because he just played a game for the French champions. And fair play to him for that. Of course, he only managed this after spending a season on loan at Boavista. Take a wild guess what your reaction would have been if it came out that we wanted to send Amad on loan to Boavista? Because I’ve a pretty good idea.
You're just spitting shite. No wonder you have over 100k posts.
He is, it was only the other night he got sent off vs Lincoln.
He is great to watch! hoping he can find his way into the first team somehow...but its never an easy step to make, but fingers crossed!
Greenwood is perhaps the only professional who has established himself as a first team member. Mctomminay made his debut season under Mourinho's management. Henderson at the age of 24 cannot be considered "youth" although he's young, bringing youth through is predominantly contextualised to those of younger age ranges.
The fact that the status synonymous with Solskjaer is that he gives chances to the youth and you have mentioned 4 players with only two being regulars highlights the point significantly. Contrast it to LVG who provided debuts to over 13 players in a shorter time period. My issue is not with Ole or his management etc it's the status that he's a manager who gives chances to the youth when reality is contrary to this belief.
Youth also shouldn’t be a generic age range. Goalkeepers, centre backs and centre half’s often need longer to get into senior football because the roles require more physicality and experience.
Ah, I forgot that one. Not only should he give them a chance, they must also become «regulars» to count.
Like watching a young Luka Modric.
Irrespective, the summation of your defence of Ole stands for four individuals, (three considering one made it under a previous manager) it's hardly a strong reflection to show breakthrough at youth level into the seniors.
Exactly, LvG gave youth a chance. He gave debuts to 17, 18 and 19 years olds in IMPORTANT games. He trusted them. It's entirely different and quite frankly laughable to count McTominay, not even a young player who also had made his debuts years ago, to give youth a chance. He was a member of the first-team squad, just like any other player. LvG was insane at that when I think about it! That's bravery. Ole has given Mason and Williams a real chance, I wouldn't really say that he has given any other youth player a real chance. He has given some debut here and there, but for a few minutes in games that didn't matter. I could buy it though because he gave players some minutes when he got the chance before, see Astana, and in some games after that too. However, he seems to have stopped that now. In the last two years, he has barely played any youth player at all actually. Just look at the games against Tranmere and LASK for example.
How many should have broken through during Ole's tenure?
Surely has to play vs West Ham in EPL and if he does I hope he seizes his chance.
LvG got rid of players and kept the squad small for the purpose of promoting youth. But it isn't like it was for a good purpose. Do you remember the football? It was awful. The majority of players he gave debuts to as well were just not good players. Where is McNair now? Blackett, Riley, Varela, Borthwick-Jackson... the majority of these players were never going to make it here. Most youth players don't full stop. Now we have a larger squad and fewer injuries too. So when minutes are sparse, how could you expect him to justify to Mata, Matic, Telles etc that the games he can spare his best players he has given to a youth player who isn't anywhere near as good as them (yet)? The only exceptions being when there is a player so good you can't really not promote him (Greenwood). If we could start getting rid of players like Andreas, Jones, Lingard, Martial then he could justify it but for some reason, we gave them ridiculous contracts.
I don't know. You're kind of just giving more credit to LVG. Blackett is not as good of a prospect as Laird, or even Brandon Williams. Same with Varela and Borthwick Jackson, although clearly better than Blackett was. So he gave chances to players who aren't as good of prospects as what we currently have which implies a greater level of risk and commitment. One thing I will give credit to LVG is that he did try to fit Januzaj in somehow. He didn't like how he was performing at winger, so he tried him out as a CM. So it's not like he wasn't trying to make it work in his own way. It's just his rigid instructions did not suit Januzaj and so I can understand why Januzaj did not like LVG. This was a fault of LVG, who was far too rigid.
Getting rid of players so that younger ones can be given a start and hopefully impress is a credit to LVG. Now that doesn't mean you just get rid of everyone. But depending on what you have there should be a certain level of trimming involve. With the current players Ole has (better than what LVG had), and the expectations he currently has (title challenge), he should not trim as much as LVG did. But I do think our squad is somewhat bloated and I think everyone is in agreement with that.
For me personally it isnt even the argument I am making about giving youth a chance. You valid points about how folly some comments can be. It is more the fact that currently with such a bloated squad that some are not getting a chance gue to the fact there are more than a fair few senior players.....and some of them at that, really havent been at the right level for a few seasons now....blocking there pathway, that is what is wrong for me. There are no certainties these youths are ready or even will make the step up. But the fact there are some with huge talent and lets not forget that cost a lot of money, they shouldnt be gettign blocked by some players that are blocking them, that is what frustrates me. For me we could easily move on 6/7 players to make way for a couple of them, with one more signing we would actually be better off even