Im of the belief that western ideals ought not to be applied exactly in India. The histories/context of both are different. Its the same with secularism, there it is separation of state and religion while in India the state panders to every religion equally more or less while maintaining it is not discriminating. I believe this copying trend has caused more troubles, ours is a religious society, theirs isnt, ours is a diverse society, theirs isnt.
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Im of the belief that western ideals ought not to be applied exactly in India. The histories/context of both are different. Its the same with secularism, there it is separation of state and religion while in India the state panders to every religion equally more or less while maintaining it is not discriminating. I believe this copying trend has caused more troubles, ours is a religious society, theirs isnt, ours is a diverse society, theirs isnt.
Next Scotland Yard presser at 9:30 GMT (according to BBC).
Hit the nail on the head
It does feel like society is becoming much more you are either hard left or hard right these days which is very worrying. Where is the sensible middle ground.
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It sounds like people (not saying you are) are trying to use this as a way of saying that Khan said it's almost acceptable because it's a major city, when in reality I read it as being literally prepared to deal with the threats, and that it's a reality that has to be dealt with in any major city. If ya know what I mean
Are you familiar with Top Gear? If yes, do you remember the episode in Alabama?
On the other hand you have the Westbro Baptist Church and you would be protected by law in the US.
Can you people not take the religion discussion to another thread
According to some that thread probably should not exist since it often is not very nice towards religion and those who believe in a "god"
Do you realise you've just labelled Al- Bukhari and Ibn Hisham as drivel?
Obviously I have copied and posted it, but it's actually from an ex-Muslim site not an Islamophobic one. I have studied both and am an ex-Muslim myself.
I will make a Muhammed casestudy thread, which will be respectful and focused on the historiography of Islam, when I've finished the job I'm doing.
For fecks sake people, 5 people died less than 24 hours ago, dozens are injured and in hospital and this thread has descended into Islam bashing, left vs right, integration and a whole host of other b0llocks.
Perspective please!
Perspective please!
It's disgusting.
I don't mind a difficult discussion but I feel it somewhat disrepectful to have it in this topic. Absolutely everyone can relate to the pain of those families who will go home tonight and know someone who was there yesterday will never be there again. As a society we must learn to grow past politics and focus on people.
Think people have forgotten that these people are human beings and someone loved them. A lot have become desensitised which is worrying.
British born attacker confirmed by the PM.
That actually does not surprise me at all.
I'm pleased that Farage and his scummy kin don't have more ammunition.
Do you not think it's fair game for religions to be mocked or made light of?
The enlightenment wouldn't have happened if people were afraid to upset religious bodies and figures.
no the false depiction and lack of any context is the drivel. "ex-muslim" or not the historical facts don't support your narrative.
Just think of the Marine A avatar accounts deleting all those drafted tweets about closing the borders this morning.
Hundreds of people took part in the various aspects of dealing with the fallout of yesterday's attack. It would do credit to the government if they gave their thanks to all - and all nationalities.
Interesting reading sammsky1's posts. I've always thought that a man who is capable of ploughing a 20 ton truck into a promenade full of innocent members of the public, for instance, is mentally ill.
Or maybe they are fully dedicated to a cause which has been fabricated by misinterpretation of a holy book?
Or maybe they are fully dedicated to a cause which has been fabricated by misinterpretation of a holy book?
Indeed, as I mentioned in the mcguinness thread, I've been through the aftermath of family member being caught up in a terrorist attack.
Take it from me, you don't give a shiny shite about underlying causes of anything. You just try to deal with the human cost of it all.
When you read through this thread and realise how volatile and stubborn people's comments are on both side the fence (and the caf is generally a level headed place where I'd argue in general we are more measured in the way we think than the wider public) - it does make you worry about the world we live in. Brexit, Trump.. massive indicators that the world is a very divided place right now.
What should be a condolence thread, turns into a place for people to put across their political ideologies and demean one another's way of life or what they believe in, and in the world of politics the same thing happens.. where people jump onto the grief bandwagon and manipulate it for political means.
I think both factors could be relevant. Someone like Dawkins would suggest a mentally ill person wouldn't necessarily commit such acts unless they had been brainwashed or at least influenced with ideas of martyrdom.
I have noted all these regurgitated and predictable inconsistencies. "Mohammed is blah blah" "He didn't exist but he is evil". They are so deranged by ignorance and deep-seated bigotry and or hate that they don't realize they are contradicting themselves. It just shows they have an agenda and are not interested in the facts. They just want to proliferate as much bile as possible. "if he existed then he is was evil, If he is praised then he didn't exist".
Imbeciles.
not sure about what @Randall Flagg thinks but if I may give my opinion. There is a line where you cross "criticism" to out and out hate speech and bigotry. Allot of people use these wolf in sheep's clothing approaches in my opinion to the detriment of free speech.
As for "satire" which is ridiculing and mocking people for their belief that should be discouraged for so many reasons. It's called being civil. We often see that one party is allowed to disparage another party but if there is any civil or peaceful protest then it is seen as extremism.
So it seems he was a radical islamist in any case, someone who was already known. How the feck did he get away with it?
Exactly mate. I also feel the hard left and hard right feed each other and react to each other by becoming more extreme.
So satire should be discouraged because its not civil? You must be a right hoot at parties......
"British born" seems such an odd use of phrasing to me. Is he not just British?
For real. Also, people who are arguing this way can't seem to discern satire from mockery or hate speech. All on the same forum that has a thread mocking Liverpool fans as well as the Trump thread that straight up talk shit about Trump supporters.
In b4 "well they're not the same".
You know that article is from Sept 2016, right?
It seems as if he once got the attention of police but since then hasn't caused any suspicion. If that turns out to be correct, it's unfortunate but will happen again. Unless you're living in a police state, you simply cannot put surveillance on each and every suspicious person for a long or indefinite time.
'It's not civil' sounds like a sneaky way to try and shut opinions that are not liked.
You can be British but not British born. I think the distinction is made due to the sensitivity surrounding immigrants and refugees.
You put it in better words than me
Get away with what?
Driving a car and possessing a knife. Unfortunately that's all it's taken to end lives and cause mass distress. I could walk out of my kitchen right now and do the same. Even people on the strictest of surveillance couldn't be prevented from driving or owning kitchen utensils.
He also died, so he didn't really get away with it, more got to it.
I can understand that, I'm British though not British born. I've just not come across anyone who would say that they are British Born instead of just saying British, that's why it seems odd.
But like you said, it's probably to distinguish immigrant status.
It's usually shorthand for 'British but not as white as Casper the friendly ghost".
That may be the case. Financial issues or bullying may be another case too.
I'm very sure those who commit the atrocities are promised a certain amounts of money to their parents/family.
Also a young person who's been abused because of his religious beliefs(being branded a terrorist etc.) will be easier to convince that they are not accepted.