Gun shots outside Parliament: Police shoot assailant following car attack on Westminster Bridge

Apparently this image led folks to believe him to be a (professing) Muslim...

Which is an interesting sociological question in and of itself

For Christ's sake, are we really going to go down this route? People pretending not to have made a speculatively judgement on account of how unbigoted they are as part of an attempt to seek external validation...it's bizarre.
 
Awful to see photographs of MP Tobias Ellwood dazed with despair and exhaustion. You did your best, Mr Ellwood; all credit to you, sir.
 
You're both talking a lot of sense but there's a unique challenge in facing down a violent ideology which promises martyrdom and rewards in the afterlife to anyone who loses their life fighting what is perceived as a holy war. Obviously it's a perversion of what the religion means to the vast majority of people who share the same faith but the problem is deeper and more complex than disenfranchised people trying to even the playing field. The nature of their ideology means compromise is out of the question. How do you try and reason with that sort of extremism?
But I think we disagree that Islam is unique in this refusal to compromise. It's like the Pope said the other day and I am paraphrasing here; "the concept of conquest is a cornerstone of religion". Religion has always encourages or at least did not have a big problem with the idea of conquering and converting others because "they" were the ones with the right message. I mean the Christian went all over the world doing pretty much the same thing for a very long time. Part of this is that religions came at a time when conquest in general was not the horrible thing it is considered today. It was entirely normal to go out, invade another place, take everything they had and submit them to the conqueror's law. This is why religions can seem indifferent to those things. Extremists choose to take this as a sign that it is encourages, non-extremists desperately point to it being not part of their belief. The problem is therefore, do we have an environment that encourages the rise of extremists? History tells us that being disenfranchised usually does create such environment and said extremists will never be short of material they can interpret in the worse way possible.
 
That says alot about you. Why feel the need to disrespect someone with different beliefs? Absolutely childish.

If that is your position, then don't say a bad word about anyone ever. That politician you think is a prick....please don't 'disrespect' him on account of his followers having a different opinion to you. Right?
 
Okay, to address the point..

What happens to gays and apostates in the Islamic world? I'll give you a clue...it doesn't end well for them. Now if you're a gay apostate, you have no chance.
how many are killed every year? There must be stats somewhere considering you think that it's a noble act in Islam to slaughter these people, the authorities would obviously keep a tally.
 
For Christ's sake, are we really going to go down this route? People pretending not to have made a speculatively judgement on account of how unbigoted they are as part of an attempt to seek external validation...it's bizarre.
Am I supposed to jump to conclusions about this guy too then?
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@MrMarcello or this guy!
 
If that is your position, then don't say a bad word about anyone ever. That politician you think is a prick....please don't 'disrespect' him on account of his followers having a different opinion to you. Right?
There is a difference between what a politician is to me or you and what Muhammad is to a Muslim.
 
Awful to see photographs of MP Tobias Ellwood dazed with despair and exhaustion. You did your best, Mr Ellwood; all credit to you, sir.

Aye fantastic from him, man deserves a lot of praise and all the recognition he gets, along with the authorities in general with their prompt and seemingly effective response.
 
how many are killed every year? There must be stats somewhere considering you think that it's a noble act in Islam to slaughter these people, the authorities would obviously keep a tally.

Funnily enough, open apostasy and open homosexuality are extremely uncommon in countries that have made such acts punishable by death. Ask yourself honestly, what do you think would happen to you if you walked down the street in rural Pakistan or Saudi Arabia wearing a 'there is no God' t shirt and singing a song in the local language about bumming blokes. How many minutes do you think you would last?
 
Funnily enough, apostasy and homosexuality are extremely uncommon in countries that have made such acts punishable by death. Ask yourself honestly, what do you think would happen to you if you walked down the street in rural Pakistan or Saudi Arabia wearing a 'there is no God' t shirt and singing a song in the local language about bumming blokes. How many minutes do you think you would last?
But you wouldn't do that, no-one in their right mind would. It's called being respectful of other cultures.
 
But you wouldn't do that, no-one in their right mind would. It's called being respectful of other cultures.

That's precisely the point. He used the apparent lack of executions for homosexuality/apostasy in the Islamic world as an argument against my case that the Islamic word mandates violence towards these people. The obvious conclusion is that people have to conceal their homosexuality or apostasy on account of the fact that such things are illegal in most Muslim countries.
 
The Koran will probably get banned at some point in the future anyway but as you know that still leaves the oral copy through Hafiz but yeah it will get banned anyway.

The west banning books would be against it's moral fabric. The idea of the Quran being a threat is also off the mark. For one it's not good Jihadi propoganda because while it encourages it, it's not focused on it. Oxbridge have a long history of studying Islam, banning the Quran wouldn't be seen as acceptable. For 2, it's not actually a very good book. It blatantly plagerises other sources to the extent it contradicts itself. It uses different languages because of it's plagerism. It repeats it's stories. It plagerises the incorrect Greek sciencific beliefs of the time.

Very few Muslims bother to read it in a language they understand. The ignorant brainwashed terrorists certainly don't, it's not catchy enough for them.
 
He's brown, so that's proof enough for many.

Probably more to do with his act, the car-ramming thing has been used now a number of times and been explicitly called for by the goons in Raqqa.
 
Are people really going to start arguing that being openly gay or openly committing apostasy in countries like Pakistan will not eventually lead to being the victim of violence or death?

I'm fecking out of here.
 
Are people really going to start arguing that being openly gay or openly committing apostasy in countries like Pakistan will not eventually lead to being the victim of violence or death?

I'm fecking out of here.
A gay student at Rutgers was bullied into suicide a few years ago.

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Good point but when you hear the sound of hooves it's more likely to be horses than zebras. All available evidence points towards this being another Nice/Berlin atrocity. I'd be amazed if it turns out any different.

We used to guess "Nutty" before we guessed ISIS when we heard those hooves.

For me;

Organised plan, carried out with intent by members of a group as part of a sustained attack against a nation or representative body = Terrorism.

One, or a few disparate people committing a crime that shocking = Criminal (Probably Nutty)

The word terrorism is overused. Why is it that;

Disgruntled employee puts anthrax in the mail to his ex co-workers = Criminal
Man poisons batches of baby formula = Criminal
Kid shoots up school = Criminal
DC Sniper(s) = Criminals

We need to focus on any message that causes anyone to commit any kind of crime against a large number of people. But "Muslim Terrorist" is a crock of sh1t and stops any kind of sensible analysis of the actual matter at hand.

We've literally been conditioned to hear zebra's.
 
They wrongly fingered that guy in jail as the perp, as did others.
Oh yeah, I know he was sentenced to 2 years back in January last year. It's confirmed then that he is definitely not out and involved? Hopefully so, as that would be a huge blow for public confidence in the justice/intelligence system.
 
Is there any proof yet that the attacker was a Muslim? If there isn't...why the derailment?

The Deputy Commissioner of the Met, said that they believe they know the attacker's identity. Later in the statement he said that the operating assumption for the motive was that of Islamist terrorism.
 
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Indeed. I wonder if a friendly mod had a quiet word?

Well in fairness I posted something to Eire yesterday and immediately regretted it as I'm sure he has today, happens dun't it.