According to Erik ten Hag.
I’m firmly behind the man, he was my first choice. I just remembered this article though and thought it was too ironic not to share.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/eri...judged-physicality-of-premier-league-29894972
According to Erik ten Hag.
I’m firmly behind the man, he was my first choice. I just remembered this article though and thought it was too ironic not to share.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/eri...judged-physicality-of-premier-league-29894972
Didn't Vidic struggle with the physicality and style for a good 6 months? He turned out alright in the end.What’s ironic about it? Is this a covert Lisandro Martinez thread?
He dealt with Toney’s physicality pretty well. Even Toney said so himself. He’s an aggressive defender
And yet, 3 of our goals were not related to this issueDefinitely ironic! I suppose you don't really understand it until you're immersed in it first-hand.
It's one thing Guardiola and ETH playing the 'better' Premier League clubs in the Champions League...it's another experiencing a bottom-half team with two 6ft 3" CBs and two pure athletic powerhouses in CM spend 90-minutes hoofing the ball into a 6ft+ CF and trying to win set-pieces so they can pile the big lads forward.
Yes, but it wont stop this agenda of repeating his height over and over again..And yet, 3 of our goals were not related to this issue
According to Erik ten Hag.
I’m firmly behind the man, he was my first choice. I just remembered this article though and thought it was too ironic not to share.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/eri...judged-physicality-of-premier-league-29894972
Yes although I still have doubts on Ten Hag, he hasn’t been given a proper go. I’d wait and see what he does next season before deciding.His mistake is not the physicality.........it's misjudging the players he got, and actually seeing in real time how damaged and fragile they are when they up against any sort of pressure.
He gave them a chance, as he has no real choice as we haven't bought anyone really and have let him down.
But the flurry of links since Saturday are pointing to me he learned very quickly most of them are finished
We let go of Pogba, Matic and Cavani. Not saying they were contributing a lot for us but it's just the way we're being run, reactive.
Kolarov at CB didn’t help
Shame he didn't deal with Ben Mee's physicality though.What’s ironic about it? Is this a covert Lisandro Martinez thread?
He dealt with Toney’s physicality pretty well. Even Toney said so himself. He’s an aggressive defender
Yeah, I know, they were going to leave anyway, but it's not like we've not been stuck with (not held on to) players we don't need, just sheer bad luck or bad planning, for once we couldn't be stuck with players we could've done with. That's what I was saying.Their contracts had expired and they wanted to move on to be fair.
He did, people forget Pep signed average players like claudio bravo, angelino, Nolito, Mangala etc. A couple of key points, he quickly realised this and, crucially, was allowed to spend more money to correct this.
Shame he didn't deal with Ben Mee's physicality though.
Yeah, that's the killer. Even a great manager like Pep, at a club set up to perfectly meet his needs, wasted a ton of money on players that weren't good enough. Which makes it even more worrying about the time and money ETH needs to turn things round.
Mind you, he still finished 3rd in that first season. With 78 points and 80 goals. Which would be an incredible achievement for ETH based on what we've seen so far...
And yet, 3 of our goals were not related to this issue
In fairness, Pep's starting point with that squad and the club as a whole is far stronger than what ETH has walked into.
'Physicality' doesn't just mean 'size'. Some of the toughest, most physical opponents have been smaller lads.
However...
Our GK is basically a 'foosball' goalkeeper who only moves sideways and is scared of opponents, the ball, the goalposts, his own shadow etc...
Our CBs are not especially quick and the lad we've just spent £55m on is short even by non-athletic standards. Our LB seemingly doesn't want to sprint. AWB has the dynamism of a jellyfish washed-up on a beach....
Fred is like a little fruit-fly, buzzing around in midfield, getting swatted away by bigger, stronger opponents. DvdB also looks well off-it physically.
Ronaldo is 37. Sancho, Amad and Rashford look, play and behave like children having a go at men's football. Rashford and Sancho seem to be allergic to running/sweat.
Fernandes spends most of the game rolling around on the floor pretending to be hurt.
So yes, I would say physicality, or lack thereof, is definitely a reason we struggle.
We don't need XI 6ft 3" monsters but every player needs to be tough, needs to be durable, needs to have stamina, needs to play with intensity, needs to be brave and needs to sprint.
What I want is, when a loose ball drops in the midfield, it's OUR midfielder winning it. When the ball is cleared, OUR CF fights off the CBs and manages to bring others into play. When our players have the ball, I want to see our wide forwards running relentlessly to create space and when the opposition have the ball I want to see them running relentlessly to win it back.
Currently, we don't win 50:50s....some of them don't even win 60:40s or 70:30s. That's a major problem
That sort of goes against what you said before though - which was the insinuation that Brentford would just bypass our midfielders and punt it long to taller players to win balls:'Physicality' doesn't just mean 'size'. Some of the toughest, most physical opponents have been smaller lads.
However...
Our GK is basically a 'foosball' goalkeeper who only moves sideways and is scared of opponents, the ball, the goalposts, his own shadow etc...
Our CBs are not especially quick and the lad we've just spent £55m on is short even by non-athletic standards. Our LB seemingly doesn't want to sprint. AWB has the dynamism of a jellyfish washed-up on a beach....
Fred is like a little fruit-fly, buzzing around in midfield, getting swatted away by bigger, stronger opponents. DvdB also looks well off-it physically.
Ronaldo is 37. Sancho, Amad and Rashford look, play and behave like children having a go at men's football. Rashford and Sancho seem to be allergic to running/sweat.
Fernandes spends most of the game rolling around on the floor pretending to be hurt.
So yes, I would say physicality, or lack thereof, is definitely a reason we struggle.
We don't need XI 6ft 3" monsters but every player needs to be tough, needs to be durable, needs to have stamina, needs to play with intensity, needs to be brave and needs to sprint.
What I want is, when a loose ball drops in the midfield, it's OUR midfielder winning it. When the ball is cleared, OUR CF fights off the CBs and manages to bring others into play. When our players have the ball, I want to see our wide forwards running relentlessly to create space and when the opposition have the ball I want to see them running relentlessly to win it back. I want to see our FBs hurtling past the wingers like trains at every opportunity and then sprinting back into position like they're competing in the 100ms
Currently, we don't win 50:50s....some of them don't even win 60:40s or 70:30s. We amble about the pitch looking slightly lost at times. That's a major problem
That sort of goes against what you said before though - which was the insinuation that Brentford would just bypass our midfielders and punt it long to taller players to win balls:
"..it's another experiencing a bottom-half team with two 6ft 3" CBs and two pure athletic powerhouses in CM spend 90-minutes hoofing the ball into a 6ft+ CF and trying to win set-pieces so they can pile the big lads forward."
^ This is why I said that 3 of the goals weren't related to this.
I this this is more a dig at the idea we can play Eriksen - Fred midfield.What’s ironic about it? Is this a covert Lisandro Martinez thread?
He dealt with Toney’s physicality pretty well. Even Toney said so himself. He’s an aggressive defender
Yup, enough for the manager to haul him off at half time though eh?!Oh wow one instance, in which he was off balance. I guess the supposed physical specimen CBs of the premier league never had that happen to them. Let’s make a thread about how their managers underestimated the physicality of the-
this is dumb
I don't think he's too small. Coped fine when targeted with long balls from Brentford.It wasn't meant as I deep-dive into the nature of the physicality of the Premier League, it was just a throwaway comment about one example of how the Premier League might differ from La Liga, for example.
I think people just make the assumption now people are talking about Martinez. Personally, I do think Martinez is too small but he's far from being our only 'physical' problem...we have many!
Oh wow one instance, in which he was off balance. I guess the supposed physical specimen CBs of the premier league never had that happen to them. Let’s make a thread about how their managers underestimated the physicality of the-
this is dumb
According to Erik ten Hag.
I’m firmly behind the man, he was my first choice. I just remembered this article though and thought it was too ironic not to share.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/eri...judged-physicality-of-premier-league-29894972
He did, people forget Pep signed average players like claudio bravo, angelino, Nolito, Mangala etc. A couple of key points, he quickly realised this and, crucially, was allowed to spend more money to correct this.
According to Erik ten Hag.
I’m firmly behind the man, he was my first choice. I just remembered this article though and thought it was too ironic not to share.
https://onefootball.com/en/news/eri...judged-physicality-of-premier-league-29894972
You short or something? Why so touchy?
A small defender getting outmuscled in one of his first games is obviously discussion worthy. Odd reaction.
What’s ironic about it? Is this a covert Lisandro Martinez thread?
He dealt with Toney’s physicality pretty well. Even Toney said so himself. He’s an aggressive defender
What I want is, when a loose ball drops in the midfield, it's OUR midfielder winning it. When the ball is cleared, OUR CF fights off the CBs and manages to bring others into play. When our players have the ball, I want to see our wide forwards running relentlessly to create space and when the opposition have the ball I want to see them running relentlessly to win it back. I want to see our FBs hurtling past the wingers like trains at every opportunity and then sprinting back into position like they're competing in the 100ms
