Griezmann is not a 10, he has never been a 10, he is an inside forward and a second striker.
Griezmann or Aubameyang?
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Griezmann is not a 10, he has never been a 10, he is an inside forward and a second striker.
Yes you and 3 other posters is the world. Pace is now defined as having excellent technique of movement whatever that is, sounds like something Brendan Rodgers would say.
If he plays as an inside forward why does he have such a few amount of successful dribbles and chances created? If he plays as a second striker why does he has so few assists? Doubt you could find another player in any of the top sides around Europe who offer less than him in these areas.
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1. Griezmann has no pace at all.
2. He is a no.10 playmaker.
Are you sure you're talking about Griezmann? Maybe you got him mixed up with someone else? Are you thinking of Banega? He plays for Sevilla.
I quoted what you agreed with "excellent technique of movement". Straight from the David Brent school of football wisdom.
Yeah good luck convincing people Griezmann has no pace and is a no.10 . How's that working for you so far?
Griezmann is a 10 because he occupies the same position as a 10, central and behind a striker, Athletico don't play with a 2 striker system so calling him a 2nd striker is really just a reflection on his abilties (or lack of) since he's brings very little to the table in a creative sense, his assists/key passes and chances created numbers all pale in comparison to all the other top player in europe who play in the same position.
You've resorted to calling him a "2nd striker" because his skillset is his movement/finishing around the box, not speed and creativity which is what's required for this United side.
As for convincing people I couldn't care less if you change your opinion or not since at this point you're basically a religious zealot arguing against science.
This obsession with pace is stupid really. I'd rather have an intelligent player making good runs than a limited speed demon. The way we play, Griezman would suit us much more than Aubameyang.
Griezmann has no pace 
Both and Lukaku
Pace is useless against teams who sit deep with ten men behind the ball anyway.
Because he is a goalscorer, not a goal creator. Also his chances created stat is respectable with 27 chances, Thomas Muller has 32 and Luis Suarez has 18.
after yesterday's game,
there's more than enough space for both.
there's more than enough space for both.
tbh i think he could occupy the false rw role for us. He already has a deadly left foot and loves to cut inside but still has the pace to beat his man and put in a good cross. I also see him as much of an inside forward.
Of course he could, that's his initial position left or right winger/inside forward.
I'd hope hed still be given a freedom to roam like mata was when we played that 433 at the end of last season.
I really hope united are looking at this guy come summer.
Those are big words mate.
So im a religious zealot because i don't subscribe to your views that -
1. Griezmann has NO pace
2. He is a no.10 playmaker
Don't you think you're being a little harsh on me?
Oh and Atletico absolutely do play with 2 strikers. Simeone says Griezmann is a second striker. Straight from the horses's mouth.
There is no in between with pace, you have it or you don't. If you think that Griezmann has pace then you would have to say players like Rooney do too. The difference between Bale/Sanchez/Robben is negligible because all 3 have the pace to go blitz past defenders as well as challenge the space in behind the defense, none of which Griezmann does.
I never called him a playmaker, once again you continue to strawman. He plays behind a central striker, a simple look at his heat/touch map after every game shows the areas he spends the most time. Anyway it's not particularly relevant since even if he plays as a 2nd striker it doesn't do anything to change the fact that he can't beat players or offer penetration which are the precise qualities this side needs, infact if you have him as a 2nd striker some of his stats become even more alarming.
Not really. Griezmann is clearly faster than Rooney. Bale is also faster than Sanchez or Robben. Bale can leave players for dead with his pace alone. With players like Sanchez/Suarez/Robben its the combination of pace and dribbling skills. They can't leave a defender like Bellerin for dead just on their pace alone.
And Griezmann runs behind the defense ALL the time. Did you watch the game yesterday? Did you see the first chance Atletico created? Simeone says that is one of the main reasons why he plays Griezmann as a second striker(yes he calls him a striker). He's good at running at the end of through balls and one twos.
Come on now. Lets keep it simple. Every football fan knows what a no.10 means. Its not rocket science.
It is actually quite simple. Griezmann is the best attacking player and main-man in one of the best teams out there. He is superb.
Robben and Sanchez can leave defenders behind with their pace alone, Robben blitzed Sergio Ramos for pace who is one of the quickest and most athletic CB's in football at the world cup despite starting 3 yards behind him. There's literally countless examples of him tearing teams apart with pace. And as I said in that post (which you convieniently ignore) the difference is negligible and all that matter's is the ability to go past players and make the runs in behind. Players who can do both have pace, players like Griezmann who do neither don't.
I am keeping it simple, your inability to comprehend basic football knowledge is your problem. Muller and David Silva have both played in the 10 position but both perform in completely separate ways, one is a playmaker the other is a specialist in the final 3rd. They have completely different skillsets despite being used in the same area. You only need to look at Griezmann's touch/heat maps to see the areas he spends most time in, or Athletico's shape without the ball. Again calling him a 2nd striker is just a reflection of his abilities, he doesn't get involved in much of the creative aspect because he's not particularly good at it.
This United side needs speed and creativity, Griezmann offers neither. He may be a better footballer than some of the names we're regularly linked with and would have a lot of value to a side which already has pace/quality forward but he lacks the assets we badly miss.
What is Griezmann actually good at in your opinion?
Robben can't burn every defender for pace unless he's a ferrari. Impossible. Its his ability to dribble combined with his pace that makes him so good. And Griezmann makes run in behind all the time as i said. Don't believe me then go to the La Liga thread and ask the regular viewers.
Apparently my inability to comprehend basic football knowledge like this gem - 'Griezmann has no pace and is a no.10' is my problem. And it is tbf. You do seem to be open to the idea that Griezmann is not a no.10 so i won't push you on that. But come on, Griezmann doesn't make runs behind? Really?
He is a very hard worker defensively, one of the best defensive forward players around in intelligence and discipline. Simeone has him well drilled so he's in no way a luxury player. He out performs the majority of comparitive players when you look at tackles/interceptions/fouls etc His strength attacking wise is his ability in and around the box. His movement is superb and his finishing is excellent, very similar to Muller in that respect.
Not sure how many times I need to define what pace is before you get it. You and I have very different standards for what pace is so if you want to qualify someone like Griezmann as having pace then go ahead but then you have to say players like Rooney in that list since they perform on the same level as him across most of the metrics used to gauge pace or the ability to go past a player.
Look at the best players around Europe who unquestionably have pace/ability to beat players.
Messi: Dribbles per game: 4.8 Fouled: 3.1 Dispossessed: 2.6
Hazard Dribbles per game: 3.1 Fouled 3.1 Dispossessed: 2.3
Sanchez Dribbles per game: 2.1 Fouled 2.4 Dispossessed 2.7 (His DPG is much higher since joining Arsenal, above 3 on average but the total is kept down due to his days playing as a makeshift striker for Barca)
Neymar: Dribbles per game 3.6 Fouled 3.3 Dispossessed 1.9
Robben: Dribbles per game 3.1 Fouled 1.7 Dispossessed 1.5
Ronaldo: Dribbles per game 2.1 Fouled 2.2 Dispossessed 1.8
Let's compare those to Griezmann.
Griezmann: Dribbles per game: 0.8 Fouled 1 Dispossessed 1.1 (He looks more at home alongside Rooney)
Rooney: Dribbles per game: 1 Fouled 0.9 Dispossessed 2.2
Players like Messi/Neymar/Hazard etc only lose the ball more than twice as much as Griezmann because they attempt to go past players, this is also reflected in how often they all get fouled. Griezmann and Rooney are almost identical is these aspects but Rooney being dispossessed that often highlights what plenty of United fans have said for years about his touch/decline.
Griezmann.
It doesn't sound like you are talking about pace. Iniesta averages 1.6 dribbles per game(twice as much as Griezmann), doesn't mean he's faster than Griezmann. That is not how people define pace. Cazorla(2.6) is NOT faster than Navas(1.5). It also does not mean Greizmann cannot make runs behind.
I specifically said pace/ability to beat players, not just pace. Iniesta doesn't have much pace but his dribbling ability is incredible so he offers plenty of penetration. His dribbling average is 2.2 not 1.6 so he offers almost 3x what Griezmann does which again highlights how limited Griezmann is. Dribbles per game stat is a mixture of pace/ability to beat someone which is why Messi ranks as #1. Bale would destroy Messi in a flat race but he's not close in in the other categories. Griezmann being on the same level as Rooney/Mata across the board should be all the evidence you need to know that's the last thing our attacking line up needs.
Griezmann is a limited player?
You are way too reliant on stats mate. It's not Griezmann's role to playmake and to consistently beat a man, he is Atletico's best finisher at the moment and is their main 'poacher'. He is on the end of their chances more often than the likes of Jackson, Carrasco, Torres or Vietto. Therefore his playmaking stats will be not as good as others simply because it hasn't been his role this season.If you said pace and ability to beat players then fine. Your first post just said 'no pace'. But no problem now i understand.
Griezmann is a limited player?
Maybe you should spend 5 minutes and read the last 2 pages of this thread. Posters have claimed on numerous ocassions he has pace/creativity which I disagree with, I have argued that his main skill set is around the 18 yard box so we're in agreement. LVG has said this current United team need's speed/creativity which is why (If I had to choose between him or Mane/Auba) I'm against the signing of Griezmann.
He also has creativity and enough pace to make effective runs or to beat players. He already showed that at Sociedad. It just so happens that Simeone wants Griezmann to be mainly involved around the 18 yard box because he's their best goalscorer.
His number of Assists/Key passes/Dribbles were on a similar level at Sociedad, miles behind the best creative players he's been compared to as possible signings. His movement is intelligent and effective but he doesn't beat players which I've already elaborated on at length.
Griezmann's goal was much more about pace than that goal.
Which is more likely? Griezmann doesn't have much pace/ability to beat players which, similar to Rooney is reflected across the board in all his stats from multiple seasons and that goal (like Rooney's) is an outlier or, he does in fact have pace/ability to go past players regularly but chooses not too because..................
You're talking as if pace and dribbling are the same thing.
Walcott's dribbling stats are in line with Griezmann's and Rooney's. I think we can all agree Walcott has pace.
It really is as simple as that. Plus he offers a bigger possibility of playing different tactics.