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bosnian_red said:
Yeah. For his age he really hasn't achieved a lot. He didn't stand out much in the championship like someone like even Buendia did for example. His first season in the prem was decent but not much more. He had an excellent first half of the season but then got injured for much of the 2nd half.

He's a creative player with excellent close control and wins loads of fouls, sure, but he's literally not all that different to Isco (only with a really bad haircut). Isco was fantastic for a couple of seasons sure, but he's not some generational talent - neither is grealish. A very good talent but not an elite one like Sancho has shown since 18.
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He didn't? I didn't watch the Championship so your statement can very well be true, but I remember before the first game of the season after Villa had just gone up, that the commentator (who is an avid Norwich fan) kept raving about Grealish saying stuff like he might be the best player in Championship history (or something similar). Thought it was a bit annoying at first, but Grealish was unplayable that day when Villa shocked Spurs.

Whilst I do agree that he hasn't showed much until the last couple of seasons, I think you also have to bear in mind that players have different trajectories. Sancho's, Mbappé's and Haaland's numbers are insane for their age, but they could also fizzle out into nothing when hitting 25-26 (though I really much doubt that). As for Grealish, I think he has really benefitted from spending his early professional years improving his physique in the Championship. I remember when he first broke through and people were saying he was a huge talent. All I saw was a skinny lad trying to use the same playing style he got now, but he mostly got bullied off the ball which looked a bit comical at times, which is in contrast to those previously mentioned. Now most opposition players can't handle him. Wonder how he would have been viewed if Spurs got their hands on him for £20-25m back when he was in the Championship.

I think people here get too hung up on the one poster's quite frankly OTT claim of him being a "generational talent" and "new Ronaldinho" and this has soured the debate a bit.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Ronaldo, Rooney, Messi, Haaland, Mbappe.

A talent that comes around once or twice in a generation. It’s nothing like the iffy World Class bracket in which everyone has their own definition.

Of course Jack is a cracking player and could be incredible for City, but calling a 26 yr old Aston Villa player a generational talent is ridiculous.
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I don't really care about age or the team he plays for, a lot of factors come into play there.

What I know is he is uniquely talented and the type of player England doesn't produce a lot, I hope I don't have to see him in a City shirt.
 
snk123 said:
Well i guess there are different meanings to this then. For me, all world class players are generational talents.
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There’s no “for me”, you’ve simply misunderstood the meaning.
You’ve got your knickers in a twist because you’ve misunderstood the meaning. People saying he’s not a generational talent absolutely are not saying that he doesn’t have the talent to be World Class at a top club.
 
Will he improve City all that much? Who does he replace? Foden? I doubt it. Sterling? Possibly, but take away Sterling’s pace, and that is one slow attack.

Is he better than Silva? Maybe, but by how much? I think a striker would benefit them more.
He’s a great player, but they have Bernardo Silva, Sterling, KDB and Foden who already occupies his preferred positions.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
There’s no “for me”, you’ve simply misunderstood the meaning.
You’ve got your knickers in a twist because you’ve misunderstood the meaning. People saying he’s not a generational talent absolutely are not saying that he doesn’t have the talent to be World Class at a top club.
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You’re reading a different thread then. There’s plenty saying stuff like “he can’t even get in the national side” and that he’s not as good.

By your definition, generational talent can still have different meanings depending on the subset. Is Riyadh Mahrez a generational talent in world football? No. Is he a generational talent for Algeria? Yes!

Is generational talent based on ability or what you end up doing in football? Haaland is not a generational talent yet because he has not achieved much.

Iniesta is considered a generational talent because he won so much. If only ability is the criteria then Pogba is also a generational talent.

This is where there is confusion. If ability is the criteria then people might call Grealish a generational talent for England as well because his close control, etc. is unseen in an English player.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Would people have cared about a 21 year old that has 40 goals in 43 Bundesliga matches and 12 goals in 10 Champions League games?

Safe to say they would.
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There were more great goalscorers around back then, I don't see him getting the same attention going on now.
 
snk123 said:
You’re reading a different thread then. There’s plenty saying stuff like “he can’t even get in the national side” and that he’s not as good.

By your definition, generational talent can still have different meanings depending on the subset. Is Riyadh Mahrez a generational talent in world football? No. Is he a generational talent for Algeria? Yes!

Is generational talent based on ability or what you end up doing in football? Haaland is not a generational talent yet because he has not achieved much.

Iniesta is considered a generational talent because he won so much. If only ability is the criteria then Pogba is also a generational talent.

This is where there is confusion. If ability is the criteria then people might call Grealish a generational talent for England as well because his close control, etc. is unseen in an English player.
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I just hate players like Pogba. The talent he has he should be a talisman for manutd. He didn't deserve to be in there when talks like generational talents come around.

Every body knows the talent he got. But not give his 100% when wear the shirt of the team feeds you week in week out what kind of generational talent he is.
 
Rossa said:
Will he improve City all that much? Who does he replace? Foden? I doubt it. Sterling? Possibly, but take away Sterling’s pace, and that is one slow attack.

Is he better than Silva? Maybe, but by how much? I think a striker would benefit them more.
He’s a great player, but they have Bernardo Silva, Sterling, KDB and Foden who already occupies his preferred positions.
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One brilliant aspect about Pep we should grant is that he tweaks his system to best suit not only the talent but the team.

For example what he did with Cancelo as a midfield/RB hybrid, or what he did with Gundagon in absence of a 9. He will almost certainly integrate Grealish in a manner that's lethal alongside KDB and Foden. I think Sterling may be dispensable at the right price, but him and Mahrez will also be used for certain oppositions.
 
Idxomer said:
There were more great goalscorers around back then, I don't see him getting the same attention going on now.
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So why are Messi, Ronaldo and Haaland breaking all the scoring records now? something doesn't add up here

With the defending in the 90/00's Haaland would have scored 70 a season :lol:
 
He’s not achieved anything, he plays for Aston Villa who he has a loyalty too but yet everyone in England felt he was our messiah at the euros even if he didn’t get the minutes.

It’s obvious he an unreal player and if he goes to city everyone will see. I actually have a feeling he’ll stay at Villa if they start seriously investing.
 
It’s 50/50 he join City. Villa will never accept a price <£90m. Grealish is a great player who will improve City.

Anyway… I think Sancho is a better player and exactly what United needed. And we got him for £73m!!!

It’s a fair chance City signs both Grealish and Kane for approx £250m. I hope they do, because then people will stop complaining about our spending. It will also justify our Haaland signing next year.:D
 
Polar said:
It’s 50/50 he join City. Villa will never accept a price <£90m. Grealish is a great player who will improve City.

Anyway… I think Sancho is a better player and exactly what United needed. And we got him for £73m!!!

It’s a fair chance City signs both Grealish and Kane for approx £250m. I hope they do, because then people will stop complaining about our spending. It will also justify our Haaland signing next year.:D
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feck me I hope City never buy them two, regardless of what people say about our spending. What an odd reason to want our rivals to buy top talent!
 
City will sign him for ‘45 million on 200k’ or something, with quadruple those figures being paid to him but somehow going under the radar. Plastic, sports washing, murdering, cheating, joke of a ‘football club’
 
Rajiztar said:
I just hate players like Pogba. The talent he has he should be a talisman for manutd. He didn't deserve to be in there when talks like generational talents come around.

Every body knows the talent he got. But not give his 100% when wear the shirt of the team feeds you week in week out what kind of generational talent he is.
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@Rozay @Jeppers7
 
Some of you need to calm down, the guy is not a generational talent ffs.
The allure of Grealish has some of you hypnotised, and I get it, the guy oozes sex appeal so i'm not surprised to see so many of you caught up in his spell, but relax a bit - go outside and touch some grass.
 
VP89 said:
feck me I hope City never buy them two, regardless of what people say about our spending. What an odd reason to want our rivals to buy top talent!
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Sancho is better than Grealish, so I don’t care. I either don’t care if they spend £150m on a player with loose ankles :lol:

So bottom line is we have the opportunity to reinforce more for less money than City, and that’s what really matters:)
 
Polar said:
Sancho is better than Grealish, so I don’t care. I either don’t care if they spend £150m on a player with loose ankles :lol:

So bottom line is we have the opportunity to reinforce more for less money than City, and that’s what really matters:)
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I don't agree sancho is better but we can park that. You probably want to look at how many games Kane has actually missed in the past couple seasons before mugging off his injury record, by the way.
 
Adam-Utd said:
So why are Messi, Ronaldo and Haaland breaking all the scoring records now? something doesn't add up here

With the defending in the 90/00's Haaland would have scored 70 a season :lol:
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion but ok.
 
VP89 said:
feck me I hope City never buy them two, regardless of what people say about our spending. What an odd reason to want our rivals to buy top talent!
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Seriously like I don't get some people, they speak as though we don't have to compete with the same City. While I understand the lets focus on ourselves and what we can control thing, I still maintain the position that if Pogba where to leave the club then we definitely should be looking to sign Grealish to fill that void, it just so happens to have the added advantage of stoping our strongest rivals from strengthening too. Am not going to advocate for us paying ridiculous money on Kane just because we want to stop City from getting him but Grealish absolutely can fill a void in our squad if Pogba where to leave.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Name some names with equivalent stats at the same age?
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That's not my point, the alternatives to Haaland right now are much weaker than him. He wouldn't have the same advantage 20 years ago, I also think his numbers would suffer in the previous eras.

Back then you had more potentially great strikers available, the attention was divided between them.
 
Even if Pogba leaves, it’s important we prioritise another type of midfielder before Grealish. But I agree Grealish is a great replacement for Pogba and our second midfield priority.

…. but It’s very very unlikely we buy two quality midfielders in 2021. So I don’t think we should dwell to much about Grealish now. Hope he stays in Villa. If City buy him, I hope they spend as much money as possible.
 
Rossa said:
Will he improve City all that much? Who does he replace? Foden? I doubt it. Sterling? Possibly, but take away Sterling’s pace, and that is one slow attack.

Is he better than Silva? Maybe, but by how much? I think a striker would benefit them more.
He’s a great player, but they have Bernardo Silva, Sterling, KDB and Foden who already occupies his preferred positions.
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I think he's better than Bernardo and if Sterling doesn't improve he could be out next summer. Anyway, in my opinion every big team has to make 1-2 changes in midfield/attack every summer. When you don't or just sign someone for 'squad depth' you will stand still.
 
Polar said:
Even if Pogba leaves, it’s important we prioritise another type of midfielder before Grealish. But I agree Grealish is a great replacement for Pogba and our second midfield priority.

…. but It’s very very unlikely we buy two quality midfielders in 2021. So I don’t think we should dwell to much about Grealish now. Hope he stays in Villa. If City buy him, I hope they spend as much money as possible.
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Yeah that's true, which is why I am hoping Pogba does stay, then I don't think we need Grealish. Although I would still hope he stays at Villa rather than join City.
 
Anyway, I think Villa will accept £80-85m plus few millions in add-ons, that's Buendia+Bailey+another player or two so I think both clubs will be happy.
 
Idxomer said:
Not sure how you came to that conclusion but ok.
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Defending back then was awful. You only have to watch videos of how easy it was for teams to waltz through and score with all the time and space they needed.

Teams are WAY more structured now.
 
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