Maybe the education is just better in those countries? In England it just seems to be "get your badges and then coach", there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of process to it. Maybe playing in those other leagues makes you better at reading the game also? They are more tactical and slower, the PL is more athletic and physical.
Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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Can we also stop pretending like firing Tuchel was the worst decision ever... fresh off a CL win with a great squad he finishes nearly 20 points off the top, trophyless, and begins the new season with his pants down before the coup de grace by Boehly.
If anything the issue was with hiring Potter (again, hindsight).
If anything the issue was with hiring Potter (again, hindsight).
Thank feck we’re seemingly going nowhere near Poch.
He didn't have to take the Chelsea job! He wasn't out of work and struggling to make ends meet. He could have stayed at Brighton until the end of the season and ultimately got the Tottenham job, or another job and given himself a pre season at the very least.
He might have been shit at Tottenham, but at least they would have given him more time than Chelsea, maybe that's genuinely what he needed to get his feet under the table and adapt.
Absolutely no one at Spurs expects a trophy. They WANT a trophy, but they don't expect it. They would prefer regular CL football first I bet.
I'm not saying anyone has to start at the lower leagues, I'm saying you can't jump from one set of expectations to another set of expectations overnight when you've never had to manage under those expectations before. Potter has never made a club 'his own' in the way that other big managers have, and shown they can create those expectations even at lower level clubs or clubs that shouldn't be winning stuff but are. There was no evidence to suggest Potter was ready or equipped for this job.
You really don't take "top opportunities" when they come up, you don't gamble with your career like that. If you're good enough, you will get the opportunities under a circumstance that isn't "well everyone else is unavailable right now so do you fancy it?". It never, ever works out, in most fields, not just football. Potter would have got this offer in the next season or two, why do you think it was imperative to take this job now? Because top jobs don't come up often? Come on, the top 4 (with the current exception of City and Liverpool) usually have a job opening every 2 years. Now Newcastle are in that mix too.
Jose is a multiple Premier League and Champions League winner. He didn't get multiple jobs in the PL because he spent 7 months at Chelsea where they were totally shit and he looked like a rabbit in headlights.
You want more of the same? Pochettino or Nagelsmann feels like a Potter-esque appointment.
What?! Do you actually mean that you want EtH sacked?
Poch would probably turn you down anyways as he's waiting for the Madrid job. Nagy is just a slightly more charismatic Potter. Will that be enough to get a tune? Guess we'll see
Slightly unfair, on that score at least. Anyone who'd watched Chris Hughton's Brighton and then Potter's Brighton (particularly 12 months + after he took over) , including the sort of players being used along with the style, might argue rather differently...
If he said this, Jesus
Did this rile fans up? I'm still recovering from the beatdown I received on here a few weeks ago...
You did not get it. So I'll spell it out for you.What
There are hardly any foreign coaches in the US in NFL, NBA, MLB etc.
Yeah, but that should be very strange to your average american owner. In the US there is a clear or more obvious hierarchy between the owner and the manager/coach.
You definitely have @crossy1686 beat on the cliche front because what the feck are you talking about?
After he'd already spent a fortune on new players before switching managers. Even if he was going to switch Tuchel for Potter it should have been done while he still had money to invest. Bringing in players like Aubameyang solely at the behest of Tuchel before then immediately firing Tuchel are clear signs of incompetence. Sounds more like people who did try to justify the decision at the time (the minority) trying not to admit it was the wrong decision.
Think that's more because people outside of US don't care about American sports. As much as I think Boehly is hilarious, even that theory is too wild. Plus he's not some random yank, he says he's been a Chelsea fan his whole life, lived in London, etc
Because there are no German coaches in the NFL. That's his entire "argument "
You definitely have @crossy1686 beat on the cliche front because what the feck are you talking about?
Not when Tuchel, without the credit of recent good performances, decided to act bitchy and refuse to work with Boehly and the team (according to reports).
Again, it's not like Tuchel did wonders following the CL. Mediocre for a manager who many on here said was Klopp and Pep's equal...
1. It was not trophyless.
2. Plus he guided the team to 2 domestic finals. A mere 2 penalty shootouts away from finishing the season with 4 trophies.
3. Any manager of a top side who has a rolling injury list of between 6 and 12 senior players for solid 18 months would have struggled.
I would give my left nut to have him back.
Finished 3rd in the league the following season without a proper striker. Even his poor start to the season saw him win 3 of his 6 opening league games and draw 1 against Spurs. His win % for Chelsea was 60% while Potter's is 38.7%. It was pretty clearly a horrendous decision most likely made by someone who wasn't used to dealing with someone so (rightly) confident in his abilities that he would tell things how they are rather than bs'ing about everything being fine or being ok about the club splashing crazy money on big names without any strategy for how they fit into a functioning system.
Nagelsmann will flop there too. Would be another awful choice.
Zidane or Enrique.
Zidane or Enrique.
Could go from being in a progressive team, to moving to what is a regular top 4-challenging club and taking them outside the top 10, to potentially joining a relegation battler in Leicster. What a rollercoaster of a season for the guy
He dealt with an unprecented political situation, a ridiculous injury/Covid list and having to juggle 5 tournaments, one of which in a different continent.
I'm surprised how long Zidane hasn't been in a job for. There have been quite a few vacancies at big clubs since he left Madrid, so not sure what he is waiting for.
Enrique is a good shout
I wouldn't mind him at Leicester. Chelsea was a bridge too far but I think that could do a good job with us.
All Premier League managers are.He's going to be loaded
Zidane was waiting for the French national team, then Deschamps didn't step down after the World Cup. He will probably take a club job for the next season.
Naigelsman will be next Chelsea Manager, they will get him before spurs.
Excluding the CWC of course, my bad.
Klopp won those 2 same trophies, got to the final, was within a point of winning the league, and still was ripped on here. Why is Tuchel getting so much sympathy?
Chelsea managers don't get to ride mitigating excuses. Not once have i said Potter didn't deserved the sack. Tuchel failed to perform after the CL and also deserved the sack, by the standards Chelsea had set in the past. He's definitely better than Potter.
That comes with the job, doesn't it? Is Chelsea a top club or not?
His position prior to the UK performing eminent domain on Chelsea was already shaky. His bad form and intransigence sealed the coffin.
He bought Lukaku.
3 out of 6 league games. Outstanding stuff really. 60%.
Truth is that Tuchel has been dismissed from every club he's been at for being difficult to work with, once results no longer were great. Do all of those clubs' managements fit within your ridiculous profile? Or do we just go for the common factor in 3 dismissals?
Back to Potter:
Millions of pounds richer. Will walk back into any club below the top 6. With a repeat of his heroics in Brighton, or simply a good job, he'll get another shot eventually.
Millions of pounds richer. Will walk back into any club below the top 6. With a repeat of his heroics in Brighton, or simply a good job, he'll get another shot eventually.
Potter should go to Spurs in my opinion. Seems like a suitable destination
I would love to see him at Leicester !!
Same reason why some young women date/marry ugly older guys who happen to be very wealthy.
Klopp faced only 1 of those issues in 20/21 and Liverpool instantly fell to a 60s points team, look at how you guys are suddenly struggling to string two wins together with the fixtures piling up.
Ofcourse to some degree you face adversity but what he had last season was unprecedented.
Chelsea throw money at everything and they have typically won things. It is easy to see why players go to them, especially as they also seem to give players a lot of power.
The bigger question in world football is why people go to PSG. They don't win anything except for farmers league trophies year on year, whilst trying to do a Chelsea. Potter is just one of many at Chelsea, the fascination of teams like PSG, are a much bigger conundrum.
Sacked just when Ngolo coming back couldve helped him.
But tbf he has not helped himself with some terrible line ups. Chelsea going for Nagelsman then? Poch could be an option.
But tbf he has not helped himself with some terrible line ups. Chelsea going for Nagelsman then? Poch could be an option.
It’s irrelevant if it’s in one lump sum tbh. 50m is 50m whether paid out immediately or over several years. It’s still an extra 44m paid out for someone no longer in your employ. Either way, it’s all hypothetical. I think it’s likely Potter will end up getting something like 15-20m compensation in total as he’ll find a new job and a deal will be reached. I imagine if Chelsea paid him the full value of his contract, they could also demand he not work for anyone else for the next 4.5 years, which he won’t want.
Regardless, none of us have the facts, so we are all just speculating. The only thing that is clear is that this has been utterly shambolic from Chelsea. Boehly fired Tuchel, brought in a young “long term” manager. Signed 600m worth of players, without any discernible strategy. All while saying this was part of a long term project which won’t be judged on short term results. Then sacked said manager because the short term results were shit in this bloated, unbalanced, hastily and unstrategically built squad, eating the massive (20m) compensation they paid to sign him in the first place, and presumably being hit with an equally massive compensation bill. That’s before we get into the compensation bill for all the support staff that came with him.
Total and utter shambles. Boehly is an embarrassment.
Go on and tell us what's the ideal path for managers.
Good that he got sacked, hopefully he won't go to Spurs. He should go to some midtable club, maybe West Ham or Leicester.