I think only one of the clubs has a single owner. That is Abramovich.
Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Roman is not giving up his money laundering machine.
I don't buy that. Woodward knew that he had zero knowledge in football and will be relying on an inexperienced manager in his first year of his tenure. The best thing he could do was to surround himself with experience who could guide him in the eventuality that things might fail. Yet he failed on doing that. Throughout the years everyone was saying that we are overspending in terms of fees and salaries. Instead of bringing in an experienced football person alongside him he brought the likes of Judge and PR spin doctor Ashton. In the end the end result is terrifying. Over 900m wasted, the second highest salary bill in football, so little success to match, an OT that needs some serious TLC, fans storming Carrington and our reputation is in tatters. Throughout my decades of supporting the club I've never seen United fans as angry and as united as they are now. That all happened under his watch.
So hindsight has nothing to do with this. This disaster was set to happen.
To be fair, I could make that logo in 45 seconds in Illustrator. It's a very bad logo.
But: According to Perez they have been working on this for 3 years. Thats a lot of subterfuge
Maldini was one of the finest CB Italy and Milan had ever had. He's basically AC Milan's version of Gary Neville with around 10 times more football talent (make it 100 times)
Ed Woodward is a banker who previously worked at JP Morgan. JP Morgan were the financiers behind the SL. Did you spot the difference here?
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Was he one of the imposters that went to La Liga HQ to pay Herrera transfer release clause?
That's the trouble of doing ten things at once.
as if! It was all Woodward’s idea.
Let me guess the narrative in the next couple weeks will be it was Uniteds idea and we should be punished worse than everyone else.
There are the both rumours, his friends say this
Fake news
Lovely bit of spin by Team Woodward. What a cnut.
You couldn't help yourself.
Is it true the new DOF we appointed is leaving now too?
You couldn't help yourself.
Its the truth. Maldini is homegrown talent just as Gaz is. His family has far more history at Milan then Gaz has at United (there had been 3 generations of Maldini in Milan Cesare, Paolo and Daniel, they basically covered all the roles from manager (Cesare), assistant manager (Cesare), players, captain, director etc) and talent wise, he was on a different planet to Gaz. It's really like comparing Rio to Smalling. Basically Paolo is for Milan what Gaz probably wants/wanted to be at United.
Weren't some of the other clubs saying Woodward was one of the masterminds and that he had far more tricks up his sleeve yet to come as well.
Where did you see that?
Not happy about the events this week but glad that he's moving on.
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That wasn't Woodward's job but rather the owners and David Gill who should've better prepared for succession. Woodward was learning the role for two years under none other than David Gill and the only difference was that Gill had Fergie to steer the ship and Woodward inherited Moyes with a out of date scouting network and football structure. And the man who made it work (Fergie) retired which was the biggest loss.
Gill and SAF handed offer the EPL champions who were at the cusp of signing talent like Thiago Alcantara. It was under Woodward's tenure that Judge was signed and we wasted 900m. It was under him that we kept signing the wrong managers, giving them contract extensions and then firing them. It was under Woodward that our salary big went out of control and it was under Woodward that United fount itself in this PR mess.
I was never a big fan of Martin Ferguson but I'd like to know the results of this so called updated scouting net. Mou's last summer was a mess, in Ole's first year we signed Bruno and a couple of obvious EPL signings on silly money and last summer it was a mess again. Vdb and Telles aren't first team level and seem not liked by the manager. Meanwhile we spent the entire summer courting Sancho only to pay over the odds for two young wingers who are miles away from First team football. But hey we are dominating the reserve football (the level there is abymisal) and our woman team rocks
Who gives a toss. All from the same cloth.
When I criticised this appointment I got hammered for it
Mate you were not alone. Such a underwhelming signing from Ed and co. But so easily foreseeable.
Fergie handed over the EPL champions and he won those leagues despite working with David Gill, Kenyon and Edwards. Gill had very little to do with our success.
Woodward backed managers who wasted the money. Managers who had top level European pedigree. You yourself were happy with Mourinho as your post history will attest to. So to turn around now and say he made the wrong managerial appointments after you yourself were happy with Mourinho demonstrated your own shirt sightedness.
The rest of your post I've answered countless times in the last few months and have provided details on how the structure evolved over the years from the dated structure inherited by Woodward/Moyes with one fulltime scout to what it changed to over the years. I suggest you go read those posts.
why good?
obviously not reliable. Woody is here for another 8 months, and that gives him more than enough time to make an impression.
they are shit stirring because some people lap it up…
I think most of us were just happy that they actually filled the position instead of just saying they were searching for the past couple seasons.
This is what i cant wait to find out. Seems people are waiting to dish it out on him now he isnt in power
A- You're putting a supporter on the same standing of the CEO of Manchester United which is kind of silly really. Woodward is supposed to have far more resources, inside information and should be more suited to take decisions then the average fan
B- Regarding Gill. SAF beg to differ
C- Moyes, Mou and LVG back to differ. They all fount Woodward to be a bit of a cnut.
D-Can you please provide us with solid information that we only had one full time scout? Also what had these new army of scouts achieved vis a vis bringing unknown talent which is good enough to do well as first team level? Cause let's face it, even the average fan knew of Maguire, Bruno etc
Your loyalty to Woodward is disturbing. I think that by now you're probably the only one who rates him.
He might not be the good guy in all of this but as the face of the boardroom and the rep of the Glazers I'm not surprised he quit with this superleague disaster. He was going to get crucified from every angle of the football world. It's just not worth sticking for. Let the Glazers take the backlash for their own decisions. Joel Glazer especially has been well hidden behind Woodward all these years
I saw that as a plus. Considering how incompetent Woodward and Judge were, then I believed that the more football people we had at board level the better. However I had 4 major concerns about it all
A- He was appointed by Woodward. The guy had shown that he wouldn't spot a football talent even if it hits him in the face
B- United had been lead in horrendously throughout the past eight years. Murtough has been involved in it from nearly the beginning of it
C- Any DOF that has some sort of self respect would have been allowed to make changes. Instead Judge was kept and we were saddled with the very inexperienced Darren Fletcher as technical director
D-Jon has no experience as DOF whatsoever
My gut told me that this guy was a Woodward's man, ie someone who was brought in with the absolute guarantee that he won't rock the boat and will keep the status quo. That's the least thing United need
So you're admitting that a fan like yourself shouldn't talk about managerial appointments because Woodward knows far more than you? This was also the same Mourinho who was hired by Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid. So all those clubs know feck all about the game?
Regarding the Glazer's, SAF said they were 'excellent owners'. So try and be consistent and don't just pick the quote from SAF that best suits your narrative which you're struggling with right now. So I'm gonna assume you also agreed with SAF that the current owners were good for the club. And also Phil Jones being the next Duncan Edwards.
Most players and fans found LVG and Mourinho to be cnuts. Ask Roy Keane and he's say the same about Fergie. So your point again is a silly one.
I've provided references from James Ducker, Stuart Mathieson etc, regarding the dated scouting network in the past which relied on our only fulltime scout, Jim Lawlor who along with Derek Langley, the Head of recruitment worked on the recruitment. Go look it up or use a simple Google search it's not difficult.
My loyalty has always been to my club which is within my country. I would've supported the club even if they were in the Championship. Can you say the same being from Malta, or was it our success that enticed you? I've criticised Woodward on here countless times but I'm not gonna stoop to the low levels that you have quite clearly done by blaming him for everything post Fergie. When the reality is very different and the some of the blame should be attributed to his predecessor for reasons I've mentioned previously.
And you say it's disturbing me backing Woodward when I've done no such thing. What isn't disturbing is you lying in your arguments about Mourinho being forced to accept a back room staff at Inter Milan. You also lied about Hasan Salihamidzic being groomed by Rummenigge for the Sporting directors role at Bayern for 4 years which was another lie. And then you have the cheek to tell me I'm trying to win a internet argument.
Fans have all the right in the world to discuss their football club. However putting a fan on equal football to the club's CEO is a bit stupid. He should know more better then the average fan although in most cases he had proved himself otherwise
Regarding Moyes, LVG and Mou, you said that Woodward backed them. They suggest otherwise. Maybe you know something that they don't.
Regarding references if such information was easy to find then I wouldn't be asking it from you.
Finally Malta has the oldest Manchester United supporters club in the world. The fans opened the first supporters club in 1959 at a time when the country was a ridiculously poor British colony and was still recovering from being the most bombed country per sqm during WW2. So a simple google search would have avoided you from showing your British exceptionalism.
What we should do, is all go to the training complex wearing black, sneak in with a bunch of dodgily spray-painted bedsheets, and have a quick chat with Ole. People will take us seriously then.
When you buy a club, and loan from a bank you know this whole thing was talked about.How can you make it happen? That would be discussed also. It's easy to play pretend. Pretend being the key word because people watch things or see things and sometimes to much. Because sometimes people want to believe or believe because it confirms in their mind what they were thinking ie they have a predisposition to bias. Often times people pretend. Or bluff. You can bluff so as to create good cop bad cop. It's not that hard. We don't have to dissect stuff that is 'designed' to make people empathetic or make people imagine that there is some decency here or that someone was forced into anything. Ed was in banking.....he was a money man. They all are snakes.
But the problem ultimately still exists because we get no say and they don't care. They ask how to improve the competition? Make it less teams but that would generate less money and that's the point to these pretenders. Representing your country in Europe shouldn't be a given nor a right. It should be a great achievement but that's not the case. But they've created a scenario where you have these types of owners who are happy to finish 3/4/5 etc...just to get the money and have some trips abroad. So there is still a big issue and it's concerning the money. It's the fine line between sport and business and at this level of finance, it's a business and so it appeals to people who want to make a profit....not people who want to do any good or even knows you exist.
So yeah we have to remove the glazers. We don't have to engage in their propaganda campaigns. We also have to put pressure on Uefa/Fifa etc. All of these people are snakes but Uefa/Fifa have got away with it for far too long. Supporters should have a say in champions league reforms and scaling back SHOULD be an option. It's probably not but it should be. And if it's not it's out of greed.
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Of course the fans have the right to question decisions which I encourage. But when said fans are wrong they shouldn't resort to whataboutism and actually admit that they also were wrong. And believe me you aren't the only one who has been wrong, I was wrong about LVG so won't criticise Woodward for appointing him, because that would make me a hypocrite.
So if he didn't back them, then your criticism about him wasting 900m is false. He absolutely backed them and broke the British and world transfer records in the process. But the truth is, those managers wasted the money on their targets which were chosen by those managers, and their man management skills also exacerbated the situation.
Malta having the oldest Man Utd supporters club still doesn't predate us English fans who have been supporting the club since 1878 (Newton Heath). So once again I'm not sure what point you're making here because when it comes to loyalty it was those locals 81 years earlier who were the bedrock of the club.
Then maybe you should rethink about your stance about Woodward. If what you said is true then soon enough you'll say you were wrong on all that. We'll wait.
Regarding our managers, Moyes, LVG and Mou had claimed that he didn't backed them and had actually backstabbed them.
Finally that's the date the supporters club was founded, the Maltese support towards United is far older then that. Malta's links with the UK predates Newton Heath by nearly a century. As a colony Malta was one of the most poorest countries in Europe and it was one of the most hit countries during WW2. Poverty was as common as air back then so the sacrifices that these supporters had done to follow United is way beyond what you and me will probably ever do. I know because my grandfather is one of them (third generation United fan here). Anyway I knew of a particular founding member who worked part time jobs so he could one day spare enough money to afford going to Manchester and watch United play. Even now in the age of internet and football games on telly you'll still meet people who would only travel on holidays to Manchester to watch us play. So don't discount foreign fans the way you're doing. The hoops these people jump to support Manchester United would probably astound you. That something the likes of Sir Matt, Jimmy Murphy and Sir Alex respected greatly especially the latter who is a regular visitor at our club. British exceptionalism doesn't suit this forum whose very proud of its inclusive nature.
I'm balanced in my argument regarding Woodward and have criticised him in the past. But he isn't the only one to blame for our post Fergie malaise. It would be extremely disingenious of me to solely blame Woodward when his predecessor was just as much to blame for the debacle post Fergie. And you don't need to be a rocket science to see that the club backed all the managers Post Fergie with heavy investment. They backed those managers with more funds in comparison to what Liverpool and most, if not all non state/oil clubs. You have to be very naive to believe otherwise.
Are you saying that the Maltese supporters were the bedrock of the club over the English supporters? And what do you mean that Maltese people were in the UK before Newton Heath were formed. That doesn't have anything to do with the conversation we're having here. It's as irrelevant as me saying that English supporters were in England before the Maltese people and Newton Heath. Let's stick to the topic and not go on a rant about the history of your fellow country men/women who I wish the best of luck to.
And regarding your false insinuation about me discounting foreign fans is laughable. I have never looked down upon foreign United fans in here or any where else. It was you who accused me of being a Woodward loyalist which brought forth my defence. And my defence was simple, that it was our people who built this club which is a fact and our loyalty will always be with the club even if we never became a big club and ended up playing non league. And then for you to go on a rant about the poverty of your fellow Maltese which predated the formation of the club was completely irrelevant to what we've been discussing. I have every sympathy for the people of Malta and the hardships they've faced. But that history lesson is for another sub forum.
Which again was after you questioned my loyalty first. So when you question my loyalty and have also lied several times in your posts as I've proven to you in conversation with me. Then why is it that you get defensive when your loyalty is called into question and you respond with your 'Anti British' agenda which is something you've got a history of doing on this forum. The latest gem being 'British exceptionalism'
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