Glastonbury...anyone?

Drifter said:
Certainly was.Made Noel look a twat which isn't bad.
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No he wasn't, besides I doubt he gives a feck. Despite the fact he put on a decent enough show, the crowd were bigger for Winehouse by all accounts. Plus ticket sales being drastically low at first also doesn't seem to suggest it was that good a move.

I've nothing against Jay-z or hip hop in general, but at Glastonbury?
 
Redlambs said:
No he wasn't, besides I doubt he gives a feck. Despite the fact he put on a decent enough show, the crowd were bigger for Winehouse by all accounts. Plus ticket sales being drastically low at first also doesn't seem to suggest it was that good a move.

I've nothing against Jay-z or hip hop in general, but at Glastonbury?
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spot fecking on
 
kishankhagram said:
The crowd enjoyed it and so did most viewers.

So the problem is......
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I think the problem is that having Jay Z as a headline act really put alot of regular glasto goers off.

I'm not saying don't have JayZ there, i think he is entertaining. To be fair as hip hop goes one of the most innovative artists around.

But headline? No, not for me. I think if he was a little further down the bill fine.

Just an opinion really.

As far as i am concerned i beat the Glasto crew hands down with the two gigs i have seen this weekend. Riding he crest of a wave me :D
 
londonredmaniac said:
I think the problem is that having Jay Z as a headline act really put alot of regular glasto goers off.

I'm not saying don't have JayZ there, i think he is entertaining. To be fair as hip hop goes one of the most innovative artists around.

But headline? No, not for me. I think if he was a little further down the bill fine.

Just an opinion really.

As far as i am concerned i beat the Glasto crew hands down with the two gigs i have seen this weekend. Riding he crest of a wave me :D
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Dude, long time no speak how goes things my Cockney friend.

Agree with this post too.

I'm seeing Radiohead later on this afternoon so my woes will be short lived for sure :D
 
P.S. LRMC, is your mobile no. the same as it was before your phone got robbed in Barca?
 
RedNome said:
Dude, long time no speak how goes things my Cockney friend.

Agree with this post too.

I'm seeing Radiohead later on this afternoon so my woes will be short lived for sure :D
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hey up lad. Yeah same number fella. Been a while, you not been on RR?

Check this shit out man....

Saw John Mayer friday and sat night....sat night supporting clapton!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4KWCKaSJbrQ

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=umk2iDvO0dU

fecking class act.

Someone i know saw radiohead last week...said it was fecking banging
 
londonredmaniac said:
hey up lad. Yeah same number fella. Been a while, you not been on RR?

Check this shit out man....

Saw John Mayer friday and sat night....sat night supporting clapton!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4KWCKaSJbrQ

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=umk2iDvO0dU

fecking class act.

Someone i know saw radiohead last week...said it was fecking banging
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I haven't been on RR since Moscow mate, I was going on a forum break (didn't work as I got drawn back on here) as I was spending far too much time on them. I'll check back in in the next day or two.

Not heard much John Mayer lad, I'll have a listen when I get back from Radiohead as I'm winding myself up for this gig right now.

Also, not sure if this is your cup of tea or not but this lass is supporting Radiohead so I checked her out and it's fecking class, if you like Bjork, Portishead, PJ Harvey etc you'll love this.

https://www.redcafe.net/f27/rednomes-album-recommendation-week-209084/
 
RedNome said:
I haven't been on RR since Moscow mate, I was going on a forum break (didn't work as I got drawn back on here) as I was spending far too much time on them. I'll check back in in the next day or two.

Not heard much John Mayer lad, I'll have a listen when I get back from Radiohead as I'm winding myself up for this gig right now.

Also, not sure if this is your cup of tea or not but this lass is supporting Radiohead so I checked her out and it's fecking class, if you like Bjork, Portishead, PJ Harvey etc you'll love this.

https://www.redcafe.net/f27/rednomes-album-recommendation-week-209084/
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sweet, love abit of portishead me
 
londonredmaniac said:
I think the problem is that having Jay Z as a headline act really put alot of regular glasto goers off.

I'm not saying don't have JayZ there, i think he is entertaining. To be fair as hip hop goes one of the most innovative artists around.

But headline? No, not for me. I think if he was a little further down the bill fine.

Just an opinion really.

As far as i am concerned i beat the Glasto crew hands down with the two gigs i have seen this weekend. Riding he crest of a wave me :D
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Thats a good point, making him a headliner was going a bit too far.
 
kishankhagram said:
Thats a good point, making him a headliner was going a bit too far.
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I'm all for different genres of music at festivals. Wondering around seeing what you stumble across is a cracking part of it.

Just not as a headline act. Him coming onto wonderwall was amusing given the circumstances, even if it showed why the daft cnut should rap and not sing :D

fair play to him
 
londonredmaniac said:
I'm all for different genres of music at festivals. Wondering around seeing what you stumble across is a cracking part of it.

Just not as a headline act. Him coming onto wonderwall was amusing given the circumstances, even if it showed why the daft cnut should rap and not sing :D

fair play to him
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Saying all this though lad, Glasto has always had it's non rock/indie headliners, and some that are regarded as classic sets too, Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Underworld are fine examples of this.
 
RedNome said:
Saying all this though lad, Glasto has always had it's non rock/indie headliners, and some that are regarded as classic sets too, Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Underworld are fine examples of this.
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aye true

I think JayZ and the hip hop trail is slightly different though in many people eyes.

Whether it's the 'rap' thing i don't know.

To be fair non of the above acts are particularly my thing either...but they went down well.

Oh and stop tryin to fackin mug me off you caaaant
 
londonredmaniac said:
aye true

I think JayZ and the hip hop trail is slightly different though in many people eyes.

Whether it's the 'rap' thing i don't know.

To be fair non of the above acts are particularly my thing either...but they went down well.

Oh and stop tryin to fackin mug me off you caaaant
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:lol:

It probably is different as I think the acts I mentioned were more crossover acts in as much that the indie crowd would listen to that kind of music as well as there usual genre, myself being one of these types, not sure hip hop is the same in that regard, at least not to the same degree anyway.
 
RedNome said:
:lol:

It probably is different as I think the acts I mentioned were more crossover acts in as much that the indie crowd would listen to that kind of music as well as there usual genre, myself being one of these types, not sure hip hop is the same in that regard, at least not to the same degree anyway.
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some do seem to have that cross over appeal

Run DMC, Cyprus Hill, Sugar Hill Gang, Jurrasic 5 that kind of thing
 
londonredmaniac said:
some do seem to have that cross over appeal

Run DMC, Cyprus Hill, Sugar Hill Gang, Jurrasic 5 that kind of thing
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Indeed, great music will always crossover to the wider masses, when I was younger bands such as Metallica (Black Album), Faith no More (The Real Thing, Angel Dust) and Nirvana (Nevermind) were the ones that every cnut seemed to have in their collections no matter what their predominant music tastes seemed to be.
 
RedNome said:
Indeed, great music will always crossover to the wider masses, when I was younger bands such as Metallica (Black Album), Faith no More (The Real Thing, Angel Dust) and Nirvana (Nevermind) were the ones that every cnut seemed to have in their collections no matter what their predominant music tastes seemed to be.
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fecking faith no more, mike patton was the man
 
londonredmaniac said:
fecking faith no more, mike patton was the man
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They were fecking great, not sure what's happened to them, it's about time they reformed and did a reunion tour or something, I regret never seeing them live.
 
Right...

I'm back.

I am not doing drugs of the illegal variety, ever, ever again (barring a wee puff from time to time).

Yes i am a prick.

Moving along swiftly...

Last years wristband is clearly sewn with:

"Festival of contemporary perfomance arts"

Or a variation of those words.

My point being that Miss Eavis had every right to book Jay-Z - who had every right to be playing his music at the festival. I don't mind an outspoken rock star, but, Mr Gallagher has made a bit of a prat out of himself here - speaking for people who already have a voice and whom attended a good performance by Mr Z.

Now; i wouldn't expect Jay-Z to be playing at Glastonbury again, not for a long time anyways - therefore i see it as highly unlikely that i will be seeing him, live, ever again, but i am pleased to have done so.

If you didn't go, or you didn't get to see, these are some of my favourite moments that can be viewed (most of) on the bbc website:

Seasick Steve - Was absolutely superb, an amazing musician, performer and storyteller. Must see.

Zion Train - Fantastic live band.

The Verve - Great performance, a fantastic ending to a great 5 days - Lucky Man, The Drugs Don't Work and Bittersweet Symphony. I cried.

Watching Murray do Gasquet here, will fill you in later peep gang.
 
paddyf091 said:
Bad experience?
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Just too much.

I started a collection which soon got out of hand - over-zealous friends and all that jazz.

So...

I got there and obviously, first night, i had to get competely mashed.

Wasteful use of my serorotin.

Do i need it anymore?

Nay.

The coke is more prevalent around here - i think hibernation is the only answer.
 
united.7 said:
Just too much.

I started a collection which soon got out of hand - over-zealous friends and all that jazz.

So...

I got there and obviously, first night, i had to get competely mashed.

Wasteful use of my serorotin.

Do i need it anymore?

Nay.

The coke is more prevalent around here - i think hibernation is the only answer.
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Only drug I truly, truly enjoyed was Ecstasy. But then again I always mix alcohol and weed. :\
 
londonredmaniac said:
I think the problem is that having Jay Z as a headline act really put alot of regular glasto goers off.
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I dont think thats a problem.

Having the same crowd every year is what's made the festival seem stale.

There were so many younger kids and first timers this year having a great time. It really added to the energy of the festival.
 
I got back yesterday. I have been to 5 Glastonbury’s and I think 2008 may well have been the best yet.

Jay-Z on Saturday night was one of the highlights and it may just be the best headline performance I have seen on the Pyramid and defiantly the biggest crowd I have seen in that field. Michael Eavis will be feeling very smug - booking Jay-Z was an inspired choice.

There are only a handful of bands big enough to play the Pyramid and it would be very dull to have Coldplay, Radiohead, Oasis etc every other year.

I think the weather of the last 3 Glasto's was the biggest factor in tickets not selling out as quickly as usual - nothing to do with Jay-Z.

Other highlights for me were Kings of Leon, Franz Ferdinand, The Foals, Seasick Steve, Shaking Stevens, Candi Staton, Vampire Weekend, Neil Diamond, Man Utd Chao, The Raconteurs, Crystal Castles and Alabama 3.

For me, Glastonbury is still the best festival. Where else can you see such a varied range of artists?
 
Got back yesterday but still recovering! I'm with you on Jay-z he was brilliant. Enjoyed MGMT, Vampire Weekend, Seasick Steve, The Verve the list goes on. Got myself into a bit of trouble Sunday morning though. A lack of sleep, food and too many drugs resulted in me having a psychotic delusion and thinking that I was a serial killer for about 3 hours. I was staggering around near the other stage thinking people were following me and shouting stuff, pretty scary in the end! Ended up having to get knocked out in the medical tent for a bit, was fine in time for The Verve though!
 
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm of the opinion that Jay-Z is a talentless armpit making obscene anounts of money out of clueless and vulnerable kids.

Even I was shocked, though, by how appalling his set was. What exactly was the Wonderwall cover designed to prove except, maybe, that he can neither play the guitar, or sing?

And if I thought that was shit enough, I was amazed at how shit his own material was. Just fecking embarrassing.

Glastonbury is not just about guitars and Indie music. It's about people who get into the industry for something other than the fame and money. In contrast, Jay Z is a product of the most commercial end of the music industry, and exists ONLY to make money. Glastonbury SHOULD be about musicians who have something to say, who inspire, and bring people together. To see a shallow cash-cow up on that stage, with precisely feck-all to say, whilst getting paid millions for it, was depressing to say the least.
 
Rubbish BaldwinLegend, although I like you enthusiasm towards music you have a very 2 dimensional view.

Glastonbury is a music festival, hip-hop & R&B represent a huge chunk of the current music industry - I'm sure there were people outraged with the introduction of Indie music to Glastonbury when punk was in its prime, but look how times have changed!

As for the Jay Z slating, each to thier own, his Wonderwall performance was meant as a light hearted joke, his performance was brilliant, he owned the crowd - look at Winehouse, now that was a shit performance, forgetting words singing out of time, punching folk - not to mention she is a Jazz singer!
 
Ander8on said:
Rubbish BaldwinLegend, although I like you enthusiasm towards music you have a very 2 dimensional view.

Glastonbury is a music festival, hip-hop & R&B represent a huge chunk of the current music industry - I'm sure there were people outraged with the introduction of Indie music to Glastonbury when punk was in its prime, but look how times have changed!

As for the Jay Z slating, each to thier own, his Wonderwall performance was meant as a light hearted joke, his performance was brilliant, he owned the crowd - look at Winehouse, now that was a shit performance, forgetting words singing out of time, punching folk - not to mention she is a Jazz singer!
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I agree with Gordon Smart.

It was a good performance, very good, but it was slightly embarrassing at times. Thousands of predominantly English, white (middle-class) folk vainly attempting to sing-along with a professionally black rapper from Brooklyn doesn't quite fit; even in the most flamboyant of venues - Worthy farm, fields of Avalon, Pilton.

It was a fantastic show nonetheless - i couldn't see it as anything more though, and yes i would have preferred to have been seated.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm of the opinion that Jay-Z is a talentless armpit making obscene anounts of money out of clueless and vulnerable kids.

Even I was shocked, though, by how appalling his set was. What exactly was the Wonderwall cover designed to prove except, maybe, that he can neither play the guitar, or sing?

And if I thought that was shit enough, I was amazed at how shit his own material was. Just fecking embarrassing.

Glastonbury is not just about guitars and Indie music. It's about people who get into the industry for something other than the fame and money. In contrast, Jay Z is a product of the most commercial end of the music industry, and exists ONLY to make money. Glastonbury SHOULD be about musicians who have something to say, who inspire, and bring people together. To see a shallow cash-cow up on that stage, with precisely feck-all to say, whilst getting paid millions for it, was depressing to say the least.
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Were you there?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
As I said earlier in the thread, I'm of the opinion that Jay-Z is a talentless armpit making obscene anounts of money out of clueless and vulnerable kids.

Even I was shocked, though, by how appalling his set was. What exactly was the Wonderwall cover designed to prove except, maybe, that he can neither play the guitar, or sing?

And if I thought that was shit enough, I was amazed at how shit his own material was. Just fecking embarrassing.

Glastonbury is not just about guitars and Indie music. It's about people who get into the industry for something other than the fame and money. In contrast, Jay Z is a product of the most commercial end of the music industry, and exists ONLY to make money. Glastonbury SHOULD be about musicians who have something to say, who inspire, and bring people together. To see a shallow cash-cow up on that stage, with precisely feck-all to say, whilst getting paid millions for it, was depressing to say the least.
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883 posts to date, and I'm not sure if I have seen one good one yet from you :rolleyes:

Read Ander8on's reply to your post for my opinion of it.
 
RedNome said:
883 posts to date, and I'm not sure if I have seen one good one yet from you :rolleyes:

Read Ander8on's reply to your post for my opinion of it.
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Presumably a 'good post', in your eyes, is one you can agree with?

When I say that I believe Jay Z is a talentless armpit who represents a hugely harmful trend within the music industry, I write that based on more background knowledge than you probably will ever have at your disposal.

There are many, many professional musicians who will tell you that they feel deeply uneasy with the way the Glastonbury organisers have threatened the incredible heritage and tradition of one of the worlds most recognisable music festivals with such a crass choice of headline act.

If JayZ wants to rip off a bunch of clueless idiots then there's plenty of other festivals for him to carry this out at - surely you would agree that it's a shame to see a festival of such venerable origins sell-out in this manner?

If a selling out of comparable means took place at Old Trafford, you'd be up in arms about it, so it's only natural that those who properly understand and cherish the importance of Glastonbury have their voice heard - Jay Z's performance was an utter disgrace, and an afront to the immense number of aspiring and yet struggling bands in the UK who fight to get recognition.

So thanks for your reply, but I'm fairly convinced that my opinion on Jay Z does have it's value, and I'll continue to say it for as long as the music industry at large is overwhelmed by American capitalism. You only object as you don't have the intellectual capacity to stand up and see what's going on. You're exactly the kind of sheep that record industry execs love fleecing.
 
How can you say hes talentless? Talentless people cant entertain 100,000 people in a field.

Jay-Z went down a storm. Entertainment wise, I have never seen a better headline performance at the Pyramid stage and I have seen Radiohead, Coldplay, Muse, Oasis, McCartney and the White Stripes to name a few. I have never seen the Pyramid field so full. He came out with a point to prove and he smashed it. Many of my mates came to see him on Saturday night expecting a train crash and hoping to put the knife in - they were all won over.

I agree that some of Jay-Zs views are totally in contrast with what some people believe that Glastonbury stands for. But the world had moved on and Glastonbury is doing the same.

Like it or not, Jay-Z has helped give Glastonbury the shot in the arm it has needed.

I am sure tickets will be sold out in record time next year.
 
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