Gio VS Rpitroda - All time 3 yr peak - Auction draft

Who would win based on players in their 3 yr peak?

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Loving Team @Gio here, it's very all round and filled with top notch players, I have some problems with the notes in his tactics as I don't see Redondo as a defensive liability against Zico here, and I agree Bergomi will help a lot. Moreover, I don't think your front three is better than Trippy's.

But still, that brazilian attack with the German defense and that very cohesive midfield is enough for me to decide this, I don't think Trippy's midfield will work as good as Gio's, and while I rate rpitroda's attack slightly higher the defense seals it for me - Hansen-Costacurta is very underwhelming when the other side offers Schwarzenbeck and Beckenbauer, and even Eusebio won't be enough for that gap.

Voted Gio, might still change if rpitroda will convince me differently. Very good matchup guys.
 
Aldo said:
That was said mainly as the team needs Zico's services more in the final third and there's no real need for him to join the creative hub. I acknowledge his tactical versatility but it will be counter productive to the team here if Zico drops too deep for a significant part of the game, given the players around him - Romario functions much better with a partner rather than isolated alone up front and there's few, if any, better than Zico to be that partner. For me it's simple - Zico and Romario are up front, Zizinho's working the flank to give that needed width while Suarez pulls the strings. Most of the teams I've built revolve around fluidity and players constantly switching around so it's fair to say I value that very highly but I just don't see a reason for that to be implemented in full force here.
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Aye, agreed with that. Gio himself has stated Zico as being part of the attack and has him in the forward trio in the OP so I doubt he'll be dropping into the midfield frequently. However, he will have the freedom to roam around the line, as he does have Suárez with whom he can interchange positions when needed. Suárez is perfect for both running the game and 'plugging in the gaps' (providing a secondary presence for Romario for eg) when necessary so I can see Zico and Suárez working very well. Just think I misunderstood the gist of your initial post, that's all.
 
For clarification, Redondo isn't poor defensively by any stretch and that wasn't what was stated in the OP. I actually defended Redondo's defensive ability when it was criticised in TITO's side so I agree he can still be an asset in that phase of the game.

The point is very true however that he isn't suited to dealing with Zico, not by a long stretch. Firstly because he isn't good enough defensively to deal with one of the 10/20 best players of all time, and secondly because Zico's skill set is well matched against Redondo.

Even the most avid Redondo fan (looking at you Aldo :boring:) would agree he wasn't the most mobile of chaps, whereas Zico was an exceptional dribbler, quick, and as agile as they come. Zico is not a good match up for him - in the interests of balanced debate, Redondo is better matched against Suarez.

The point on Redondo can be seen in the distinction between his defensive contribution and that of Desailly. Redondo isn't poor defensively but he's clearly not a defensive power house or specialist. I think it's a fair point to raise that the weaker defense has weaker defensive protection in midfield. That ball winning role is something Desailly excelled at - coming 8th, 9th and 11th in the Ballon d'Or in those early days at Milan, higher than Redondo ever finished (not to suggest he's a better player).

 
No worries.
Joga Bonito said:
(providing a secondary presence for Romario for eg)
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I'll be interested in seeing instances of this happening frequently in one of his games, and my impression of him not being suitable for that job was one of the reasons I believed Zico to stay up front. I've usually considered Suarez at most the most advanced midfielder in a trio but not further up in positions like an out and out #10, let alone a second striker. His skills are best used as a playmaker and not someone who'd get on the end of attacks.

On the other hand Zico absolutely fits in there like a glove and makes as deadly a front two as you can imagine. It's just really unnecessary to have that forced interchange and something that would hamper the complete balance of that setup.
 
Theon said:
Even the most avid Redondo fan (looking at you Aldo :boring:) would agree he wasn't the most mobile of chaps, whereas Zico was an exceptional dribbler, quick, and as agile as they come. Zico is not a good match up for him - in the interests of balanced debate, Redondo is better matched against Suarez.
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There's nothing I disagree with here, in fact I've written exactly that in this thread. But Redondo is not in a 1v1 battle with Zico the whole game, it is Suarez who will be next to him most of the time, and the reasons have been discussed in my earlier posts.
 
It is a bit bizarre that you are spending so much time on the whole "Redondo vs Zico" argument when Zico is actually running at a hapless Hansen hoping to avoid the same humiliation he was handed out by the Brazilian, when his precious Liverpool was at the peak of their powers no less.
 
Aldo said:
No worries.

I'll be interested in seeing instances of this happening frequently in one of his games, and my impression of him not being suitable for that job was one of the reasons I believed Zico to stay up front. I've usually considered Suarez at most the most advanced midfielder in a trio but not further up in positions like an out and out #10, let alone a second striker. His skills are best used as a playmaker and not someone who'd get on the end of attacks.

On the other hand Zico absolutely fits in there like a glove and makes as deadly a front two as you can imagine. It's just really unnecessary to have that forced interchange and something that would hamper the complete balance of that setup.
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Yeah it mainly depends on the version that Theon/Gio are using here tbf. If they use the earlier Barca version, then they get an incisive playmaker who has a 1 in 2 goalscoring record and could be the secondary presence for Romario when needed and also dovetail with Zico (like Kubala).

If they use the later Inter/Spain version, then they get a more cultured supporting central midfielder who can run games better and is better tactically but isn't that great an influence in the final third.

I was under the assumption that they were using the former version but it isn't there in the OP right now. Might have been accidentally removed as I do remember seeing it yesterday.
 
Aldo said:
It is a bit bizarre that you are spending so much time on the whole "Redondo vs Zico" argument when Zico is actually running at a hapless Hansen hoping to avoid the same humiliation he was handed out by the Brazilian, when his precious Liverpool was at the peak of their powers no less.
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Aye, it's not just Zico v Hansen, but also Romario v Costacurta. For both Hansen and Costacurta, Romario presents a significant challenge in how his strengths can expose their few weaknesses.

Romario scoring against Milan and Costacurta in 1992:



Romario scoring against Italy and Costacurta in 1997 (at 4.57):

 
find this very close and will probably not vote. too close.
 
I don't know, but Beckenbauer???? I'm sold..

I don't think Scholes will see much of the ball, although him and Robson are quite solid. Vogts are no pushover, Best or Second Best.

Tough Call, but Beckenbauer will deal with whatever it is left and they'll nick a goal or two while he hold them at bay!
 
We took a lot of care to get the best out of Beckenbauer. First, by partnering him with Schwarzenbeck who, when together, won it all for Bayern Munich and West Germany. Then by bringing Berti Vogts into his right, renewing their national team partnership and at ease dropping in to cover if Beckenbauer wanted to move forward. And finally by securing Marcel Desailly who would firstly be comfortable dropping back for Beckenbauer if required, and secondly would defer to the Kaiser from a playmaking perspective, whilst still being an absolutely top-drawer defensive midfielder himself.
 
Went for Gio. I myself like to use real-life examples of the mismatches in the game and he has showed us a few. And his defence is awesome, absolutely final worthy, no point of changing Shwarzenbeck or Vogts going further. 2:1 or something - no way Best and Eusebio won't score at least one in any circumstances.
 
Aldo said:
There's nothing I disagree with here, in fact I've written exactly that in this thread. But Redondo is not in a 1v1 battle with Zico the whole game, it is Suarez who will be next to him most of the time, and the reasons have been discussed in my earlier posts.
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Fair do's Aldo - I never said he was though and I didn't mean it that way in the OP.

Effectively all I've said is:

1 - Redondo is ill suited against Zico
2 - Zico was such a fluid player that at different stages of the game he will find himself facing Bergomi, Hansen and Redondo.

It wasn't supposed to be a hugely significant point - just something to have in mind.
 
Congrats guys. Great team.

Wish I could have been more active, but then again we played the game on my birthday so... Unsurprisingly I wasn't lol.
 
rpitroda said:
Congrats guys. Great team.

Wish I could have been more active, but then again we played the game on my birthday so... Unsurprisingly I wasn't lol.
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Cheers. Definitely one of the strongest teams to drop out and we were lucky that your best players came up against our best defenders.
 
rpitroda said:
Congrats guys. Great team.

Wish I could have been more active, but then again we played the game on my birthday so... Unsurprisingly I wasn't lol.
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Congrats! Very hard match up and I couldn't vote one way or the other here. When Gio sent his team my jaw dropped pretty much and you were at that exact same level too.
 
Just noticed that rpitroda had Tresor on the bench :(. Should have started ahead of either of his CBs imo. Hansen is never going to get his fair dues here, in general and he is up against Zico who has got one over him before.

Btw happy birthday @rpitroda
 
rpitroda said:
Same story every time though, always apparently a good team but never good enough!
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You need luck in the draw to win any of these drafts. Not only do you need to avoid every round favorite but you also need to avoid teams who suit you poorly tactically.

I'd say you and Gio/Theon had very likely the best two teams in the draft and it was a very even match at the end.
 
Gio said:
We took a lot of care to get the best out of Beckenbauer. First, by partnering him with Schwarzenbeck who, when together, won it all for Bayern Munich and West Germany. Then by bringing Berti Vogts into his right, renewing their national team partnership and at ease dropping in to cover if Beckenbauer wanted to move forward. And finally by securing Marcel Desailly who would firstly be comfortable dropping back for Beckenbauer if required, and secondly would defer to the Kaiser from a playmaking perspective, whilst still being an absolutely top-drawer defensive midfielder himself.
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I have to say I found it hard to choose sides yesterday and had I read this then it would have clinched it. Not that I don't see it, but being deliberate about it and nailing your colours to a setup is worth a lot in my book.

Now get shot of Gordillo and upgrade Zizinho for someone more familiar like Georgie Boy. Can't see much room for improvement thereafter, maybe a fancy upgrade to Souness but keeping the overall balance in that midfield. Not many would accomplish both.

The rest are all phenomenal. There's an angle there with Romario-Zico about having more physical presence, etc. It's worth exploring, if there are possible upgrades on either who could also provide that. Again, very few would, and I actually cream my pants thinking what Romario could produce with Zico's service :drool:
 
antohan said:
I have to say I found it hard to choose sides yesterday and had I read this then it would have clinched it. Not that I don't see it, but being deliberate about it and nailing your colours to a setup is worth a lot in my book.

Now get shot of Gordillo and upgrade Zizinho for someone more familiar like Georgie Boy. Can't see much room for improvement thereafter, maybe a fancy upgrade to Souness but keeping the overall balance in that midfield. Not many would accomplish both.

The rest are all phenomenal. There's an angle there with Romario-Zico about having more physical presence, etc. It's worth exploring, if there are possible upgrades on either who could also provide that. Again, very few would, and I actually cream my pants thinking what Romario could produce with Zico's service :drool:
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Edwards for Souness will be just :drool: And it's painfully obvious who will Theon/Gio choose for that left wingback spot.
 
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