GIGGSY IDENTIFIED AS THE BOTTLER

solomon_bernstein

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According to a very reliable source who is on very good terms with Keanes solicitor Kennedy has confirmed Giggs was the player who bottled big time against Bayer Levurkusen in the Champions League.

Also Keane identified Scholes, Giggs, Nevilles as the main culprits for last seasons failure. Keane has clearly stated in his book Veron and Blanc were not to blame but some of the senior players became complacent. Apparently Keane is absolutely furious that Giggs has failed to progress and failed to produce for the past 3 years.

Unfortunately I would agree Giggs has not developed and if you watch him carefully you will notice Keano giving him constant bollockings for giving the ball away or putting in bad crosses.

This probably explains why SAF was desperate to buy Duff.
 
None of that would surprise me if it was true. Giggs has won more than any of them so its not entirely surprising that he'd find it hard to stay hungry more than the others, though why he'd be nervous and shaking I don't know.
 
Oh let's not start a guessing game of 'who's that wetting his shorts'...

It's rather obvious it can only be one of a group of three or so really, but let's not get into it please!

Anyhow, I wasn't aware Fergie was desperate to sign Duff.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>None of that would surprise me if it was true. Giggs has won more than any of them so its not entirely surprising that he'd find it hard to stay hungry more than the others, though why he'd be nervous and shaking I don't know.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Keane hasn't a f..king clue. Firstly, Giggs played a huge part in resurecting the challenge for the PL title. The same goes for Gary Neville. It was his presence at CB that stabilized the dodgey defence. Scholes certainly didn't have his best season, as he would probably agree. But, he was played out position and certainly had a much better year than the Veron ( who was brought in team to increase the creativity of the midfield.) To put it bluntly, Keane is full of shit. You could point a finger at most the players, including Keane, at various times during the season.
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Been saying this for God knows how long. It was one of my first posts on here and I got slaughtered by you lot :D

Still believe it though. Cos he has the ability to light the world on fire. Its not that he has failed to produce - its just that he isnt fighting for it.

It hurts to see him think about beating a player and then go for the asy option and pass it infield instead. Someone set im free and he can score some more Arsenal semi-final goals.

Its hard to think his finest moment came in 99 and may never be overtaken.
 
I hate Keane and I am a United fan, he is always breaking the "apparent" harmony that is at the club.
Why does he have to make those kinds of revelations?
 
Originally posted by Enrique Deschamps:
<strong>I hate Keane and I am a United fan, he is always breaking the "apparent" harmony that is at the club.
Why does he have to make those kinds of revelations?</strong><hr></blockquote>

to give the players a MASSIVE kick up the backside that is needed.

and i agree Giggs aint been the same player for 3 seasons.
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Even if Keane had not mentioned the players, they would have been my 'usual suspects'!

If anyone was fortunately enough to see Giggs when he first exploded onto the scene, then he/she would have felt that Giggs has failed to live up to his tag as 'world-beater' when he first 'arrived' at 17!

Giggs shud be amongst the World's elite instead of now playing a 'supporting role' but his finishing & worse still, his crossings have been appaling these last few seasons!

Everyone knows Scholes was below par last season, so that's obvious, & Gary spent too much time standing to attention & practising his 'Hitler' salutes everytime an opposing foward broke through instead of closing down on the threat! He too have fallen from the standards he set when he first partnered Stam. ( His brother doesn't seem to have recovered since that Euro 2000 penalty conceded against Romania! )
 
And the qustion is answerd as to why Giggs has never won a Eorpean/World player of the year or ever been in the standings. Maybe the football world knows something we dont.

I hope though that this spurs him on because I dont think there is a better sight in football than watching Giggs flying up and down the wing(and not just on European nights)
 
I thought Veron was guilty of bottling in that game - he literally jumped out of tackles.

Giggsy had a poorish game, but I wouldn't have said he bottled it.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>I thought Veron was guilty of bottling in that game - he literally jumped out of tackles.

Giggsy had a poorish game, but I wouldn't have said he bottled it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed. i still have visions of Veron playing more or less as a centre back in that game. A man of his ability should have been pushing on looking for the goal.
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Yes I agree Veron had a very ineffective game but please bear in mind he was suffering with the achilles injury. What's Giggsy's excuse?

The simple fact is Giggs has not developed or produced the goods for 3 years. Also very interesting to see him lose the vice captaincy to Becks.
 
Originally posted by Enrique Deschamps:
<strong>I hate Keane and I am a United fan, he is always breaking the "apparent" harmony that is at the club.
Why does he have to make those kinds of revelations?</strong><hr></blockquote>
WTF? You hate Keane? I hope that this is a joke. Why do you hate him?
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Keane hasn't a f..king clue. Firstly, Giggs played a huge part in resurecting the challenge for the PL title. The same goes for Gary Neville. It was his presence at CB that stabilized the dodgey defence. Scholes certainly didn't have his best season, as he would probably agree. But, he was played out position and certainly had a much better year than the Veron ( who was brought in team to increase the creativity of the midfield.) To put it bluntly, Keane is full of shit. You could point a finger at most the players, including Keane, at various times during the season. <hr></blockquote>

I certainly cannot remember when I could point a finger at Keane, he was/is by far are most consistent player. Giggs has been poor and often flatters to decieve. Scholes and the Nevilles were all very poor last season and Veron did shoulder the blame for the squad.

I don't believe Keane is out of order of FOS he is the captain, it is his job to tell it like it is. Also, lets not forget that Fergie has backed Keane with his book, surely that says it all.
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Originally posted by solomon_bernstein:
<strong>According to a very reliable source who is on very good terms with Keanes solicitor Kennedy has confirmed Giggs was the player who bottled big time against Bayer Levurkusen in the Champions League.

Also Keane identified Scholes, Giggs, Nevilles as the main culprits for last seasons failure. Keane has clearly stated in his book Veron and Blanc were not to blame but some of the senior players became complacent. Apparently Keane is absolutely furious that Giggs has failed to progress and failed to produce for the past 3 years.

Unfortunately I would agree Giggs has not developed and if you watch him carefully you will notice Keano giving him constant bollockings for giving the ball away or putting in bad crosses.

This probably explains why SAF was desperate to buy Duff.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Giggs is rubbish and has been for a number of years I have repeatedly said here a number of times that he should be sold would get good money for him.
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I think Giggs has had it pretty bad last few years with injuries and it's wrong to be blaming players this way....I think he's developed into a more all round player as opposed to just running down the wing putting the ball in the box.

I there were many mistakes made including SAF. England players like Backs, Scholes and Neville all performed below par and the loss of Stam just didn't help the matter at all. There were also lots of changes to the formation to the team to accommodate players.

Giggs did play pretty poorly against Bayer but so did others.....
 
Originally posted by fortyseven:
<strong>Isn't that the manager's job? Keane is a player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There are no 'right' and 'wrong's, 'your job', and 'my job'. If Keane can have the right effect, no problems.
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Keane also the captain of the club and it is his responsability to carry out the managers directions on the pitch. Why do you think SAF said he wished he had 10 more Keano's and the fact that you wont see him being transferred out within 24 hours of his book release? He's the heart of the team, you just have to look at how we get on when he doesn't play.
 
You also have to question the manager on this issue. Keano had been concerned for some years that numerous players were becoming complacent and were not progressing. Since winning the Champions League we've actually gone backwards. After last seasons failure the manager should have signalled his intent and kicked out 3-4 big name players. This would then have given everyone a kick up the backside. Keano did say the rot set in the minute they won the treble players started acting like big time charlies and began to lose the hunger.
 
Originally posted by Legend12:
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Giggs is rubbish and has been for a number of years </strong><hr></blockquote>

Good analysis... :rolleyes:

He's been rubish in certain games, like you'd expect from any player who plays the game in such a marginal way.

If you think Giggs was fantastic in every game 6 years ago, you're mistaken. He's always been a player running hot and cold.

What does disappoint me with his game though, is that he hasn't polished his crossing/finishing. These are skills that he should be able to improve after all these years.
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Originally posted by darko:
<strong> You could point a finger at most the players, including Keane, at various times during the season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What the feck? :confused: You could point the finger at Keane last season. What team were you watching?
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Originally posted by Legend12:
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Giggs is rubbish and has been for a number of years I have repeatedly said here a number of times that he should be sold would get good money for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:eek: :rolleyes:
Incredible.
Well if you call being one of the few players in the Premiership who can run at pace with the ball at his feet and terrify defenders 'rubish' then I would love to see what sort of player you rate! Giggs terrorises teams in Europe every time United play. Italian teams rate him so highly that they try and man-mark him with two players leaving more space of the rest of the United attackers. He's a fecking legend and he still has a very important role to play for United. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
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Giggs is a legend. I can't believe there are people saying he has been rubbish for three years. Thats freakin bollocks. Giggs is the one player we miss most when he is absent, and he has generally been brilliant for the past few seasons. He run Deporvito ragged. Have the masses forgetten? how fickle.
 
Giggs is very inconsistent. Out of 15 matches he will have 1 decent game. That for me is simply not acceptable.

For those of us who are partially blind let's examine the evidence. Giggs has no right foot and as a result can not go inside on his right foot like Overmars, Pires or Duff. His crossing is a joke. You'd think he would stay behind in training and practice on his right foot and crossing.

Also he is guaranteed to miss 15-20 games every year with a hamstring injury. I think it's time for a change.
 
Originally posted by Enrique Deschamps:
<strong>I hate Keane and I am a United fan, he is always breaking the "apparent" harmony that is at the club.
Why does he have to make those kinds of revelations?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You hate Keane and your a United fan. I seriously hope you are the only one boy!
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It's just a book. :rolleyes: Scratch that, it's just some extracts sensationalised by the media! So what if Keane said that some of the players played below par last season? It's true and we can all see it. I love Giggs to death, but last season he was one of those players. But that doesn't mean that he should be sold to whatever Italian club some of you are talking about. I'm sure he'll come good this season, given his ability. And why would anyone question his hunger? (Heck those 'insider's info')Many a times he has bailed United out of sticky situations with his brillance! Giggs is United through and through, and so is Keane.

I really don't understand the big fuss about Keane's autobiography. It's just a book.
 
Yes, Giggs was bad in some of the big games where we expected more of him....but lets not throw out our toys....because a few did not put in the tackles last year.....Keane and Beckham included with the likes of Scholes and Veron...

I just hope this is not the start of Giggsy battering this year....Last year it was Veron...

I dont think Giggsy is a bottler - just off form or lacking the hunger....sell him if he is not good enough but dont chop him down...HE's a legend (IMHO).
 
Originally posted by 2Bullish:
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I certainly cannot remember when I could point a finger at Keane, he was/is by far are most consistent player. Giggs has been poor and often flatters to decieve. Scholes and the Nevilles were all very poor last season and Veron did shoulder the blame for the squad.

I don't believe Keane is out of order of FOS he is the captain, it is his job to tell it like it is. Also, lets not forget that Fergie has backed Keane with his book, surely that says it all.</strong><hr></blockquote>


It's a hell of alot easier to play with more consistency, if you play the way Roy Keane plays. They way Giggs plays, he's certain to have more inconsistent performances. But, let's face it, Giggs is our only regular player who will take anybody on. Keane certainly doesn't. Nor do Veron, Beckham and Butt. Scholes will occasionally takes the ball for a run down the middle. What the hell is Giggs meant to do? He draws 2 or 3 players everytime he has the ball. Why aren't the rest of the midfielders using this to their advantage. Without Giggs, we'd be dead in Europe.

Which brings me to our weaknesses again. No one to use our right flank. Buying Veron was a mistake. Not because he not a great player. But, he's not what United needed. A player like Dyer would have been more usefull for United. He could play RM and Beckham could play in the middle. The reason why the 4-5-1 didn't work wasn't because Scholes could play a more advanced role. It was a result of not having both speed and ball handling abilty from our RB and/or RM. If we had another 'Giggs' to play RW and a better RB ( Brown over Neville) we solve our most of our problems in Europe.

Just look at todays game in Hungary. We sould blow these clubs away. But, we don't. Just ask youself why? It's not because of Ryan Giggs.
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Originally posted by Rory 7:
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What the feck? :confused: You could point the finger at Keane last season. What team were you watching?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Let's just say last season was nowhere near Keane's best. It was Beckham, OGS and RVN who carried the squad most of the time.
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Another very ineffective performance by Giggs. Some things never change
 
Originally posted by Due South:
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sell him if he is not good enough but dont chop him down...HE's a legend (IMHO).</strong><hr></blockquote>

how you can tell people not to say anything about giggs if you are willing to let him go? you are right about one thing though, he's a fecking legend, so everyone should just shut the feck up.
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