Couldn't have put it better amol......and as a consequence I won't even try. It's really very simple and not psychologically deep rooted. I think it probably baffles deep thinkers because....y'know...they think too much.
Getting emotionally invested in transfers
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Couldn't have put it better amol......and as a consequence I won't even try. It's really very simple and not psychologically deep rooted. I think it probably baffles deep thinkers because....y'know...they think too much.
I was referencing this, it's also my perception that some fans are more interested with who's on the pitch rather than what's actually happening on the pitch, it's fine, each to their own as I said, I just find it very strange.
feel free to carry on over reacting though, also was houlier intentional?
You know there's quite a possibility he did both at the same time? Watching football matches AND posting on a thread? Does that mean he loves tranfer sagas more than watching United play football? Certainly meant holier was a typo.
No that's not the point at all. I was referring to certain posters on here who act like every other United fan on here is some kind of retard. Duafc might not be one of those but as I've mentioned in other threads as well, the whole whining about the muppets is much more annyoing than the muppets themselves, because those whining really love to make a big deal out of nothing.
Like saying some enjoy our transfer sagas more than our football which I don't think can be true.
Anyway if ppl felt attacked by that post I'm sorry, I probably went a tad over the top. I am like that at times.
People are going to get emotionally invested in transfers because they're human. Sign a bad player and the moods grim. Sign a great player and everyones laughing and joking. Why? Sign a bad player and it won't help you. Sign a good player and suddenly you're optimistic about your teams chances. People that don't get into the spirt, simply don't love the game as much.
In a guideless and godless universe the muppet is left to create his own. In the great futile search for reason and purpose, who has not sought a surrogate meaning in an action or process that might be looked down upon by others. What heartlessness is it that seeks to strip a muppet of his one chance to clean the slate, or simply build upon what he has. Who can begrudge him that hopeful glance through the wonderful window of dreams, behind which lies mythical South Americans, cigarette trees and centre midfielders. Are we to deny him the simple catharsis of seeing an unwanted player transferred out and crush his hopes of a potential new signing coming in.
Who is to say that to question the muppets reasoning, in an attempt to dictate his emotional investments, is any less an exercise in vanity than the fury of a hundred muppets on deadline day.
Who is to say that to question the muppets reasoning, in an attempt to dictate his emotional investments, is any less an exercise in vanity than the fury of a hundred muppets on deadline day.
In my opinion, a lot of people who say they like football don't really like football. What they're into is the trappings that go along with the game. That's not to say that they don't follow Manchester United or care about whether the team wins or loses, but it's the status of being a fan that they're after more than anything. I think what that means for a lot of younger supporters, in practice, is that they express much of this fandom through things like videogames: FIFA, PES, Football Manager, etc. The problem is that those games incommensurately reward collecting superstars in the squad over and above having a well-balanced set of players from which the manager picks the best XI for a particular game or tactic.
I reckon a lot of football fans (from every team) would prefer their favourite club sign someone who'd be effective in online games of FIFA rather than one who'd perhaps give a little more on the pitch over the course of a long season. And until their manager actually does that, they'll never quite be happy.
I reckon a lot of football fans (from every team) would prefer their favourite club sign someone who'd be effective in online games of FIFA rather than one who'd perhaps give a little more on the pitch over the course of a long season. And until their manager actually does that, they'll never quite be happy.
You've made a lot of sweeping assumptions there.
I'm not applying it sweepingly though, just to a certain subset of people.
How big is your subset? 5? 10? 10000? Higher the number is, higher your sweep is.
How on earth do you think I could possibly tell you that?
I can't exactly conduct a wide-scale survey to tell you how many people think that way, but I've met quite a few who do.
I never once alluded to the number of people that applied to. You seem to have tried to shoehorned that dimension in yourself.
That's because, imagine this, Redcafe is an internet discussion forum. The mention if twitter is quite frankly bizarre. It's like complaining that there are a lot of people on this thing called twitter who keep telling you stuff. Actually, it's not like that, it is that.
I don't understand this thread at all. The entire point of the Caf is for people to discuss anything and everything related to the club they support and love. Some people are more interested in transfers than others, I just don't see why that would be a concern to anyone. Perhaps people would rather go back to the past, when information was sparse and speculation was by necessity at a minimum. But that is not the world we live in, and it's certainly not the world of Redcafe. So what, some people are voicing their concerns with the United transfer policy. I can only imagine the entire transfer forum exists to discuss transfer news or the lack thereof.
I don't give a shit about Facebook, so I stay off it. People who don't care about other people's opinions on transfer news should stay out of the transfer forum.
Do you think I go in the transfer forum? It's part of the homepage. I only navigate via that page.
And it's not the discussion of transfers that bothers people, it's the passion with which they are discussed, and the fragile state of mind of these people when they inevitably go down the shitter. It'd be like being on a Liverpool forum when they had a load of members who genuinely expected them to win the league, and then went mental when they come 6th.
I think you've misunderstood the whole situation.
In a nutshell, this.
I think you've misunderstood the whole forum. I mean, come on. "Fragile state of mind"? Talk about using pointlessly aggressive words, here. And not very accurate ones, at that. Whether you agree with it or not, the transfer forum has become a more light-hearted football forum.
Do you really think people are as upset about losing out on transfers as they make out, or as excited about the latest twitter gossip? Some people, sometimes, perhaps. Mostly, though, it's just the way of things. These megathreads wouldn't be half as long if everyone took it entirely serious. This is probably the most serious thread in the transfer forum in 2013, and as a result it's also the most boringly pointless one.
Well, you just said, 'most of the younger generation football fans are into buying superstars than balanced squad', on the basis of a few people you met and applied it to most of the younger generation. If that isn't a sweeping generalization, then what is? Give over Dante.
The extensive reporting of transfers and the constant speculation is obviously partly responsible for this. The media are absolutely obsessed with it, so that is bound to leak into how people perceive the game.
Really though, I don't think there is too much need with something like this to explain it any more depth than the fact that people are excited about the prospect of such and such a player playing for their club, and the benefits that stem from that. The extent to which this happens is dependant on the person and why they like the club or want it to succeed, but it's a harmless thing in any case. Going any deeper into it than that is moving into the realm of trying to determine what it is that makes people support a football club and enjoy football, which is a more complex thing to explore. It's also particular to the person.
I think most of the fixation with transfers on here is largely comical and half-serious. The Thiago thread was a great laugh a lot of the time; you obviously have people that get a bit carried away and start sticking the knife into Moyes/the club without any reasonable cause, but they're outnumbered 10-1 by the cock out brigade and the people having a laugh.
Really though, I don't think there is too much need with something like this to explain it any more depth than the fact that people are excited about the prospect of such and such a player playing for their club, and the benefits that stem from that. The extent to which this happens is dependant on the person and why they like the club or want it to succeed, but it's a harmless thing in any case. Going any deeper into it than that is moving into the realm of trying to determine what it is that makes people support a football club and enjoy football, which is a more complex thing to explore. It's also particular to the person.
I think most of the fixation with transfers on here is largely comical and half-serious. The Thiago thread was a great laugh a lot of the time; you obviously have people that get a bit carried away and start sticking the knife into Moyes/the club without any reasonable cause, but they're outnumbered 10-1 by the cock out brigade and the people having a laugh.
For once (I am sure it has happened before, but you know, for dramatic effect) I agree with KE7. This is both a result of the information age that society at large is now a part of, and really quite harmless fun. I certainly don't see why it would bother anyone enough to feel the need to start a whole thread about it. It definitely shouldn't be in this forum, that's for sure.
There are also those of us who might be interested in discussing transfers but rarely venture into the cesspool that is the transfer forum. We're not saying "don't talk about transfers". We're saying "don't talk about transfers like spastics".
What/How people spend their time is nobody else's concern really. Everyone here would rather see the football but its not on at the moment. The summer business, who comes in/who goes out has a direct impact on the football anyways and hence the interest. Its transfers relating to our club and hence the interest and involvement in what goes on. What might be normal for some might be very excessive for others. Their call really. If they have nothing better to do than talk endlessly about fabregas or thiago, so be it. End of the day, we're all on a forum discussing things. Different people engage at different levels.
To be fair Eboue, before I started playing Werewolves, I was thinking the same about WW games. Muppets may feel the same way about the guys who play werewolves.
Why the need to tell them what to do though mate? Its not as if those that have hundreds of posts in the thiago or fabregas transfer thread ask people to join in? Those who dont want to can simply stay away. I dont see why people need to tell others what to do and how to spend time on an internet forum. Am sure Niall doesnt mind it all for example, in the off season, it brings a lot of traffic to the site. Once the football starts, this will automatically cool off.
I really like the new thread naming system in this regard. You dont even have to enter the thread to know what's the latest actual news rather than endless transfer stories from twitter.
I get that concern, but honestly it is the way it is because a lot of people want it that way. Unless the modmins are going to come ahead with a decree from the heavens, a stern telling off isn't going to change that.
Yes, but we are talking about the quality of the forum. People getting into arguments over lies created by tabloids is pretty tedious reading.
Suppose it would still be a case of simply read a different thread if finding it tedious
I get the transfer forum. People are bored over the summer, they want to discuss anything, and this is what it is. But it's easy for me to avoid the boring bits, whilst the mods can't really.
What I can never understand, however, is people posting whilst matches are on, in any thread, let alone ones that actually have nothing to do with the match itself.
What I can never understand, however, is people posting whilst matches are on, in any thread, let alone ones that actually have nothing to do with the match itself.
Most of the discussion is either people talking in hyperbole to have fun or people taking it a step ahead and discussing how the transfer would impact the team next season etc. The minority that use it as something to blame the club are the ones that need to be dealt with but they are a minority who just need an excuse to somehow find faults with the club they support for whatever reason. They'l do that in the transfer thread, they'l do it in the football thread over starting lineups, substitutions etc. Hard to blame the others or tell them not to do certain things because of that.
The thiago thread for instance had a lot of funny posts, made for a good reading. The fabregas one is sadder but I really think our lack of quality at CM and the anticipation that has built as a result has a lot to do with it. People wont care as much if we're linked with a CB for instance.
As moses mentioned, it's a quality issue. Personally, I don't want to get into discussions based on twitter or tabloid nonsense but I wouldn't mind discussing the occasional transfer on here. It just becomes impossible to wade through a tide of shit in order to do so. It discourages good discussions, IMO.
Can understand that people would want the quality of posting in here to be maintained, but I think by and large the level of debate even in the transfer forum is still pretty high for the most part. No doubt people still have a tendency to presume and to take the lies of the media as infallible truths, but I find the bitter monomania of someone like Peterstorey more of an eyesore to be honest, who people assume is on a wind up because 95% of what he says is either utterly retarded or provocative.
The match day forum is a lot worse. Many toys being thrown out of many prams in there when we don't play well.
The match day forum is a lot worse. Many toys being thrown out of many prams in there when we don't play well.
No proper football on show, combined with pre-season boredom. Basically the only thing to talk about or discuss with no football being played.
Hyperbole and fun, yes, but it's almost all based on fabrications. That is what the general is for?
As for it's worth as a football discussion, we may as well be discussing our playstation teams as if they were real?
Transfer discussions will always have the hypothetical angle though and hence will always be more tedious than normal football discussions i believe. We've had talks of having a "good source only" thread dedicated exclusively to news but then that'd be restricted to news only.
Discussion about transfers will always be tedious i believe. Too tough to regulate the sources people use to form opinions. Even if you disallow twitter for instance, people will still read whats posted there and that'd influence their discussion here.
So you are defending what are by your own admission, fundamentally tedious discussions. I just don't get it.
Just get your locking stick out.
General's for non football stuff, so no, that's not what the general is for. The transfer forum is there to keep the actual football threads clean of the nonsense, which it does. Some take it seriously, while others have fun when they're online. And big difference between discussing what adding a fabregas would do to the club and discussing your playstation team moses, cmon.
Nah, if I was to be moderating on personal whim, me and you wouldn't be having this exchange.
Because unless mods intend to regulate all posts on the forum, its best to keep the tedious discussion limited to a particular area, which the transfer forum does. Remove it and people will discuss transfer stories in the football forum.
You're telling me we have over 200 pages discussing what Fabregas would add to the team? I think it's you that needs to 'cmon'.