Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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I want to be able to celebrate goals against Pool again without them being taken away by a corrupt system helping them.
Because Mike Riley, who is head of the PGMOL, has decided it would slow the game down, I don't see how it would be any worse then watching the ref with a finger to his ear.
Also in the A League they broadcast the refs discussion when VAR is being used, our TV companies have access to that feed but are banned from doing so, allow them to broadcast it
Excellent thread, it seems like the solution to the marginal offsides is going to have to be very well thought out do that it doesn't have a number of knock on issues.
I agree with your general point that we need to eliminate these millimeter offsides, but with every "x cm leeway" suggestion there's going to be a discussion of whether it's actually x+1cm or x-1 cm, so it just moves the problem a couple of centimeters forward.
I really do think that a lot could be gained by using the frame before and after though as it's arbitrary which frame is used when they judge the offside.
I also think that a challenge system, where teams could challenge any call (while running the risk of losing a challenge), would be good.
That way, VAR doesn't have to check every decision and the onus is on the team that feels aggrieved to challenge the call. For example, the Wolves goal probably would've stood since nobody even considered that to be an offside worthy of challenging, which I think everyone considers a fair outcome, and Wolves could specifically challenge the van Dijk handball.
If they used challenges they could challenge any decision, and if the call is overturned then they get to keep the challenge. So for example we could've challenged the Williams "dive" and got Bardsley sent off instead by forcing a VAR check (or forcing the ref to go to the monitor and review, in which case it doesn't have to be clear and obvious since it's the main ref changing his mind on a situation that he sees again). Now the usual counter-argument to this is "won't teams use it to waste time?". Probably, yes, but they would be idiots to waste time by forcing a VAR check on an obvious throw in because that check would take three seconds, and they'd be idiots to waste their challenges on those calls if the other team ends up scoring a handball goal in the 93rd minute that is missed by the referees.
Where does the challenge making employee stand? In the technical area? Is he allowed to roam the pitch? Use an ipad maybe?
I doubt the manager will have his eyes constantly on every part of the game so this would surely be the job of someone else.
honestly, some of these suggestions just to fit var into the game
I doubt the manager will have his eyes constantly on every part of the game so this would surely be the job of someone else.
honestly, some of these suggestions just to fit var into the game
The problem arrises when a guy just look at it, because you do want to get it right. They will have to decide to write down that rule about forwards getting the benefit of the doubt. If not you will have people arguing in the VAR room, someone guessing offside and someone guessing not. At that point, you might as well have one guy doing the guessing. Hopefully they'll find a way because it is really not that hard. I don't see the sense in arguing about frame rates, angles and lines when their whole approach is so clearly wrong.
This guy knows his stuff and is worth paying attention to if you're interested in all this VAR malarkey.
The two problems would be that:
1) It's really difficult to account for the perspective of the camera without using any lines whatsoever. We've already seen plenty of decisions this year that looked offside/onside on first glance only to be proven to be the other once the lines were drawn in.
2) Broadcasters won't be restricted to not using those lines, which means fans quickly know a mistake has been made (or indeed will wrongly believe a mistake has been made when the broadcasters use inaccurate lines as "proof"). Which means one problem has simply been traded for another. "I'm sick of these marginal offside calls" is replaced by "what's the point of VAR if it can't even get these obvious offside calls right". Hardly massive progress.
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Sounds like next year the close ones which look off but give the decision to the attacker will be the ones to complain about.
Doesn't sound like a complete solution to me, tbh.
Doesn't sound like a complete solution to me, tbh.
Henry hand ball, France v Republic.
I really hope the hysterical reaction to it by a vocal minority doesn't prompt the Premier League to scrap it next year. Doesn't seem likely, but it can still happen.
With the ridiculous tight ’offside’ goals disallowed lately, I’m afraid that they will have to continue in the same vein until the end of the season.
You can’t have them changing it halfway through, because that makes it unfair on the previous disallowed goals.
You can’t have them changing it halfway through, because that makes it unfair on the previous disallowed goals.
VAR is clearly being sabotaged by Premier League refs. There is no other reason for it.
This is beyond ridiculous now, the Villa goal wasn't even in the same phase of play. 
Same thoughts...
Love it.
The offside rule/guidelines will be adjusted and that will take away a lot of the criticism.
VAR is going nowhere.
it used to be that the attacker should get the advantage if there is any doubt. This forensic analysis is unnecessary, and I’m not convinced by its accuracy to the mm that’s being claimed.
it is not a clear and obvious error when it takes 20 replays and minutes to determine a goal is offside because the attackers knee is a mm offside.
it used to be that the attacker should get the advantage if there is any doubt. This forensic analysis is unnecessary, and I’m not convinced by its accuracy to the mm that’s being claimed.
it is not a clear and obvious error when it takes 20 replays and minutes to determine a goal is offside because the attackers knee is a mm offside.
Just do it by the feet they said.
I genuinely never understand arguments like this. The analogy I always compare it with is it was unfair to scrap the death penalty because of all the people who were previously executed.
If something is wrong you fix it. Not continue to compound problems because people have already suffered.
No penalty for handball there against Alderweireld. 
Liverpool are the only team who get those kind of decisions, sorry Southampton fans.
Liverpool are the only team who get those kind of decisions, sorry Southampton fans.
Refs doing what refs do best.
Suck.
Suck.
How could Mike Dean (who had a clear view) and the VAR referee between them not spot that
The inconsistency is killing it. How was this not a pen against Alderweireld? We all knew PL refs are useless so I am not surprised Dean hasn’t given it but ffs they can’t even make a good decision even after watching 15 replays.
Some EPL referees want to show us they are above the rules of the game.
I've not seen the incident but the way VAR works if Dean said he saw it but didn't think it was deliberate then VAR wouldn't overturn, so it all depends on what Dean said he saw
That guidance (actually didn't know about it before) is probably why I don't really experience offside drama to this extent when watching Bundesliga.
It's a fecking farce. City v Everton.
VAR
A disgrace. It’s been a complete failure. This last act here is all that wrong with the system.
They Couldn’t work out what happened so stuck with the original free kick for offside even though it was shown not to be offside. That’s after the cluster feck of red blowing whistle for offside and then it being checked for a pen
what the feck is going on with this, it’s a mess
What a joke, that just there might have been the worse use as of yet...
I apologize to those who were skeptical of VAR that I dismissed or criticized. This implementation is horrendous and I didn't imagine referees would try to purposely sabotage it.
Offside call on City was for once clear and obvious and didn't even need all the fancy lines. That penalty call though was a farce, couldn't tell if they were looking at offside, foul, handball?! Amazing passage
For what reason. They checked if it was a penalty on Mahrez (also having to check offside and handball in the process), then decided it wasn't. No big deal.
It was a mess. If var was checking for handball or pen then it wasn’t offside. So why have the free kick For offside?
I think var man just shit his pants there.
also the lino shouldn’t have flagged and the ref shouldn’t whistle, he whistled around or before samtime as contact in the box. It was a mess
Eh, because the whistle and flag had gone up well before
No idea about the freekick, they probably just gave one because Everton should have been in possession of the ball after Mahrez lost it but IDK. The VAR checks we're absolutely fine though.
So it’s no big deal even though you don’t know what went on? Makes sense.
how can they be fine if they went with an incorrrect call