See, that's a FK for me. Keep your arms out of the way. Especially if you're hammering defenders with a penalty for something similar. The hand affects the defence's ability to defend?
And you're giving referees leeway to be lashing it up.
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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See, that's a FK for me. Keep your arms out of the way. Especially if you're hammering defenders with a penalty for something similar. The hand affects the defence's ability to defend?
And you're giving referees leeway to be lashing it up.
Interesting but ultimately they're just guessing. Why aren't they officially announcing the reasoning for using or not VAR for every big incident ? Especially if they are discouraging the use of pitch-side reviews. Didn't they do it for the KO stages of the Champions League last year ? That would clear up a lot of questions that everyone (pro or anti-VAR) have for any given game.
It should have been a pen imo, he had his hands all over him.
I agree, it's boring, you just have to skip posts from these 2 users.
This is the single thing they've got most wrong about VAR so far imo, they've been terrible at communicating to the fans what's happening and why. Which is annoying as that's something they should have absolutely been able to forsee as an issue before ever introducing VAR. If you're going to make a change that big you have to explain to people how it works on an ongoing basis.
I mean just by being on a football forum where we can discuss VAR we're probably all more tuned in to what's going on than most fans, yet there is still confusion after various decisions as we try to piece together why X was given and Y wasn't.
I do agree with you that with experimentation, as the system is meant to stay for a while, they refine and improve on it. In some instances though, VAR has nothing to do with the frustration generated by some decisions. I think it's important to acknowledge that VAR should be improved upon but also that VAR and the new rules are two separate things.
Oh should I? It’s a possibility- there’s a poster or two on here saying we should review throw ins & everything to make sure we get the ‘correct’ result.
Reality is that VAR is clearly obviously shite yet posters defend it & even want to increase how often it’s used.
That’s insanity
Pick a position. Everyone will.
But any suggestion that the natural forward motion is a week long lag between announcing results... it’s pathetic. Just stop.
You have no idea where it’ll end. In order to get the ‘correct ‘ result.
There was a game a season ago where the game was ‘finished’ for the half yet the ref brought them back on the pitch for a penalty var had spotted.
It's so stupid, the referees already have to write a post-game report. It should be made public, they will be boring lingo 9 times out of 10 bu when something goes wrong we'd have something instead of trying to read minds.
I'm sure something ridiculous will happen this year in the PL. Maybe worse than that. But it will all be for the greater good. Have faith.
Some 15-20 seconds too long to check, but ok, they will get faster.
VAR sucks.
Eh? Looked offside on the footage to me.
First EPL experience of VAR. God awful. Perfect is overrated.
Why was it allowed? Jota's pass to Mourinho was made while being offside.
But how? They had lines and everything, clearly on.
It depends when they take the still. There are a number of frames where the ball is still touching the foot of the player making the pass, if they’d picked a different frame for the analysis it would have been ruled offside. This is one thing they really need to figure out.
This’ll only work if it’s much quicker. They need to get people trained up so they can do all that shit in 10-15 seconds and make a more informed choice, rather than make a spectacle of it or take ages to get it correct down to the millimetre.
Just a quick glance at a slow mo there would’ve been enough to see it was inside. Was it necessary to draw the line up to his shoulder? feckin hell even if his shoulder was 3 inches offside it’d be very hard to give
Just a quick glance at a slow mo there would’ve been enough to see it was inside. Was it necessary to draw the line up to his shoulder? feckin hell even if his shoulder was 3 inches offside it’d be very hard to give
I know its not within the scope of VAR but previous to the goal we should had a corner and ref missed it. But VAR can do nothing about it and it changed the game completely.
They use the first frame where it's touching the foot.
Hmm, relative to Rashford who I assume was the last man. The line looked passed Rashford.
Wasn't it a backward pass, and therefore not offside? Or am I missing something?
Surely it should be the last frame?
It was relative to the ball, the ball was passed slightly backwards
Surprise surprise var is Shite. Picking & choosing where it gets involved
Nope. The offside counts from the moment of contact with the ball, not the moment contact ends.
A few weeks from now, a VAR decision will go our way and we'll be praising it.
Why was VAR not used to confirm that the pass into Lingard in the box earlier in the second half was actually touched by the defender and should have been a corner? Corners are considered goal scoring opportunities.
The fact that VAR was used for their goal shows the problem. When you have to slow it down, replay it that many times and still have people arguing afterwards, it's not a clear and obvious error (if it had been one).
It was an offside. "Clear and obvious error" has never applied to offsides.
It should though. If VAR is going to work (and by work I mean not ruining the flow of the game), it should only be used in situation where everyone (barring the most biased, delusional people) will look at the footage and agree.
You'd have to change the offside law then, I think. The new handball rule too.
I hate the current use of VAR, but when you see so many human errors during a game it shows the need for us to keep working on technology.
Sack off all referees and replace them by cyborgs I say.
Sack off all referees and replace them by cyborgs I say.
No, you simply have to tweak the VAR use.
Is the Wolves player's head offside ? On the first replay i thought he was on, but the weird angle show maybe a part of his head being off. I also thought Pogba was a dive but there is contact on his left foot, he does sell it a bit but a pen is the right decision.
This is how I interpreted it.
Farcical today when a freekick is awarded and a yellow card, yet the VAR guys are sitting on their hands for all that time when the ball is dead, and won't tell the ref about a mistake he can easily rectify.
VAR is the future. But it's too far from ready for top flight use.
VAR is the future. But it's too far from ready for top flight use.
I don’t see how you can have any confidence in the decisions when you see the check basically consists of drawing a line with Microsoft Paint.
And there’s no consistency either. One minute they are saying they will let play go and not stop attacks. Next minute they are sticking the flag up incorrectly and you’re just supposed to live with it.
And what’s the point of having it if it’s not going to correct things like incorrectly not giving corners? You haven’t made the right decision. It’s meant to be a corner and you’ve given a goal kick. That seems pretty clear and obvious to me. Certainly more than ruling out a goal because the player is possibly half a millimetre offside like some of these early season decisions. It’s infuriating!
And there’s no consistency either. One minute they are saying they will let play go and not stop attacks. Next minute they are sticking the flag up incorrectly and you’re just supposed to live with it.
And what’s the point of having it if it’s not going to correct things like incorrectly not giving corners? You haven’t made the right decision. It’s meant to be a corner and you’ve given a goal kick. That seems pretty clear and obvious to me. Certainly more than ruling out a goal because the player is possibly half a millimetre offside like some of these early season decisions. It’s infuriating!
VAR is shit, it's just adding more unneeded in depth analysis. It should be used only for ridiculous decisions like the Arsenal mistaken identity sending off a few years ago.
Still funny when it goes against City and Liverpool.
Still funny when it goes against City and Liverpool.
Don't think so. Offside is technically an objective rather than a subjective decision, which makes it difficult to grant VAR leeway. "Clear and obvious error" can currently only be applied to subjective decisions, so AFAIAA the offside rule would need to change before VAR can do anything other than strict rulings on offside calls. Because getting an objective call wrong is in effect a clear error.