Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)

[MikeeMike]

See the post above. If that’s the stance then keepers just lost any hope of saving penalties.

For me , the original penalty was very harsh. DdG off the line and so as per rules it should be retaken.
But.
Why did it take so long to decide the retake? What if a team scored in the interim?
Why was C.Palace player encroachment on retake not spotted.
Also the BBC doesnt help with Jenas saying “common sense should be used” ( for DdG just over line). Sorry , but that makes a mockery of any VAR ruling. Apply the rules, but consistently across all games.

 

[MikeeMike]

Having penalties retaken for the keeper having their foot slightly off the line is nonsense. If they're charging out and both feet are off the line fair enough, but there has to be common sense applied.

Sorry, do not agree. Otherwise you have to define “common sense”. It is a binary decision.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Why was C.Palace player encroachment on retake not spotted.

It’s not an offence of the rules so it’s irrelevant.

 

[Nas-JR]

For me , the original penalty was very harsh. DdG off the line and so as per rules it should be retaken.
But.
Why did it take so long to decide the retake? What if a team scored in the interim?
Why was C.Palace player encroachment on retake not spotted.
Also the BBC doesnt help with Jenas saying “common sense should be used” ( for DdG just over line). Sorry , but that makes a mockery of any VAR ruling. Apply the rules, but consistently across all games.

Well let's break down what you said.

If a team scored in the interim, it doesn't count. Obviously.
Encroachment does not matter if it doesn't affect the outcomes of the penalty; i.e. if it goes in, then it doesn't matter ( I still don't get why fans can't grasp this).
The rules have been changed for this season. VAR is being applied for looking at keepers coming off the line so bringing up what was done last year or the year before is a moot point. I am pretty certain this rule will be applied consistently as it is pretty straightforward to enact.

Obviously there has been other changes like the handball rule, the leeway with offsides etc. so using the example of previous seasons makes no sense as it is not an equal comparison. Nevertheless, I'm sure will be some inconsistencies but OVERALL the tweaks to VAR this year appear to be much better (offside rule and red card in particular). It just needs to be judged after 10 gameweeks not 1 (just like how united need to be judged this way!)

 

[Zlatan 7]

Well let's break down what you said.

If a team scored in the interim, it doesn't count. Obviously.
Encroachment does not matter if it doesn't affect the outcomes of the penalty; i.e. if it goes in, then it doesn't matter ( I still don't get why fans can't grasp this).
The rules have been changed for this season. VAR is being applied for looking at keepers coming off the line so bringing up what was done last year or the year before is a moot point. I am pretty certain this rule will be applied consistently as it is pretty straightforward to enact.

Obviously there has been other changes like the handball rule, the leeway with offsides etc. so using the example of previous seasons makes no sense as it is not an equal comparison. Nevertheless, I'm sure will be some inconsistencies but OVERALL the tweaks to VAR this year appear to be much better (offside rule and red card in particular). It just needs to be judged after 10 gameweeks not 1 (just like how united need to be judged this way!)

Does a sending off count?

 

[Nas-JR]

Does a sending off count?

Count for what?

 

[Zlatan 7]

You said goals obviously don’t count if play is pulled back which is fair enough, I just wondered would a card stand

 

[stevoc]

Sorry, do not agree. Otherwise you have to define “common sense”. It is a binary decision.

It’s easy to define it though. If at the time the ball is struck the keeper has only came off his line by a few mm with one or both feet (as opposed to being well off their line) as DeGea did on Saturday then there’s no need for the penalty to be retaken. Simple.

It’s a nonsense rule that probably would have seen 80-90%+ of penalties retaken over the years.

 

[lysglimt]

Molde on their way out of Europe after a horrible VAT-interpretation. First they dont get a penalty when the defender blocks the ball with the elbow - and then Fenerbache get a penalty when a Molde-player gets hit even higher on the arm by a rocket from short range.

Var is a big joke

 

[MikeeMike]

It’s easy to define it though. If at the time the ball is struck the keeper has only came off his line by a few mm with one or both feet (as opposed to being well off their line) as DeGea did on Saturday then there’s no need for the penalty to be retaken. Simple.

It’s a nonsense rule that probably would have seen 80-90%+ of penalties retaken over the years.

Makes no sense. Then , if a keeper is 1mm over your “few mm” rule then a new common sense would need applying. Its very simple to apply stay on line rule.

 

[MikeeMike]

Well let's break down what you said.

If a team scored in the interim, it doesn't count. Obviously.
Encroachment does not matter if it doesn't affect the outcomes of the penalty; i.e. if it goes in, then it doesn't matter ( I still don't get why fans can't grasp this).
The rules have been changed for this season. VAR is being applied for looking at keepers coming off the line so bringing up what was done last year or the year before is a moot point. I am pretty certain this rule will be applied consistently as it is pretty straightforward to enact.

Obviously there has been other changes like the handball rule, the leeway with offsides etc. so using the example of previous seasons makes no sense as it is not an equal comparison. Nevertheless, I'm sure will be some inconsistencies but OVERALL the tweaks to VAR this year appear to be much better (offside rule and red card in particular). It just needs to be judged after 10 gameweeks not 1 (just like how united need to be judged this way!)

Sorry, but stating “Encroachment does not matter if it doesn't affect the outcomes of the penalty; i.e. if it goes in, then it doesn't matter ( I still don't get why fans can't grasp this). “ Is simply wrong. Otherwise all players could stand in the box.

 

[MikeeMike]

It’s not an offence of the rules so it’s irrelevant.

It is an offence regardless of penalty outcome. Read Rule 14. If an attacking player encroaches and a goal is scored the it is retaken

 

[Nas-JR]

Sorry, but stating “Encroachment does not matter if it doesn't affect the outcomes of the penalty; i.e. if it goes in, then it doesn't matter ( I still don't get why fans can't grasp this). “ Is simply wrong. Otherwise all players could stand in the box.

Yes, but if at any point this encroachment alters the outcome of the penalty then it will be retaken or given as a foul if its the attacking team...I have no idea how YOU can't grasp that. An attacking player can stand in the middle of the goal as the pen is taken and will instantly give away a foul once it is... likewise a defending player can sit on the line and if the penalty is missed he will be deemed to have interfered and the pen is retaken and he is booked.

A player encroaching in the VAR era will never benefit this player or his team as he will always be punished if he became active. I don't understand how you don't see this as a positive!! All they have to do is not run into the box before the pen is taken. I guarantee you the amount of times it happens will slowly go down over the next few years which is a GOOD thing.

 

[Nas-JR]

You said goals obviously don’t count if play is pulled back which is fair enough, I just wondered would a card stand

I don't see why it would be any different! It might be that dangerous play might be punished still but I have no idea.

I am certainly no expert! Just presenting my view of what these rules are applied.

 

[stevoc]

Makes no sense. Then , if a keeper is 1mm over your “few mm” rule then a new common sense would need applying. Its very simple to apply stay on line rule.

You can’t be 1mm over a few mm, because a few mm is not defined mate. That’s where common sense comes in.

The VAR employs some common sense to avoid penalties having to be retaken unnecessarily. Which was the original point.

Having black and white rules with no common sense applied leads video being used and freezed frame by frame to rule out goals because someone’s head or kneecap was 2mm offside or rule out a good penalty save because a keepers foot was 3mm off the line.

It’s nonsense.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Letting these offside goals run and then checking is pathetic. Are they trying to kill celebrations on purpose!?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Letting these offside goals run and then checking is pathetic. Are they trying to kill celebrations on purpose!?

I think the lino didn't think that second one was offside.

The first one the flag went up immediately

 

[ghaliboy]

I've seen a lot of shit VAR but I've never seen the full time whistle blow and then an "old on, PEN!....... and that's full time now.." The Prem, eh.

 

[AlwaysTheKop]

Wait? VAR can be used AFTER the final whistle?
No hate, just genuinely interested in the rules.

 

[limerickcitykid]

So yea, it’s fantastic. Like always.

 

[limerickcitykid]

I've seen a lot of shit VAR but I've never seen the full time whistle blow and then an "old on, PEN!....... and that's full time now.." The Prem, eh.

There was one in Germany a couple years ago where they had all already left the pitch. I think it might have been half time instead of full time though.

 

[ghaliboy]

There was one in Germany a couple years ago where they had all already left the pitch. I think it might have been half time instead of full time though.

Gold . Technology.

 

[bleedred]

There was one in Germany a couple years ago where they had all already left the pitch. I think it might have been half time instead of full time though.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ck-penalty-half-time-mainz-freiburg-var-chaos

 

[Sad Chris]

At last a ref who is willing to admit he was wrong and correct his own decision.

 

[Bobski]

What would have happened if the keeper saved it, but the ball came straight back to Bruno, would the ref allow him to strike the ball again or would the game be considered over?

 

[calodo2003]

Worked the way it should have for the final penalty.

 

[Jean claude van hire]

Wait? VAR can be used AFTER the final whistle?
No hate, just genuinely interested in the rules.

If the handball occurred after the final whistle then no. Obviously the phase of play was still within the allotted time and hence it was the correct decision. United were extremely fortunate, no getting away from that, but the decision was one hundred percent correct and the post match analysis by the official confirmed this.

 

[Bobski]

At last a ref who is willing to admit he was wrong and correct his own decision.

Not surprised he missed it, the trajectory of the ball looked natural, still had plenty of power behind it.

 

[Liver_bird]

This handball rule is going to cause a lot of grief this season. I’m happy Fifa stepped in with their own directive after the PL’s farcical interpretation last season, but this rule is beyond parody. Any strike in the box at the arms of a defender is going to get given. Might be a record number of pens this season.

 

[RUCK4444]

It pulled us out of the shite again today, I still hate it more than ever.

 

[Bobski]

This handball rule is going to cause a lot of grief this season. I’m happy Fifa stepped in with their own directive after the PL’s farcical interpretation last season, but this rule is beyond parody. Any strike in the box at the arms of a defender is going to get given. Might be a record number of pens this season.

It is shite, totally against the spirit of the law and game, which is to stop players doing the old Terry/Henchoz trick of throwing their body at shots with arms wide, then feigning innocence. Much like the spirit of the idea of offside was to stop goal hanging, not toenail offsides.

 

[kiristao]

Letting these offside goals run and then checking is pathetic. Are they trying to kill celebrations on purpose!?

Would you rather they stop the play only for VAR to say it was not offiside but now the team has missed the chance to score a goal?

 

[kiristao]

It is shite, totally against the spirit of the law and game, which is to stop players doing the old Terry/Henchoz trick of throwing their body at shots with arms wide, then feigning innocence. Much like the spirit of the idea of offside was to stop goal hanging, not toenail offsides.

It was criminal how often Terry used to get away with it.

 

[K_Ash]

I really thought this would remove some of the mystique of the game; always imagine about the "Hand-of-god" being VARed..the excuses for some losses (Like England against Germany - if it wasn't for Lampard's, Germany would not have scored 4 goals . The game would have been different ).. But I love it (good or bad for my team)

 

[Zlatan 7]

Would you rather they stop the play only for VAR to say it was not offiside but now the team has missed the chance to score a goal?

I’d prefer if the assistant referee (linesmen) did their jobs and flagged instead of being petrified of making a wrong call because of VAR

 

[kiristao]

I’d prefer if the assistant referee (linesmen) did their jobs and flagged instead of being petrified of making a wrong call because of VAR

They do flag it. It's just that the play doesn't get stopped right away.
You need to chose between getting 100% accurate decisions and stress free celebrations. I would much rather have the right decision.

 

[Zlatan 7]

They do flag it. It's just that the play doesn't get stopped right away.
You need to chose between getting 100% accurate decisions and stress free celebrations. I would much rather have the right decision.

She didn’t flag and rashford was miles off.

if you’re one of these sticklers for the right decision where do you want it to stop? What about wrongly given corners That lead to goals, what about a blatant second yellow not being given, what about the numerous other things that affect the ‘correct decision’ and outcome of the game? It is only certain things that matter?

before long and I genuinely believe this,celebrations will be paused, delayed, muted untill all the checks are completed and then it’s time to celebrate, way to go.

 

[Wumminator]

What happens if a striker is offside, but the lines person keeps the flag down for a review.

the striker then wins a corner.

 

[Zlatan 7]

What happens if a striker is offside, but the lines person keeps the flag down for a review.

the striker then wins a corner.

Then it’s a corner It’s a joke

 

[cyberman]

She didn’t flag and rashford was miles off.

if you’re one of these sticklers for the right decision where do you want it to stop? What about wrongly given corners That lead to goals, what about a blatant second yellow not being given, what about the numerous other things that affect the ‘correct decision’ and outcome of the game? It is only certain things that matter?

before long and I genuinely believe this,celebrations will be paused, delayed, muted untill all the checks are completed and then it’s time to celebrate, way to go.

He wasnt miles offside. He was barely in front of the ball. BT made her out to be blind which was unfair