Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>He's not good enough for us... where as Baraja is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Baraja is a fine player. What age is he?
I wouldnt agree with the last part of your post though Giggzy. Gattuso has just won the european cup in a match in which he was probably man of the match in. He litterally was all over the pitch. There is room IMO for that kind of midfielder in our team, especially with Keane starting to wind down. Most of the better European sides these days have one who will sit and protect the back 4 and others who do the attacking. We dont particularly need the box to box type of player anymore. Gattuso would be fine sitting in there, with scholes, veron etc doing the attacking work.
That being said, IF fergie was looking at a new midfielder, id be happy with Gattuso, Baraja or Davids. They are all good players in their own right. I just like the talk that Gattuso has been coming out with recently, saying that he'd love to play for us.
Originally posted by mathiaslg:
<strong>Roy can't dribble past players any more than Gattuso can. Davids is, by far, the best in that department.
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nor can Vieira.... but thats not the point.
He's not the same type of player.
He's OK...if you like players who play with passion and can tackle and nowt else.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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nor can Vieira.... but thats not the point.
He's not the same type of player.
He's OK...if you like players who play with passion and can tackle and nowt else.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Eh? Vieria is reknowned for his driving runs through midfield.
Originally posted by JSV:
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Eh? Vieria is reknowned for his driving runs through midfield.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Like keane..
He doesn't have Davids' dribbling skills.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Like keane..
He doesn't have Davids' dribbling skills.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, not like Keane at all. Vieria regularly beats 2 and sometimes 3 players. How many times have you seen him just flick it over the head of a player and charge upfield? Very often is the answer. He can dribble and does it well.
Originally posted by JSV:
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No, not like Keane at all. Vieria regularly beats 2 and sometimes 3 players. How many times have you seen him just flick it over the head of a player and charge upfield? Very often is the answer. He can dribble and does it well.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agree. To see Vieira charge upfield is a majestic sight.
Originally posted by JSV:
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No, not like Keane at all. Vieria regularly beats 2 and sometimes 3 players. How many times have you seen him just flick it over the head of a player and charge upfield? Very often is the answer. He can dribble and does it well.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He can drive through a midfield... yes. but he's not got Davids' dribbling skills. I think Davids could beat most players in a one on one. I don't think Vieira could... Edgar Davids has got more skill than people give him credit for.. amazing player.
Having said that...I think Vieira would be a perfect replacement for Keane.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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He can drive through a midfield... yes. but he's not got Davids' dribbling skills. I think Davids could beat most players in a one on one. I don't think Vieira could... Edgar Davids has got more skill than people give him credit for.. amazing player.
Having said that...I think Vieira would be prefect replacement for Keane.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Drive upfield (surely that involves alot of dribbling?), dribble upfield etc. They all have the same purpose. I'm not saying Davids isn't a brilliant dribbler or anything, but drawing a comparison from that between Gattuso and Vieria in that area doesn't hold.
Originally posted by JSV:
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Drive upfield (surely that involves alot of dribbling?), dribble upfield etc. They all have the same purpose. I'm not saying Davids isn't a brilliant dribbler or anything, but drawing a comparison from that between Gattuso and Vieria in that area doesn't hold.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Never compared them.... Vieira's a magnificent box2box player... Gattuso's a tough tackling defensive midfielder..who doesn't have Vieira's ability to drive box to box.
Vieira's reminds me of Robson.. Robbo used to play quick one two's...had great passing skills and most importantly great passion and drive, to get through the midfield.
btw- Watch Davids closely next time..and you'll see what I mean... I've seen him do some awesome freestyle stuff.... stuff that Ryan Giggs would be envious of.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Never compared them.... Vieira's a magnificent box2box player... Gattuso's a tough tackling defensive midfielder..who doesn't have Vieira's ability to drive box to box.
Vieira's reminds me of abit of Robson.. Robbo used to play quick one two's...had great passing skills and most importantly great passion and drive.....to get through the midfield.
btw- Watch Davids closely next time..and you'll see what I mean... I've seen him do some awesome freestyle stuff.... stuff that Ryan Giggs would be envious of.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You said they had similar dribbling skills. i.e. Gattuso --> Keano --> Vieria. My point is that was stretching it.
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>at one time i would have loved to have seen Davids play for United alongside Keane. That would have been an awesome partnership. That dream has probably died though. Davids is class though & i dont see Juve letting him go too soon.
The point i was trying to make was the one Math made. Baraja and Davids are box to box but if United want to change the way they play then there is not many better at 'sitting' than Gattuso.
Dont get me wrong, i love Phil, Fortune and to a lesser extent Butt, but if we're going to improve, we have to buy players that are better than what we already have. I think Baraja, Gattuso and Davids fall into that category.
btw this is all speculation off course. Fergie prob isnt even after another midfielder (unless becks goes)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Gatusso could work with Veron... I agree with u on that one(sure u mentioned it earlier)
..and I wanted us to get Davids a few years ago aswell.
Originally posted by JSV:
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You said they had similar dribbling skills. i.e. Gattuso --> Keano --> Vieria. My point is that was stretching it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yeah he's better than Gattuso in that department. no doubt.(my mistake to compare them in that area)
Originally posted by dcrompton:
<strong>I'm slightly surprised with all these links to defensive CM (Makelele, Gattuso, Baraja, Xabi Alonso, Djemba Djemba). This is one position I don't really see utd having a problem with. I realise we need to find a long term Keane replacement, but I think he's still a presence in the middle of the park. Spare a thought for Nicky Butt. A year ago, on the back of the world cup I thought he would cement a regular spot in united's midfield, only to be hampered by injury. Similar to Fortune, who broke a leg after finally getting a run in the first team. Coupled with the possibilty of Fletcher breaking through next season, I think our transfer targets should lie in different positions</strong><hr></blockquote>
Honestly I also can't see we sign another player to replace Keano this summer. However this is a transfer forum so people can talk about any player they want to see in Old Trafford, no matter whether it is going to be happen or not.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>How old is Gattuso?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Gennaro Gattuso Ht:1.77 Wt:77 Age:25
Originally posted by kkcbl:
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Gennaro Gattuso Ht:1.77 Wt:77 Age:25</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks. His appearance looks older than his actual age
Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>I like the guy, plays with a passion, to be far to Davids he has a touch more flair. Either way i`d like to see one of them here next season.
P.S Fortune will come good i`m sure.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The main thing Fortune has to improve on is his strength on the ball & in tackle if he wants to make the grade in his new role as a holding midfielder - he has the skill, intelligence & a decent build already so it's a question of filling up at the right places!
Originally posted by kkcbl:
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The main thing Fortune has to improve on is his strength on the ball & in tackle if he wants to make the grade in his new role as a holding midfielder - he has the skill, intelligence & a decent build already so it's a question of filling up at the right places!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agree. He not only can be our holding midfielder, he can even be our box-to-box player if he can remain injury free and continue to progress. Compare with Butt and Neville, Fortune is more comfortable with the ball and has a much better vision to help the attack, as he is an attacking player originally.
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong> Gattuso Has the skill to replace on the long run Keano, something no one at OT has</strong><hr></blockquote>
Er, O'Shea? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">