Gary Neville, The Overlap Discussion and Predictions

Edwards6 said:
Don't agree with Neville about FFP, he thinks owners should be able to invest whatever they want but what about the clubs being stable long term? If owners bring in players on massive contracts higher than club revenue what happens if the owner decides to stop investing or walk away.
He also says FFP stops clubs like Brentford and Brighton going up the leagues but these clubs are proving you can do it if the club is run well.
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People keep trotting out these types of arguments despite endless examples that contradict it. Its the same that alleges some sort of elite bunch of clubs that are untouchable. Name me an Italian, Spanish or English club who in the last 20 years hasn't had a natural sporting decline that required rebuilding. Its a myth city fans use to feel better about themselves and the fact is if you removed their cheating at the same time Ferguson left United, you'd have had the most open PL and Fa cup spell in decades. Not to mention to league cup which they've basically made redundant since their second string wins it most years
 
Edwards6 said:
Don't agree with Neville about FFP, he thinks owners should be able to invest whatever they want but what about the clubs being stable long term? If owners bring in players on massive contracts higher than club revenue what happens if the owner decides to stop investing or walk away.
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He advocates for revenue caps to a point. Anything over a % revenue cap requires contingency funds ti be held in escrow, to safeguard against walking away.

I don’t necessarily agree with his views, but he does cover the scenario you’re talking about. He’s spoken about it plenty.
 
MUW4Eva said:
Nope not trolling at all in the slightest.

There is nothing at all to suggest or support the notion that this season Liverpool will finish in the top 4, nothing at all.
They are closer to the relegation zone, then a top 4 place currently, and that is no great surprise, as their team/squad is miles away from being a top 4 one.

We will finish at least 20 points if not more ahead of Liverpool this season.
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Fair play to this guy, but he's not far off at the moment.
 
Edwards6 said:
Don't agree with Neville about FFP, he thinks owners should be able to invest whatever they want but what about the clubs being stable long term? If owners bring in players on massive contracts higher than club revenue what happens if the owner decides to stop investing or walk away.
He also says FFP stops clubs like Brentford and Brighton going up the leagues but these clubs are proving you can do it if the club is run well.
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He was talking for what felt like 15 mins on the subject and basically made zero points and was arguing against a supposed rule that doesn’t exist.
He kept saying he doesn’t like ffp because it stops a club spending.
But it fecking doesn’t, hence why Salford have been able to get promoted numerous times.
like a lot of people he is incapable of seeing that ffp does not actually prevent large investment at a smaller club, it simply reigns it in a little and stops clubs feigning their accounts.
You’d think the success of chelsea, city, psg and his Salford shows that you can literally buy success and not fail ffp. Just don’t cheat it’s simple.
 
Ludens the Red said:
He was talking for what felt like 15 mins on the subject and basically made zero points and was arguing against a supposed rule that doesn’t exist.
He kept saying he doesn’t like ffp because it stops a club spending.
But it fecking doesn’t, hence why Salford have been able to get promoted numerous times.
like a lot of people he is incapable of seeing that ffp does not actually prevent large investment at a smaller club, it simply reigns it in a little and stops clubs feigning their accounts.
You’d think the success of chelsea, city, psg and his Salford shows that you can literally buy success and not fail ffp. Just don’t cheat it’s simple.
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Exactly, as long clubs are spending wisely FFP doesn't stop you being successful
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
That City fan is such an insufferable cnut.
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The worst. Can’t just answer a question without a ramble that makes no sense. Would have so much respect if one their fans just said ‘I’m fecking livid with the club if this is true’.
 
The stuff about how Utd shouldn’t play possession based football is such nonsense. For someone that fancies himself as intelligent, he really can be pretty dumb at times.
 
BluesJr said:
The stuff about how Utd shouldn’t play possession based football is such nonsense. For someone that fancies himself as intelligent, he really can be pretty dumb at times.
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Did you listen to the whole thing Gary said? He just said he doesn't want possession for possession sake, just passing is around your CBs for ages or zombie passing like in the LVG era.
 
Amarsdd said:
Did you listen to the whole thing Gary said? He just said he doesn't want possession for possession sake, just passing is around your CBs for ages or zombie passing like in the LVG era.
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That isn’t what he said though. He said he doesn’t want us to be like Man City and that he’s happy if for the next 20 years we go away to big clubs and play counter attack.

I’m sorry but that is a hilariously bad take.
 
BluesJr said:
That isn’t what he said though. He said he doesn’t want us to be like Man City and that he’s happy if for the next 20 years we go away to big clubs and play counter attack.

I’m sorry but that is a hilariously bad take.
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You are changing your initial point and also misrepresenting what Gary said. First of all, you were saying Gary doesn't want United to play possession football at all, and now you've changed that up. And secondly, he said, I'm paraphrasing "I don't want United playing 8 million passes between the CBs and the midfield, I don't want see what Man City were doing last week (against Spurs) and not finding Halaand". He's just saying he doesn't mind seeing counter attacking football in big away games if it requires it instead of being a team that does the first two things I mentioned.
 
Amarsdd said:
You are changing your initial point and also misrepresenting what Gary said. First of all, you were saying Gary doesn't want United to play possession football at all, and now you've changed that up. And secondly, he said, I'm paraphrasing "I don't want United playing 8 million passes between the CBs and the midfield, I don't want see what Man City were doing last week (against Spurs) and not finding Halaand". He's just saying he doesn't mind seeing counter attacking football in big away games if it requires it instead of being a team that does the first two things I mentioned.
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His entire point is that he doesn’t want to see us become a team that goes away to another big team and dominate the ball because “we’ve never done it”.

He wants us to play counter attack and thinks we shouldn’t wander from that identity. Which I think is very damaging mindset. I would urge anyone reading this to watch that part of the show.
 
Neville pissed me off with this. Not a word on City potentially cheating the opposition. Just basically more of Neville proving he doesn’t have a pro United agenda. Cnut.
 
BluesJr said:
His entire point is that he doesn’t want to see us become a team that goes away to another big team and dominate the ball because “we’ve never done it”.

He wants us to play counter attack and thinks we shouldn’t wander from that identity. Which I think is very damaging mindset. I would urge anyone reading this to watch that part of the show.
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Come on dude, he's saying that in the "instead of" context clearly.
 
Amarsdd said:
Come on dude, he's saying that in the "instead of" context clearly.
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The point came about because the suggestion was Ten Hag will get this team to play more like Ajax eventually, with total control.

Neville was pushing back on that majorly. Damaging.
 
BluesJr said:
The point came about because the suggestion was Ten Hag will get this team to play more like Ajax eventually, with total control.

Neville was pushing back on that majorly. Damaging.
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haha ok.
 
You can really hear the Cork coming through when he gets involved in casual chat
 
Top lad. Not sure if he has any good relationship with Mason Greenwood but I really hope that he can be a mentor and good influence with him both in football and life.
 
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