Gary Neville - Pundit

shahzy said:
Jamie Carragher has been a miles better commentator and I preferred him over Neville even before half the people on here turned against him. Never liked Neville.
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This is the sad truth. Carragher manages to be impartial and is usually more positive about United than Neville! Nev has been trying so hard for so many years now to appear impartial. Just give it up.
 
The real Gary Neville is the one they show footage of when we score/concede. You can tell by his reaction he's still a red.

He may be so used to the way things were when he was playing that he's negative about it all. He has an idea of how the club should be run due to his time under SAF and he just doesn't accept less I guess...

Keane is the same. He bashes United from time to time but you can tell he's still a fan.

Just look at this forum. Everyone constantly complains but are still fans.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
The real Gary Neville is the one they show footage of when we score/concede. You can tell by his reaction he's still a red.

He may be so used to the way things were when he was playing that he's negative about it all. He has an idea of how the club should be run due to his time under SAF and he just doesn't accept less I guess...

Keane is the same. He bashes United from time to time but you can tell he's still a fan.

Just look at this forum. Everyone constantly complains but are still fans.
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Weirdly Keane has seemed more positive about united lately than Neville. He said we were the second best team in the league the other day, whereas Neville doesn’t even seem to think we’re the third best team.
 
Posh Red said:
Weirdly Keane has seemed more positive about united lately than Neville. He said we were the second best team in the league the other day, whereas Neville doesn’t even seem to think we’re the third best team.
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Yes he does.

He's said we'll definitely finish in the top 3 (at 51 seconds).

 
Posh Red said:
Fair enough. Wonder why he said it was so bizarre for us to be third then
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Because in any other season, a team in the top 3 would need to look 'good' for about 90% of minutes played. But United have only really managed that for about 70% of minutes played.

Based on the ups and downs of our performances, it's difficult to reconcile that without needing to double check the table.
 
I understand where you are coming from, but I think you are taking it too personally.

When Nev was playing for us he was seen as the epitome of a one club man, even more so than Giggs and Scholes. He was actively loathed in some quarters and his famous celebration of a late winner in front of Liverpool fans defined him as a dyed in the wool red. He only had to step on a football pitch to have vitriol aimed in his general direction.

I have absolutely no doubt that he still loves the club but he has had no choice other than to reinvent himself. If Gary defended the United to the hilt then he would be conforming to the stereotype. He's actually shown a great deal of class and professionalism in how he has gone about his punditry, and it has actually made me respect him even more than I did when he was a player.
 
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Neville used to tell like it was, but he now has his own agenda(s). He is the typical Champagne Socialist making comments about the Government and the policies of the Tories which is fine if he came to with other solutions to the issues he brings up. As for the football, the Carra and Gary show won’t last much longer as it’s getting tired and predictable but then I don’t watch it that often. He cannot possibly be impartial given his background and career but he tries his best. I don’t know if the club feed him stuff or he relies on Chinese whispers.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Doesn't he back Ole to the hilt? To the point where some posters on here a few weeks ago said he was too biased towards Ole and call him out on not speaking out about poor performances.

Also his Twitter feed definitely indicates his pro-United bias whenever we play and he's not covering the match.
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well yeah, oddly enough there are contradictions in his views but I don’t think “posters on here...” really counts for much. it’s not so much his views, per se, but his delivery and timing and what appears to be his targeted reaction

i don’t do Twitter unless it’s a reference worth following up but again, I can see what you’re saying, in that when not “on duty” he perhaps shows his colours. It would be hard not to, considering his history. Tbh, I’ve just become a bit sick of hearing “Gary Neville says...” and don’t take much notice of it. He just lost a bit of credibility for me. Shame really, as he is clearly quite bright and does make some good points.
 
LDUred said:
I understand where you are coming from, but I think you are taking it too personally.

When Nev was playing for us he was seen as the epitome of a one club man, even more so than Giggs and Scholes. He was actively loathed in some quarters and his famous celebration of a late winner in front of Liverpool fans defined him as a dyed in the wool red. He only had to step on a football pitch to have vitriol aimed in his general direction.

I have absolutely no doubt that he still loves the club but he has had no choice other than to reinvent himself. If Gary defended the United to the hilt then he would be conforming to the stereotype. He's actually shown a great deal of class and professionalism in how he has gone about his punditry, and it has actually made me respect him even more than I did when he was a player.
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Fully agree with this
 
Offsideagain said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Neville used to tell like it was, but he now has his own agenda(s). He is the typical Champagne Socialist making comments about the Government and the policies of the Tories which is fine if he came to with other solutions to the issues he brings up. As for the football, the Carra and Gary show won’t last much longer as it’s getting tired and predictable but then I don’t watch it that often. He cannot possibly be impartial given his background and career but he tries his best. I don’t know if the club feed him stuff or he relies on Chinese whispers.
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My problems with him are his excessive criticism of United.

What comments has he made that make you label him a "typical champagne socialist"?
 
Offsideagain said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Neville used to tell like it was, but he now has his own agenda(s). He is the typical Champagne Socialist making comments about the Government and the policies of the Tories which is fine if he came to with other solutions to the issues he brings up.
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"Champagne Socialist" was also tag aimed at Fergie as well. In fairness, Neville just literally complimented Richard Tice, not much of a socialist there. If anything his criticisms towards the Tory government have been motivated by his capitalist desire.

Denis' cuff said:
i don’t do Twitter unless it’s a reference worth following up but again, I can see what you’re saying, in that when not “on duty” he perhaps shows his colours. It would be hard not to, considering his history. Tbh, I’ve just become a bit sick of hearing “Gary Neville says...” and don’t take much notice of it. He just lost a bit of credibility for me. Shame really, as he is clearly quite bright and does make some good points.
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I agree with your last point, we definitely shouldn't take "Gary Neville says..." as gospel. This thread in itself is an example of that, did we have a similar for all the criticism Evra laid rightly on us earlier? I think perhaps the issue is we expect too much from him when in reality he is just a fan and I've always thought his biases come to the fore. Problem is people expect him to be either too biased or not biased enough.
 
Ergh, championing Richard fecking Tice on Twitter. He’s half way to going full Le Tissier, who was let go from Sky for being a ticking time bomb.
 
In his attempt to be impartial he does come out with some rubbish.

I wish they'd just act more like humans are show their true colours, that being Red in this case.
 
I like Gary, and for most parts I agree with him. And yes, it's bizarre we're third given some of start to the season and some of our performances. It's only recently we've started to come properly together and began looking like a proper team. Long may it continue.
 
Jamie Shawcross said:
As a die hard United fan, I obviously have loads of time for ex players but I have run out of patience with Gary Neville. When he first burst onto the punditry scene he tried too hard with his impartiality and quickly just turned into someone who constantly stuck the knife into us at every given opportunity. I used to think "calm down Gary, we get it you can't be biased" but the thing is, it seems to be getting worse as time goes on. Everything that seems to come from the guy regarding our club is negative, always wanting to level us when things seem to be going alright. His latest article on sky sports news about it being "bizarre" that we are third is just the straw that's broken the camels back for me. Why is it bizzare? One minute the table doesn't lie, next minute he's perplexed as to how we are third. Its the results Gary, the points tally. He always seems to want to knock us down a peg. Am I barking up the wrong tree here or what? Can't remember the last time he said something that showed his love for the club. Perhaps he's bitter because the super sub is doing a decent job at a big club whilst he nearly sent Valencia down.

Maybe I am overthinking it, but its one thing after the next with him. It hurts.
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i haven't read his sky sports article, but i can see where he's coming from, a team who wins their game in hand that would see them go 2nd in the Prem used to be a very good outfit, , we're still miles off of that, there are a lot of dicks out at the moment, but for me, i'm keeping mine in my pants as we're still a house of cards, things still don't feel like they used to, we could go on a losing run starting tomorrow and i wouldn't be surprised one bit.
 
TMDaines said:
Ergh, championing Richard fecking Tice on Twitter. He’s half way to going full Le Tissier, who was let go from Sky for being a ticking time bomb.
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I agree, the anti-covid tripe he RT's is running close to the line on Twitter, I'd be surprised if Sky don't warn him to tone it down a little
 
I like the combo with Neville and Carragher. I thin they are match made in heaven.

People need to relax. It is natural that when you are fan you have to be little more overcritical of your team. As a expert or commentator. Because other people would always say "he says that because he is former player and ManUtd supporter". Ask what Liverpool fans think of Jamie Carragher? Exaclty the same. They think he hates them.
 
90 + 5min said:
I like the combo with Neville and Carragher. I think they are match made in heaven.

People need to relax. It is natural that when you are fan you have to be little more overcritical of your team. As a expert or commentator. Because other people would always say "he says that because he is former player and ManUtd supporter". Ask what Liverpool fans think of Jamie Carragher? Exaclty the same. They think he hates them.
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Hell, surely ?
 
UnitedSofa said:
I agree, the anti-covid tripe he RT's is running close to the line on Twitter, I'd be surprised if Sky don't warn him to tone it down a little
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I don't twitter. What anti-covid tripe is that? I have heard him question the balance of some measures, is it more than that?
 
Flying high said:
I don't twitter. What anti-covid tripe is that? I have heard him question the balance of some measures, is it more than that?
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He's definitely not anti-Covid, arguably more anti-Government's handling of the entire situation. Which considering how badly we have done is fair enough. He just liked this tweet by Piers Moron, suggesting he lies the blame firmly at the government for their lack of support for businesses as well:

 
FlawlessThaw said:
He's definitely not anti-Covid, arguably more anti-Government's handling of the entire situation. Which considering how badly we have done is fair enough. He just liked this tweet by Piers Moron, suggesting he lies the blame firmly at the government for their lack of support for businesses as well:

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Ok on second look, I've got confused and his RT's are more on the business side of things more than they are anti-covid.
 
He has shown his true colours over covid when his main concern is how much money he is losing through the lockdowns as opposed to people losing their lives.

Now he is backing Tice just further proves what a snide nasty creature he really is.
 
All these ex United Liverpool players are half witted, brain dead types who are only there on tv because of their connections with their respective ex clubs. They are not the brainy or analytical, they talk in superlatives and try too hard to appear neutral. I call them leeches. Especially Neville brothers, Carragher and Evra.
 
Jibbs said:
All these ex United Liverpool players are half witted, brain dead types who are only there on tv because of their connections with their respective ex clubs. They are not the brainy or analytical, they talk in superlatives and try too hard to appear neutral. I call them leeches. Especially Neville brothers, Carragher and Evra.
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Would they be brainy or analytical if they said things you agreed with?
 
FlawlessThaw said:
He's definitely not anti-Covid, arguably more anti-Government's handling of the entire situation. Which considering how badly we have done is fair enough. He just liked this tweet by Piers Moron, suggesting he lies the blame firmly at the government for their lack of support for businesses as well:

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I'm not qualified enough to blame UK government and praise Aussie government (or vice-versa) because I don't know a lot about them. But as stupid as I am, I know that the COVID-19 mutation which caused it to be around 70% more infectious was found in the UK, almost by the end of the year. If Piers (and perhaps Gary??) is sad that he can't celebrate New Year the way he wants then blame the virus for mutating the way it did.
 
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Seeing this discussion about the UK govt's handling of COVID makes my head shake, nothing compares to the absolute tragedy that has unfolded and is still unfolding in the US. Orders of magnitude worse.
 
sport2793 said:
Seeing this discussion about the UK govt's handling of COVID makes my head shake, nothing compares to the absolute tragedy that has unfolded and is still unfolding in the US. Orders of magnitude worse.
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It is horrendous but sadly what you would expect with someone like Trump in charge and the effect he has on his supporters.
 
Gary is eager to be of importance - mostly well intended. I believe he is better suited as an agitated pundit than a part of management with executive duties. He must be a favourite among kneejerk "I-have-higher-standards-than-you" fans. He is still a legend for the way he applied himself as a player. Doesn't mean he is capable of getting a group of players to perform as a unit in this age.

I don't get the thrill of taking a ride on the negativity rollercoaster with my favourite team. I reserve that for international and recent American politics.
 
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Stack said:
Would they be brainy or analytical if they said things you agreed with?
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Exactly.

Neville especially, comes across as reasonably intelligent to me, I’ve no idea whether he is or isn’t and I suspect the poster you’re replying to doesn’t know either.
 
His way of showing love is by criticism. It shows he cares about the club. He's a perfectionist.
 
tenpoless said:
I'm not qualified enough to blame UK government and praise Aussie government (or vice-versa) because I don't know a lot about them. But as stupid as I am, I know that the COVID-19 mutation which caused it to be around 70% more infectious was found in the UK, almost by the end of the year. If Piers (and perhaps Gary??) is sad that he can't celebrate New Year the way he wants then blame the virus for mutating the way it did.
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I think there was a problem before it mutated. The govt in the uk has been inept enough but the natives have, if anything, been worse with their lack of co-operation. The Australian govt have been outstanding in their leadership and apart from a couple of comparative, minor, slip-ups, the natives have complied admirably.
 
Relevated said:
His way of showing love is by criticism. It shows he cares about the club. He's a perfectionist.
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Exactly this. He’s frustrated because the team he loves have been shite for the best part of 8 years whilst the two he hates he has to watch and praise every week. He’s more positive about us than 90% of this sodding forum ffs. And he’s right about the board - they have been incompetent. Thankfully now things are looking up.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
"Champagne Socialist" was also tag aimed at Fergie as well. In fairness, Neville just literally complimented Richard Tice, not much of a socialist there. If anything his criticisms towards the Tory government have been motivated by his capitalist desire.



I agree with your last point, we definitely shouldn't take "Gary Neville says..." as gospel. This thread in itself is an example of that, did we have a similar for all the criticism Evra laid rightly on us earlier? I think perhaps the issue is we expect too much from him when in reality he is just a fan and I've always thought his biases come to the fore. Problem is people expect him to be either too biased or not biased enough.
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and likewise, your last point. Although people will diversify in the extreme, online, Gary does tend to swing one way and then the other with zero self-awareness.
 
tenpoless said:
I'm not qualified enough to blame UK government and praise Aussie government (or vice-versa) because I don't know a lot about them. But as stupid as I am, I know that the COVID-19 mutation which caused it to be around 70% more infectious was found in the UK, almost by the end of the year. If Piers (and perhaps Gary??) is sad that he can't celebrate New Year the way he wants then blame the virus for mutating the way it did.
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They're both just sticking the boot into the government where possible due to how poorly things have been handled. You're forgetting that Neville owns a football club and a hotel that currently aren't making any money because the government has decided that events and hospitality aren't something that should be supported during the pandemic.

He also Tweeted the other week about the lack of comms from the government to the hospitality sector regarding tiers. He had all his staff in the hotel, ordered and stocked food ready to reopen as it takes a couple of days to prepare for guests etc. Then they were told the day or so before that Manchester would be in tier 3, meaning everything went to waste.

I don't think he or Piers Morgan really give a shit about news years, to be honest.
 
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