The more I see it the more I think he's lucky he didn't get red when the ref went over
Shaw's studs went into the player's ankle.
And while I think Shaw probably got a touch on the ball, I wouldn't bet my mortgage that it wasn't a touch from the Burnley player's left boot instead.
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Too right his comments enable the ABU's out there to propagate their conspiracy theory's.
If he gave a goal var wouldn't overule, but because he gave the fk var wouldn't over rule that either.
If that's a red then the game is finished as a sport.
The follow through is a totally normal movement of the leg after it made contact with the ball. The ref didn't want to send the player off so this was a way to get the easy way out. But the Maguire goal was a absolute madness from the ref.
Neville was gitty as feck after the match in a interview. He was clearly looking forward to Sunday.
I watched 4 minutes of the var from different highlights and he said it once on one of the first viewings so you’re saying he then said it 11 more times (dozen) in the 2:00 minutes I’m missing, which seems highly unlikely.
Nor did he whisper, he said it quite clearly, I didnt need my volume cranked up to hear it. All seems a bit crazy that people are losing their shit over Neville not seeing the touch on the ball and then calling it when he did
If you want to talk about building a narrative you might want to start at your posts first
He didn't though... He said Shaw might have been sent off. He never definitively said it was a red.
He also said Maguire might have handled it (because at first looked like he might have) and then went on to say it looks like he didn't...
Didn't pogba get sent of for similar against arsenal a couple of years ago?
I just wouldn't have been surprised if the var ref deemed that follow through dangerous. Wouldnt have been in 100 percent agreement but not surprised
Highlights.
He definitely didn't say it once or twice like you said. I haven't counted it but he definitely said it more than that. The thing is you just won't accept what actually happened ie. that Neville said Shaw missed the ball many times, so you can't even continue a discussion at that point. All because you watched highlights, not even the actual match.
Because there's a huge difference between saying something once and the opposite many times.
Even your comment about narratives completely misses the point. Neville is talking on a national level, with a significant influence. I'm posting on a forum where I'm entirely forgettable.
And I'm not "losing my shit". This is a thread about Neville's apparent bias again United (which I just think is an exaggerated effort to appear impartial), so I'm going to talk about Neville in this thread.
How many times did he say he didn't touch the ball when he clearly did? It was over and over again every time they showed the incident and it was clear that as day that the ball had been touched.
Correct by the time it was over I was shouting at the tv as he was so biased against us so as to appear nonbiased for us.
No he stamped on a players leg while he was on the floor. I totally agree that that one was a red.
What, his poxy man city like money team didnt bleeding score till at least 8.47pm, he was slating and demanding red for shaw 25/30 mins before hand, he was called out and all the clown is doing is trying to limited the flak he was taken for it with that tweet.
Was defo more than a couple times
Excuse my boy complaining about neville with me
A quote posted by MEN https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-luke-shaw-var-19613858
I've gone and looked at the quotes posted online and found what I was looking for on MEN. He says that he is lucky not to be shown a red card. That is not might have got a red talk but should have got a red card talk.
It's not though... I personally don't think it was a red card but I do think, in today's VAR climate he can count himself a little lucky he didn't get a red card. If the ref had pulled out a red after watching it in slow motion over and over again I would have been annoyed but I wouldn't have been shocked.
haha what influence! You baffled me with “damage was done” earlier, what damage! No one else will of cared apart from a handful of fragile caf members getting all up in arms because Gary dare see something incorrectly...which very much more importantly he goes on to correct, absolutely no damage was done, it’s not like the ref was listening in to him.
Let’s meet in the middle with 4 which seems possible, my mate says he watched and it’s mentioned 3 times in one viewing of the highlight. So on his first glance he makes a wrong call and then at the end says shaw got a toe to the ball, would you like him to mention that he won the ball an equal amount of times to make it ok? And on top of all this, like you also mentioned, he apologised for poor commentary so what more could he of done haha
Honestly don't worry about it. Let's leave it there.
You sound unhinged haha
You’ve made a wise move
I get emotional watching my team play sue me.
I don't dislike GNev he was actually one of my favourite players it just winds me up when he comes out with something like this and he does it all too often.
Okay haha
I actually think a red for that would have been a shocking decision. If he had missed the ball like Neville kept saying then yeah maybe he could have been sent off but with touching the ball and the minimal contact it was never a red for me.
There isn’t a commentator out there that doesn’t get the odd thing wrong, I was too busy watching events to care what Gary said, most the time I enjoy his commentary as he gives a good insight in to what might be going through a players mind
But this idea he is anti United in commentary is absurd, he calls things in real time, he’ll not stop to think “ooo this is a good chance to show I’m non biased” , I don’t understand why he would have to, he’s got the job and he isn’t going anywhere so I very much doubt he has any agenda
If anything he is very pro United in his post match
Agree with this Annihilate. Another ref could easily have gave a red
I’ve no problem with him pal
He said both managers would be really happy with the outcome because they both could have lost a man. A lot of people only think it might have been a red because Gary said so. Its a bit of a chicken and the egg situatuon.
He was shitting himself all game, constantly expecting the worst for us as a nervous fan
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Neville did say he doesn't touch the ball a few times because I was bloody shouting at the tv he did get a touch it was shown a lot of times and your right GN did say it more than twice if not 3 or 4. But VAR in my opinion got it right, follow through nowadays it's a foul. Never mind 3pts
must have said it a dozen times. Like you, I was shouting at the TV.
Touching the ball is largely irrelevant these days though... And we've seen reds for less.
You think? I dunno, I think people generally come to their own conclusion on these things... Plus with it being United I'd say people are more likely to think he should have been sent off regardless of what Neville says.
But then I generally don't think commentators have as huge an influence on people's opinions oh the game then others clearly do.
I fully agree it was the right conclusion. It's Neville we're talking about here.
And I think the fact he himself has apologised shows that people were right to be annoyed.
The video doesn't show the part where the Burnley player rolls on the floor, in so much pain, clutching his left knee after Shaw went studs up well below the right knee
Those of you questioning Neville's commentary yesterday surrounding the red card are aware that Neville can hear the conversation between the ref and VAR right? And you did hear that in the studio afterwards they said that VAR decided IN THE END that the challenge didn't have enough force behind it to be deemed a red card challenge, but they were seriously debating whether or not to send Shaw off. That's all Neville could hear in his ear, while watching a reply on a tiny screen, in a gantry.
I can't even tell you how many things I've half seen something at a live match. Lockdown is really getting to some of you.
I can't even tell you how many things I've half seen something at a live match. Lockdown is really getting to some of you.
Sorry that post wasn't meant for you, I just wanted to quote the video you shared.
Richards has been a good pundit towards United recently. Quite surprising given his City connections.
Jamie's memory is very good.
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For all the nonsense he spouts I thought he made a good point yesterday that we were playing against this iteration of Pool reputation rather than the side during the second half yesterday.
We came out of the game having created the better chances by some distance but O think we could have got more with some composure in the final pass etc.
We came out of the game having created the better chances by some distance but O think we could have got more with some composure in the final pass etc.
He’s at it again!